...beautiful, my beautiful... Chinese Spy Balloon!!!ããSo this morning I am watching the local news (NBC affiliate), and theyãmention that a UFO was sighted over Montana and US officials had determinedãit was a spy balloon, likely from China. Apparently it wafted across theãUS-Canadian border sometime mid-week.ããThey also said that the decision on what to do about it went all the way upãto President Biden, who said we couldn't shoot it down because it might "fallãand hurt someone."ããNow, Montana is a very large and very sparsely populated state. Some ofãthe states it would have had to have crossed through to get to its currentãposition (apparently over Kansas City, MO) are also very sparselyãpopulated. Plenty of opportunity to shoot it down and have it likely notãfall on anything, except a corn field or a former government missle siloãsite.ããNow that they've waited until it is over more populated areas, they are goingãto let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulfãor the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.ããSo, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give theãChinese government something to look at. :(ããOur government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did rightãbefore 9/11.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * His mind is not for rent / To any god or governmentãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Fri Feb 03 2023 03:59 pmãã > going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches theã > Gulfã > or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.ã >ã > So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give theã > Chinese government something to look at. :(ã >ã > Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did rightã > before 9/11.ã >ããexactly. very pathetic.ããtoo bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-ãã > going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches theã > Gulfã > or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.ã >ã > So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give theã > Chinese government something to look at. :(ã >ã > Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did rightã > before 9/11.ãã MR> exactly. very pathetic.ã MR> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ããCan you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet ãaltitude? Thanks.ããOh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ãããã... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pmãã MR>> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ãã Ga> Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet ã Ga> altitude? Thanks.ãã Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ããYour local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Fri Feb 03 2023 03:59 pmãã > ...beautiful, my beautiful... Chinese Spy Balloon!!!ã > ã > So this morning I am watching the local news (NBC affiliate), and theyã > mention that a UFO was sighted over Montana and US officials had determinedã > it was a spy balloon, likely from China. Apparently it wafted across theã > US-Canadian border sometime mid-week.ã > ã > They also said that the decision on what to do about it went all the way upã > to President Biden, who said we couldn't shoot it down because it might "falã > and hurt someone."ã > ã > Now, Montana is a very large and very sparsely populated state. Some ofã > the states it would have had to have crossed through to get to its currentã > position (apparently over Kansas City, MO) are also very sparselyã > populated. Plenty of opportunity to shoot it down and have it likely notã > fall on anything, except a corn field or a former government missle siloã > site.ã > ã > Now that they've waited until it is over more populated areas, they are goinã > to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches the Gulfã > or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.ã > ã > So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give theã > Chinese government something to look at. :(ã > ã > Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did rightã > before 9/11.ã > ã > ã > * SLMR 2.1a * His mind is not for rent / To any god or governmentã > ãI get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries. ãIt's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satelliteãsurviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is aãweather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-ãã MR>> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ãã Ga> Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feetã Ga> altitude? Thanks.ãã Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ãã Ni> Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ããYou'd think they would, but maybe they've had a rush on these lately, ãwith all the folks wanting to be the hero who takes this thing down.ããI think it's pretty hard to find one with the Piercer accessory, though. ã;-)ãããã... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 04 2023 03:15 amãã >ã > I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries.ã > It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good ofã > satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claimã > it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.ããmaybe it's a way to test us. we showed them that we let it cross the entire united states until shooting it down on the east coast when it was finished.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pmãã > -=> MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-ã > ã > > going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches ã > > Gulfã > > or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.ã > >ã > > So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give theã > > Chinese government something to look at. :(ã > >ã > > Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did rightã > > before 9/11.ã > ã > MR> exactly. very pathetic.ã > MR> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã > ã > Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feetã > altitude? Thanks.ã > ã > Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã > ã > ã > ã > ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.ããCommercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding operation range. ãhy are restricted in speed and altitude. They don't want home brew guidedãmnissiles.ã20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build a cruise ãmissile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't taken very seriously. Heãstarted a build log, leaving out technical stuff to a minimum. When heãscheduled a flightplan with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took himãseriously. And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he wasãrestricted in selling certain technology to customers in the Middle East. Inãorder to function with commercial GPS chips, he kept his flight plan toãlower altitudes and lower speeds. In stead of making a mach 4 missile heãmade a WWII style pulse jet similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along atã300-400 mph and fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitudeãobject avoidance, fly below radar.)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã > By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pmã > ã > MR>> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã > ã > Ga> Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feetã > Ga> altitude? Thanks.ã > ã > Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã > ã > Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ãCiviliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. The govã't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countries.ã> It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satelliteã> surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is aã> weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.ããIf you are able to fly balloons over your target, and nothing happens, whyãwaste money to launch a satellite? I have heard the weather balloon claimãas well as that it might have been launched by a non-government entity but,ãyeah, no one believes that.ããThere are supposedly now two of them.ããThe weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in.ãMakes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was onlyãexposed because civilians noticed it this time.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * Do ministers do more than lay people?ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ãã> Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ããIt would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring itãdown safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyãequipment. :Dããã * SLMR 2.1a * Those who live by the sword... kill those who don't.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2023 12:20 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pmã >ã > > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã > > By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pmã >ã > > MR>> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã >ã > > Ga> Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000ã > > Ga> feet altitude? Thanks.ã >ã > > Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ãããoh i see my buddy gamgee who i block is replying to me.ãI'm sure the govt has drones that can fly that high. also the altitudeãfrom the balloon was changing. the govt certainly has unmanned aircraft that can intercept a balloon the size of 3 school buses.ããBALLOON SO HARD! SO HARD TO GET BALLOON!ããi can tell you voted for biden, gamgee.ãã > Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. Theã > gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.ããpeople could see the huge balloon. it was also somewhat manuverable.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:58 amãã > > Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã >ã > > Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ã >ã > It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring itã > down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyã > equipment. :Dã >ããhonestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.ãjust for laughs.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-ãã > MR> exactly. very pathetic.ã > MR> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ãã > Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feetã > altitude? Thanks.ã >ã > Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ãã Mo> Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regardingã Mo> operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. Theyã Mo> don't want home brew guided mnissiles.ã Mo> 20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to buildã Mo> a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn'tã Mo> taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving outã Mo> technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplanã Mo> with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.ã Mo> And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he wasã Mo> restricted in selling certain technology to customers in theã Mo> Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, heã Mo> kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. Inã Mo> stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jetã Mo> similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph andã Mo> fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude objectã Mo> avoidance, fly below radar.)ããCool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under ãdiscussion..., but still cool.ãããã... Diplomacy is saying 'Nice Doggy' until you find a rock.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring itã> > down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyã> > equipment. :Dãã> honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.ã> just for laughs.ããIf someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, itãwould probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise meãif he doesn't figure out how to do it.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * On the other hand, you have different fingers.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic underã> discussion..., but still cool.ããUsing non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how I thinkãwe got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * /////////// POLICE TAGLINE - DO NOT CROSS \\\\\\\\\\\\\ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 09:57 amãã > > > It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bringã > > > it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyã > > > equipment. :Dã >ã > > honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.ã > > just for laughs.ã >ã > If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, itã > would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise meã > if he doesn't figure out how to do it.ã >ããit's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's not impossible to take down.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-ãã > Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic underã > discussion..., but still cool.ãã DW> Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was howã DW> I think we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.ããYes, maybe that was the angle. I thought it was more about how to get a ãnon-government aircraft/device up to the balloon, which was at 60,000+ ãfeet of altitude. There aren't many (any?) planes that can fly that ãhigh, and the original "idea" was to use a "drone"... ;-)ãããã... Diplomacy is saying 'Nice Doggy' until you find a rock.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-ãã > > > It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bringã > > > it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyã > > > equipment. :Dãã > > honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.ã > > just for laughs.ãã > If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, itã > would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise meã > if he doesn't figure out how to do it.ãã MR> it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govtã MR> actions, it's not impossible to take down.ããAgain I ask - what hobby/non-govt equipment can get up to 60000+ feet, ãand then take it down?ãããã... Just because it's dead doesn't mean it can't move.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 02:36 pmãã > Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã > By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 04 2023 03:15 amã > ã > >ã > > I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countriã > > It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good ofã > > satellite surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claiã > > it is a weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.ã > ã > maybe it's a way to test us. we showed them that we let it cross the entireããIt's route was over a bunch of sites they could easily keep track of withãsatellite. A ballon would take weeks to get here over the North Pole andãCanada so if they wanted to catch or observe something special, they wouldãhave to have ample time to know what and where to look for. It was left upãthere to draw attention to the antics of the Chinese government. Any signalsãthat came from it could've been captured and decrypted by the CIA.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:13 amãã > > I get th impression it's being left up to draw attention of other countrieã > > It's like saying to the world thta China must not have that good of satellã > > surviellance if they rely on a big balloon.Of course, they claim it is aã > > weather balloon. No one believes that. Shame on China.ã > ã > If you are able to fly balloons over your target, and nothing happens, whyã > waste money to launch a satellite? I have heard the weather balloon claimã > as well as that it might have been launched by a non-government entity but,ã > yeah, no one believes that.ã > ã > There are supposedly now two of them.ã > ã > The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in.ã > Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was onlyã > exposed because civilians noticed it this time.ã > ã > ã > * SLMR 2.1a * Do ministers do more than lay people?ã > ããThe satellites already exist. The idea behind drones and recon aircraft isãto view events in real time. That is what is screwy behind using a balloon.ã It takes days if not weeks to float a ballon over the North Pole , and it'sãpath is victim to the weather patterns. You would have to know of an eventãwell before floating a ballon with intent to capture something you couldn'tãobserve using satellite.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:58 amãã > > Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã > ã > > Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)ã > ã > It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring itã > down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbyã > equipment. :Dã > ã > ã > * SLMR 2.1a * Those who live by the sword... kill those who don't.ã > ãThe ballon flew at 66,000 feet. Off the shelf GPS modules do not operate atãspeeds over 1000 knots and altitudes over 60,000 feet. You need a fighterãjet or a missile to intercept it.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 04:22 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Feb 04 2023 12:20 pmã > ã > > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > > By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pmã > >ã > > > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã > > > By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pmã > >ã > > > MR>> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã > >ã > > > Ga> Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000ã > > > Ga> feet altitude? Thanks.ã > >ã > > > Ga> Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã > ã > ã > oh i see my buddy gamgee who i block is replying to me.ã > I'm sure the govt has drones that can fly that high. also the altitudeã > from the balloon was changing. the govt certainly has unmanned aircraft thaã > ã > BALLOON SO HARD! SO HARD TO GET BALLOON!ã > ã > i can tell you voted for biden, gamgee.ã > ã > > Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. Thã > > gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.ã > ã > people could see the huge balloon. it was also somewhat manuverable.ããIt was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 feet aãnd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would haveãoperate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipmentãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 08:08 pmãã > -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-ã > ã > > MR> exactly. very pathetic.ã > > MR> too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.ã > ã > > Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feetã > > altitude? Thanks.ã > >ã > > Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.ã > ã > Mo> Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regardingã > Mo> operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. Theyã > Mo> don't want home brew guided mnissiles.ã > Mo> 20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to buildã > Mo> a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn'tã > Mo> taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving outã > Mo> technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplanã > Mo> with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.ã > Mo> And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he wasã > Mo> restricted in selling certain technology to customers in theã > Mo> Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, heã > Mo> kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. Inã > Mo> stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jetã > Mo> similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph andã > Mo> fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude objectã > Mo> avoidance, fly below radar.)ã > ã > Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic underã > discussion..., but still cool.ã > ã > ã > ã > ... Diplomacy is saying 'Nice Doggy' until you find a rock.ããIf a civillian wanted build a missile to shoot something like that down, itãwould have to travel at speeds less than 1000 knots and be guided in someãother way than GPS over 60,000 feet. 20 years ago a cruise missile could beãmade ofr $15,000. I imagine one could made for under $10kãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 11:25 amãã > It's route was over a bunch of sites they could easily keep track of withã > satellite. A ballon would take weeks to get here over the North Pole andã > Canada so if they wanted to catch or observe something special, they wouldã > have to have ample time to know what and where to look for. It was left upã > there to draw attention to the antics of the Chinese government. Anyã > signals that came from it could've been captured and decrypted by the CIA.ããThis very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhapsãthe sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 12:06 pmãã > It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 feetã > a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would haveã > operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipmentããthat's what we were told one time. this is not a normal balloon and it's possible for them to change the altitude apparently. they just can't go against the wind.ããif they wanted high-res imagery they could control the balloon and forced it to decend and then raise up. In this case, they would have better data than sattelite.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 05 2023 11:14 amãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 09:57 amã > ã > > > > It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot brinã > > > > it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobbã > > > > equipment. :Dã > >ã > > > honestly i was expecting elon musk to do something.ã > > > just for laughs.ã > >ã > > If someone had the tech to go up that high, grab it, and bring it back, iã > > would probably be him. Now that it has happened, it would not surprise mã > > if he doesn't figure out how to do it.ã > >ã > ã > it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it's noããThe US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studied itãa bunch while it wass trasmittingãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 04:53 pmãã >ã > > it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, it'sã > > noã >ã > The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studiedã > itã > a bunch while it wass trasmittingããthat's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:04 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 12:06 pmã > ã > > It was also at 66,000 feet. Non-military GPS limits altitude to 60,000 fã > > a nd speds under 1000 knots. Whatever you want to hit it with would haveã > > operate outside the bounds of commercial grade equipmentã > ã > that's what we were told one time. this is not a normal balloon and it's poã > ã > if they wanted high-res imagery they could control the balloon and forced itããIt was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, itãwill fly at one height.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhapsã> the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.ããWhere have they said it was manuverable? The path it took from China, overãAlaska, Canada, and the rest of the US follows the typical path of the jetãstream. It did not really deviate that much, if at all.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * WOW!... Short runway...but look how WIDE it is!!!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 09:46 amãã >ã > It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried, itã > will fly at one height.ããno it wasnt. information the chinese eluded to is that the balloon was somewhat manuverable.ããand it was not a plain old balloon. it was fucking huge.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 04:24 pmãã > > This very large balloon, manuverable with sensors. Perhapsã > > the sensors on the airship were more advanced than satellite tech.ã >ã > Where have they said it was manuverable? The path it took from China, overã > Alaska, Canada, and the rest of the US follows the typical path of the jetã > stream. It did not really deviate that much, if at all.ã >ããit's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.ããhere is what came up with one google searchãhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/ããFebruary 3, 2023 Suspected Chinese spy balloon flies ... - CNNhttps://www.cnn.com > politics > live-news > suspected-ch...ã3 days ago - Suspected surveillance balloon is maneuverable, according to Pentagon press secretary. From CNN's Haley BritzkyããWhat is the suspected Chinese spy balloon flying over ...https://nypost.com > 2023/02/03 > what-is-the-suspecte...ã3 days ago - The balloon is "maneuverable" and is capable of changing course, Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder revealed at a Pentagon press briefing Friday ...ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Feb 05 2023 10:03 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 04:53 pmã > ã > >ã > > > it's just a balloon that went up high. despite the us govt actions, iã > > > noã > >ã > > The US shot it down with a missile from an F-22. I'm sure the CIA studieã > > itã > > a bunch while it wass trasmittingã > ã > that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.ããThen the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan theãTaliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. Inãsome situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Moondog wrote to MRO <=-ãã > that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.ãã Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ããDo you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ãããã... All the easy problems have been solved.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

On 07 Feb 2023, Gamgee said the following...ã Ga> ã Ga> Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ã Ga> ã Ga> ããThey have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!ããIB JoeãAKA Joe SchweierãSysOp of Joe's BBSã-=JoesBBS.com=-ãã... Read messages, not taglinesãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)ã * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80ã

Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-ãã DW> The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in.ã DW> Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was onlyã DW> exposed because civilians noticed it this time.ãã3 times while Trump was president, apparently.ãããã... KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Feb 06 2023 04:06 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 09:46 amã > ã > >ã > > It was a plain old helium balloon. Depending on size and weight carried,ã > > will fly at one height.ã > ã > no it wasnt. information the chinese eluded to is that the balloon was somewã > ã > and it was not a plain old balloon. it was fucking huge.ããIt was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayed atã66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across the US,ãit was travelling passively along the jet stream currents.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:39 amãã > -=> Moondog wrote to MRO <=-ã > ã > > that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspaã > ã > Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã > Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã > Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã > Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ã > ã > Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ã > ã > ã > ã > ... All the easy problems have been solved.ããEven if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observersãand passers by several hundred yards from the device being dismantled. ãAssumming no one noticed this group of guys NODS with magnificationãrecording video, they would also require a clear line of sight to see whatãthe EOD guys are doing.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.ããI knew that. It did have what looked like solar panels but maybe theyãwere/were also sails that could be moved to cause it to change its courseãsomewhat.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * Hmmm, fence must still be down over at the funny farm....ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã> Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã> Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã> Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ãã> Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ããIf they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * I'm! A! Graduate! Of! The! Bill! Shatner! Acting! School!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 amãã > -=> Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-ã >ã > DW> The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sighted in.ã > DW> Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and it was onlyã > DW> exposed because civilians noticed it this time.ã >ã > 3 times while Trump was president, apparently.ããI just saw an article saying that was wrong and they retracted it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:56 pmãã > It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayedã > at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across theã > US,ããthey said it was around 50k in some locations.ãalso pentagon and other sources said its maneuverable.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 04:25 pmãã > > it's in a lot of articles. it's not a regular weather balloon.ã >ã > I knew that. It did have what looked like solar panels but maybe theyã > were/were also sails that could be moved to cause it to change its courseã > somewhat.ã >ããif it's imaging areas it probably had the ability to adjust vertically, as well.ããi just looked it up and this balloon was 200feet in height and was carring around 2,000lbs of payloadããThen they waited until it got 6 miles off our coast to shoot it down.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: IB Joe to Gamgee on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:57 amãã Ga>> Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ãã IJ> They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!ã ã There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and that the US Military still takes orders from him.ããSo, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?ããDaiTenguãã...She drowned at the end of her life.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 amãã DW>> The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sightedã DW>> in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and itã DW>> was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.ãã PF> 3 times while Trump was president, apparently.ãã And apparently they didn't realize it until well after the balloon had left our airspace.ããDaiTenguãã...As a boy, he swallowed a teaspoon. And he hasn't stirred since.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-ãã > > that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspaãã > Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã > Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã > Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã > Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ãã > Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ãã Mo> Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keepã Mo> observers and passers by several hundred yards from the deviceã Mo> being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guysã Mo> NODS with magnification recording video, they would also requireã Mo> a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.ããBut they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight). ãWhat you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that ãthey do things after dark to avoid being observed.ãããã... Press any key to continue or any other key to quitã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-ãã > Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã > Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã > Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã > Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ãã > DC> Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ãã DW> If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ããIndeed.ãããã... Chuck Norris can divide by zero.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:13 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã > By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:29 amã >ã > DW>> The weather has been very clear in some of the areas it was sightedã > DW>> in. Makes me wonder if it happens more often than we know, and itã > DW>> was only exposed because civilians noticed it this time.ã >ã > PF> 3 times while Trump was president, apparently.ã >ã > And apparently they didn't realize it until well after the balloon had leftã > our airspace.ã >ã > DaiTenguã >ããi dunno. do you really think that's so? it's not just the govt that could catch something like that. it's airports and civilians that could catch it also.ããi guess in the past they flew over small areas.ãthe media that is getting a boner about trump bashing is bloomberg and other trump haters.ããi dont think we ever had a godzilla balloon just map an entire stretch from coast to coast before.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

On 07 Feb 2023, DaiTengu said the following...ã Da> ã Da> There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" andã Da> that the US Military still takes orders from him.ã Da> ã Da> So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?ããNo... we need 4 years of Joe Biden to use as a foil for Trump's presidency... Trump as on record saying he wanted every nut and bolt out of that country before the military were to pull out.ããIB JoeãAKA Joe SchweierãSysOp of Joe's BBSã-=JoesBBS.com=-ãã... Consultant: A person who makes good on a salesman's promises!ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)ã * Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..ã By: MRO to DaiTengu on Tue Feb 07 2023 10:34 pmãã MR> i dunno. do you really think that's so? it's not just the govt that couldã MR> catch something like that. it's airports and civilians that could catch itã MR> also. ãã Yeah, there are a ton of pictures from this baloon. there's even home video of an F-22 firing a missile at it. ããMaybe the previous balloons were much smaller? ãã MR> i guess in the past they flew over small areas.ã MR> the media that is getting a boner about trump bashing is bloomberg andã MR> other trump haters.ãã Pretty sure I heard about it on BBC World News, which doesn't have much of a dog in the "bash Trump for more viewers" race. ãã MR> i dont think we ever had a godzilla balloon just map an entire stretchã MR> from coast to coast before.ãã All China had to do was ask someone, and they would have pointed them to Google Maps. This could all have been avoided. ããDaiTenguãã...Interchangeable parts won't.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Feb 07 2023 04:37 pmãã > > Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã > > Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã > > Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã > > Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ã > ã > > Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ã > ã > If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ã > ã > ã > * SLMR 2.1a * I'm! A! Graduate! Of! The! Bill! Shatner! Acting! School!ã > ãIf they're trying to be on the sly and and act like a like a local rubberãnecking a bomb scene, they'll look obvious wearing PVS-14'sãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:41 pmãã > Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã > By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:56 pmã > ã > > It was a big ass helium ballon the length of two buses. The ballon stayeã > > at 66k feet all through it's course. At the spped it travelled across thã > > US,ã > ã > they said it was around 50k in some locations.ã > also pentagon and other sources said its maneuverable.ããIt might've steerable by some means. Like any ship in the wind that abilityãto steer would be limitedãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:51 pmãã > -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-ã > ã > > > that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airã > ã > > Mo> Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. Inã > > Mo> Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study theã > > Mo> methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited untilã > > Mo> sundown to prevent from being observed.ã > ã > > Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?ã > ã > Mo> Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keepã > Mo> observers and passers by several hundred yards from the deviceã > Mo> being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guysã > Mo> NODS with magnification recording video, they would also requireã > Mo> a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.ã > ã > But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight).ã > What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea thatã > they do things after dark to avoid being observed.ã > ã > ã > ã > ... Press any key to continue or any other key to quitããIt' smore obvious they are not casual observers if they are wearing nightãvision or obvious camera equipment. They will have to position themselves inãa way to get a good picture or line of sight, exposing their intentions.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

if it's imaging areas it probably had the ability to adjust vertically, asãelããIf it was carrying a supply of helium, so that it could let some out andãthen reinflate, it could have.ãã> i just looked it up and this balloon was 200feet in height and was carringãroã> d 2,000lbs of payloadããIt was huge to be spotted by citizens when it was so high up.ãã> Then they waited until it got 6 miles off our coast to shoot it down.ããYep!ããã * SLMR 2.1a * 69, 714, 2112 Sex, drugs, rock'n'rollãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and thatãheã> S Military still takes orders from him.ããThere are? I have not heard that one. I did hear about the conspiractyãtheory that Trump and one (and only one!) Supreme Court Justice were goingãto pull some shennanigans and get him reinstated. That is not a right-wingãtheory, but a theory believed by those who are afraid it might happen.ãã> So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?ããNope.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * Explosion at the Mint. Change in staff.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-ãã DW> If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ããYou mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trumpãsigned before he left?ãããã... Define an area as 'safe' and use it as an anchorã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, inã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 09 2023 06:47 amãã > -=> Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-ã >ã > DW> If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ã >ã > You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trumpã > signed before he left?ããno because of biden leaving equipment and people there.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ãã> You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trumpã> signed before he left?ããIf you take over for someone, don't listen to those advising you and thenãhalf-ass the job, you can blame you predecessor but that doesn't make itãtheir fault.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * 9 out of 10 men who try camels prefer women.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.ã> >ã> > You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trumpã> > signed before he left?ãã> no because of biden leaving equipment and people there.ããThat, too.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * "Bother," said Pooh, as he bounced off the Starfury.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã