Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am

You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

"He doesn't understand!"

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Tue May 06 2025 07:43 pm

Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-

That is a very smart post from
you. It shows how important it
is
to
know that there are different
perspectives, not just the one
and
only truth. Unfortunately, not
many people are able to imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.

There are MANY perspectives and many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...

Hmm - I have to think about that one :D

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 07 2025 07:01 pm

Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.

rules are fine, if they make sense.

I just remember those 2 police officers jumping on an australian women because she wasn't wearing a mask in a park and they exposed her crotch (she had a dress on and they struggled with her and it was pulled up).

That shit makes me mad and i think mob rule should kick in at that
point and they should have got their asses beat severely.

also there's this shit where you can go to jail for saying something people don't like. like this one lady in the uk spoke out against immigrants when she read a story about a muslim immigrant killing 3
girls. was the story true? who knows. the media over there is more
fucked than the usa media.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/uk-woman-jailed-inciting-racial-hatre d-not-posting-hurtful-words-2024-10-29/

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That was one of many examples were the Police went and did the bidding
of the thug government leaders. Victoria, under the reign of that
scumbag Daniel Andrews saw situations were old ladies were pushed off
benches, women assaulted, rubber bullets fired against protesters and
pregnant woman having the police come to their home because of
facebook posts. We were locked down long, hard, mostly for no good
reason. We had curfews, under house arrest day after day, unable to
go outside more than an hour at a time, and not at all after 9PM on
some weeks. Melbourne can be quite Leftist, so there was support for
this from some of those circles.


As for the UK, I've seen a video were a man has *six* police officers
turn up to his house to arrest him in front of his family for saying
not-nice things about someone on social media. This is surely a joke,
right, but there is video evidence of similar things. Anectodal
claims could be dismissed, but VIDEO of UK police officers doing their politically motivated enforcement cannot be dismissed. The UK it
seems is an occupied country. A government that attacks and
threatents to jail its OWN people because they object to their
children getting killed is a hostile, treasonous occupation goverment.

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Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...

They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
incredible.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having a hopeful view that humanity can improve. And ehat do you mean by "they were so arrogant to think they could make work what has failed throughout history"? Star
Trek is fiction; nobody has actually made anything work.

Also, Star Trek isn't all like that. Deep Space 9, for instance, shows some of the corruption of people and doesn't portray the future in a totally perfect light.

Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).

Nightfox

Each generation seems to think that it has finally figured things out,
is somehow different from the previous one, is going to solve long
standing issues and rein in a new world order. This belief has been
the cause of oppression, censorship, cancellation and murder since
history began. The Hippies thought they were enlightened, that they
can reject the structure of the past, and forge a new world order.
Does not not strike as arrogance? Believe you, your generation, you
are the one fated with the future of humanity? I can think of plenty
of other examples where people believed this, and caused much misery.

Of course, we have "woke" people now, who think THEY have it figured
out, and they are cancelling and implementing their DEI or whatever.
See every generation before them, (including the boomers) got it
wrong, but they've figured it out. The next gen will do the same, so
on. Same evil, over and over.

I was probably a bit harsh on Star Trek, Original Series, I did enjoy
it, but I recognise it as idealism, a product of its time, now very
dated. Is it good TV? Sure! It is a model for the future? No, and
it irks me that people still think it is, as if we've learned nothing
since the 60s. Nothing ages faster like science fiction, as science
fiction is often just "current day" values and prejudices in a future
setting. The world changes, and what the future will be deviates more
and more from how people imagined it should be. This problem is today
we are now living with the point end of the stick of this idealism, so
yes, its going to be met with a bit of rejection. Its time to let
those old ideals go. We have to.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson
on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am

Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...

They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.

You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference
between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble
happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is
quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going
wrong.

As I said in another post, my comment came of harsh, after all, people
back then didn't see the end result of their social experiment, and I
do enjoy the first series of Star Trek.

I think it's also fair to say they SHOULD have known better.
Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one
world" is an old one with a bad history. So yeah, it seems a bit
conceited to me to think you can suceed where everyone else failed.
You will have to understand that younger people are going to reject
these utopians ideals more and more as their lives are emisserated by
it.

The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on Thu May 08 2025 09:27 pm

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference
between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.

I think everyone understands that work a fiction is not reality. It's pretty clear and understood what works in fiction, as it doesn't necessarily represent reality.

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but I feel like it's also good entertainment.

If you've only watched the original series, maybe give some of the other Star Trek series a try (maybe Deep Space 9) but it sounds like it might not be your thing.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 07 2025 12:35 pm

it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 03:00 pm

it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 08 2025 11:38 am

Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on
Thu May 08 2025 09:27 pm

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the

difference

between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.

I think everyone understands that work a fiction is not reality. It's pretty clear and understood what works in fiction, as it doesn't necessarily represent reality.

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but
I feel like it's also good entertainment.

If you've only watched the original series, maybe give some of the
other Star Trek series a try (maybe Deep Space 9) but it sounds like it might not be your thing.

I don't think everyone does understand the difference between reality and idealism. If people by and large did, we wouldn't have such an absurd amount of
propaganda and messaging and absolute relentless portrayals of the "ideal future". Almost every single ad on TV is now "Star Trek". You'll barely see a family on a TV advert that isn't mixed race. Its a completely manufactured image to try and sell a future. Almost all corporate messaging is
deliberately tuned to present this ideal. It sounds innocent, but people actually do honestly base their politics on works of fiction. Another example is Ayn Rand, there are people who honestly make political decisions, based on her fiction. They think the world works the way it does in Atlas Shrugged.

Note, this is different to a work with a moral in it (like Aesops fables), or a warning (Crime and Punishment).

I think the first Star Trek series I watched was The Next Generation, in the early 90s. I didn't actually know there had been an earlier series. I thought
at the time that "Star Trek" prior to that was just the movies. I stumbled onto
the original series later, and it was different. Star Trek the original series was more of a space adventure, with heroism and exploration. The Next Generation had that element, but also was more "beaurocratic". I watched an episode of Voyager or two, but it seemed the franchise had become more about the
Star Trek Universe than adventure itself. At least that is my impression, others will see things differently. Deep Space 9 didn't interest me at all.




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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that event. I am paraphrasing here.

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Quoting Boraxman to Mro <=-

there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.

Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

Wow! Good one, I haven't seen that one used in a while! I can see your
point, but MRO also makes some sense.

You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

I doubt that anyone in this arena would take the time to look you up
for no reason, but look at how much data is collected on all of us.
There are businesses based on removing personal data for run of the
mill people who are harrassed by unwanted solicitation constantly. It's
big business to know all about everyone. Your data (you) are money to
them.

If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...

JMO as usual.

Cougar

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Quoting Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson <=-

I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.

Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...

They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.

Wow. Star Trek was/is entertainment. What sort of claptrap do you
consider entertainment? What do you find fun to watch?

Not being contentious, just curious.

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Quoting Nightfox to Daitengu <=-

You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.

It's not "baby boomer claptrap"

"He doesn't understand!"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uuKimFl3-G8/maxresdefault.jpg

Nightfox

I tried, but couldn't get the link to work. I may displaying my
failings - but...

Cougar

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Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but
I feel like it's also good entertainment.

I don't think everyone does understand the difference between reality
and idealism. If people by and large did, we wouldn't have such an
absurd amount of
propaganda and messaging and absolute relentless portrayals of the
"ideal future". Almost every single ad on TV is now "Star Trek".
You'll barely see a family on a TV advert that isn't mixed race. Its a completely manufactured image to try and sell a future. Almost all corporate messaging is deliberately tuned to present this ideal. It sounds innocent, but people actually do honestly base their politics on works of fiction.

I agree with your points on TV ads and corporate messaging. Not sure what
that has to do with Star Trek or entertainment in general (other than
the corporations supporting it). The content is entertainment. And the
content you watch is voluntary. If I don't like something I don't watch
it. Doubly so for the ad industry supporting it.

It's sickening to see a great older movie, supported by pharma
companies who invent drugs to solve imaginary illnesses and directed at
normal people who don't have any of those imaginary problems. I don't
like it, so I don't normally watch that content. Thats voluntary for me
though.

Star trek is fun for me to watch. It's a getaway. Reminds me of the
1960's when things were simpler (for me anyway).

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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-

Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...

They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.

It's fiction. They might be 'pushing that agenda,' but it's still
fiction. :-)



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Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).

The original series would end with such things - a sense of 'boy, if
only we could all be like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
mankind can follow.'


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Snobsoft wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

That is a very smart post from
you. It shows how important it
is
to
know that there are different
perspectives, not just the one
and
only truth. Unfortunately, not
many people are able to imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.

There are MANY perspectives and many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...

Hmm - I have to think about that one :D

Please do! I meant it serious! Let me know what you come up with please!


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Boraxman wrote to DaiTengu <=-

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going wrong.

I see where you are coming from. It did depict a utopian future, and
might have been meant as an 'encouragement' for what we can accomplish
if we only work together. That's nothing new, as you pointed out...

Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one world" is an old one with a bad history.

Goes back to Nimrod. Babylon, of course, was an early attempt to bring everything under one empire. Fast forward to Alexander the Great,
and then REALLY fast forward to the British Empire. They didn't manage
to take in the whole world, but as the saying goes, "the sun never set"
on it. :-)

Then came the war to end all wars (later renamed World War I), followed
by the League of Nations - an attempt to prevent future conflict. But
America wouldn't give up its sovereignty. After WWII, we got another
shot with the United Nations.

Even Reagan said that an alien attack would bring the world together
like nothing else. And George Bush Sr. was VERY New World Order-centric.

So it's not just the Democrats - it's the establishment in general.
That's one of the reasons I like Trump's "America First" sentiment.
I know global unification will still happen eventually, but
I'm fine with delaying it. LOL

The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".

Yep. Which, as I've said before, the Christian way is one soul at a
time! :-)



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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

since the 60s. Nothing ages faster like science fiction, as science fiction is often just "current day" values and prejudices in a future setting.

And fashion. I love some of the Gerry/Sylvia Anderson visions of the
future (1980! 1999!) that's obviously an extrapolation of the '70s.


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Boraxman wrote to DaiTengu <=-

Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek
universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world
where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more
scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal
briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more
territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating
wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 08 2025 11:38 am

Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.

You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?

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I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door
anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.

May as well get rid of those pesky passwords on my accounts now...

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Jimmy Anderson on Wed May 07 2025 12:35 pm

it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
for nothing. :-)

Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them
nervous.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 03:00 pm

it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

That's why I'm in the minority I think... Most people I know are like, "come
on Jesus - take us out of here" while I think "no - please wait - there are still people that MIGHT come to Jesus."


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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I think the first Star Trek series I watched was The Next Generation,
in the early 90s. I didn't actually know there had been an earlier series. I thought
at the time that "Star Trek" prior to that was just the movies. I stumbled onto
the original series later, and it was different. Star Trek the
original series was more of a space adventure, with heroism and exploration. The Next Generation had that element, but also was more "beaurocratic".

I think this is a very astute comment! TOS was more adventure television,
set in space (the final frontier), much like Quantum Leap was a drama
set in the world of time travel. Why time travel? Because the creator
wanted to make an anthology program. Time travel became the best way
to get the protaganist into a different 'setting' each week.

Even The Walking Dead, back when it was new, was the same for me. Once
I started watching it I realized it was a drama set during a zombie
apocalypse. The stories and character development would have worked
even if the setting had been different.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.

This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that
event. I am paraphrasing here.

NOT trying to get into a debate here, but yeah there are SO many ways you
can interpret that. Like any true prophecy, you only KNOW it happened
once it HAS happened...

Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th
century. Putting other things with it (the EU was a big talking point
in the 80's) meant people looked for it by 1999.

Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am

I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world

deep space 9 did. sisco's father ran a restaurant.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.

if somone wants to do something like that, they could.
you're just protecting yourself from the lowest level of criminals.

regarding that car shit i lived in an area where people were using flippers or something to open up cars and steal from them. i've also seen people on camera steal a car and drive it away by stealing the signal from a nearby fob.

bmw's can be stolen by hooking into them via the headlight underneath the car. I have a kia that can be started with a screwdriver.

now back to the internet:

if you put something out there, it's not safe. that's been proven many times. you don't know what the other end is doing with your information and passwords.

you dont know what these world govts can really do with what you consider is secure info.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.

1947 + 70 is 2017..

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go shopping.

Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car.. Also when I get groceries, it could sometimes take about an hour by the time I'm done getting through the store & waiting in the checkout line to pay.. I'm not going to leave my car idling for an hour while I shop.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
for nothing. :-)

Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?

Isn't that Jerusalem?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 07:06 am

I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".

Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

Isreal became a nation in the eyes of the world in 1947 - people said a generation was 70 years - so that put it toward the end of the 20th century.

1947 + 70 is 2017..

Yeah, just saying that in the 80's they were saying "it's coming up fast!" kinda thing. Not LITERALLY 1999, but 'won't be long now' - but of course
that didn't happen. :-)



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.

Even take the rapture out of the equation, Christians should be anxious
for nothing. :-)

Or to be more clear, Christians shouldn't allow ANYTHING to make them nervous.

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

At church, we've been holding each other accountable, and pledging to
commit EVERY day to God. If we start the day that way, we have a
higher tendency to follow Him, follow His lead, etc.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 10:22 am

Here's the thing, though. Isreal IS a 'legal nation' but it still does
NOT encompass the land promised by God to Abram/Abraham, so has that
part of the prophecy been fulfilled or not?

Isn't that Jerusalem?

Actually, the Bible records a much larger promise than just Jerusalem.
Here's the key passage where God outlines the full extent of the land
promised to Abram:

Genesis 15:18021 (KJV)
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying,
Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the
great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites,
and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

That's a massive region stretching roughly from Egypt to Iraq, covering
far more than just Jerusalem. It includes large parts of what are now
Israel, the Palestinian territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and beyond.

Here's a map that visualizes this promise: https://cdapress.com/photos/2021/nov/14/368891

This land grant is often called the Abrahamic Covenant, and while
not all of it has ever been fully possessed at once, it remains a
foundational promise in Scripture.

So - pertaining to my last comment, does the 'generation that sees
this' refer to what happened in 1947? Or once this is complete?


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Jimmy Anderson on Fri May 09 2025 10:47 am

nervous.

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.
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That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

Do you think you're a good person?


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Digital Man to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 01:37 pm

I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".

Indeed. No unnecessary pleasantries or smiles either. :-)

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 07:36 pm

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.

That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Fri May 09 2025 08:48 am

That is a very smart post
from
you. It shows how important
it
is
to
know that there are
different
perspectives, not just the
one
and
only truth. Unfortunately,
not
many people are able to
imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.

There are MANY perspectives and
many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...

Hmm - I have to think about
that
one :D

Please do! I meant it serious! Let
me
know what you come up with please!

I meant it seriously too. I've always thought about it from time to time throughout the day. Something's coming.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sat May 10 2025 01:10 am

MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys

perfect,
but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for

god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

Do you think you're a good person?

I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things' without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about it.

Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to MRO on Sat May 10 2025 07:59 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Fri May 09 2025 07:36 pm

That's a fact. Something I struggle with all the time. Nobodys perfect, but I can aspire to let God handle everything.

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.

That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.

god gives you everything you need when you are born. i always say that god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you all the time. and he's not there to knock on your door and tell you that he exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

The original series would end with such things
- a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
mankind can follow.'

If you want to see an episode that bucked the traditional ending, watch "City on the Edge of Forever". It was written by Harlan Ellison and was a Hugo Award winner.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Snobsoft on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algaebra?

I'll bet it was a sea-cup.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 09:57:44

...& waiting in the checkout line to pay..

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Mortar to Jimmy Anderson on Sat May 10 2025 10:40 pm

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 08:48:18

The original series would end with such things
- a sense of 'boy, if only we could all be
like that' or 'such peace - let's hope all of
mankind can follow.'

If you want to see an episode that bucked the traditional ending, watch "City on the Edge of Forever". It was written by Harlan Ellison and was a Hugo Award winner.

yeah that was a good one but didnt harlan get pissed off about it? didnt they change it or something and he wanted his name off it? i know everything pissed that guy off, though.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 04:25 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Bogomips on Thu May 08 2025 03:50 pm

True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs

Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that t rapture is going to happen soon.

This is how I understand it, It has to do with Israel being established last century, and the rapture happening within a generation of that event. I am paraphrasing here.

I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture. What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?

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Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules. *Atlas Shrugged* *cough* Trouble happens when people insist that the fictional ideology WOULD work, if
only it were for said "bad" people ruining it. Therein lies danger,
and issues which younger people today are having to bear the brunt of,
and future generations are going to be emisserated by. I think it is quite likely that in some Western countries, blood will literally be
shed as a result of these social experiments of the 20th century going wrong.

I see where you are coming from. It did depict a utopian future, and
might have been meant as an 'encouragement' for what we can accomplish
if we only work together. That's nothing new, as you pointed out...

The irony is that in trying to bring people together, it pushes people
apart. Animus between races always seems to occur at the interface
where they meet, and the more places you create for this interface to
occur, the more animus. It seems to me, those who hold the ideal,
tend to not live with the reality, whereas those who live with the
reality, don't subscribe to the ideal.

I honestly believe that to have more peace, mutual understanding and
tolerance, we actually need LESS "openness" and "love". The world
would be better off, I think if we actually dialled back the openness,
the desire to come together.

Communism was already a proven deadly failure, and the dream of a "one world" is an old one with a bad history.

Goes back to Nimrod. Babylon, of course, was an early attempt to bring everything under one empire. Fast forward to Alexander the Great,
and then REALLY fast forward to the British Empire. They didn't manage
to take in the whole world, but as the saying goes, "the sun never set"
on it. :-)

Then came the war to end all wars (later renamed World War I), followed
by the League of Nations - an attempt to prevent future conflict. But America wouldn't give up its sovereignty. After WWII, we got another
shot with the United Nations.

Even Reagan said that an alien attack would bring the world together
like nothing else. And George Bush Sr. was VERY New World
Order-centric.

So it's not just the Democrats - it's the establishment in general.
That's one of the reasons I like Trump's "America First" sentiment.
I know global unification will still happen eventually, but
I'm fine with delaying it. LOL

The hippie ideals didn't pan out, but they insist its not they
who were wrong, but everyone else. Its always the "idealists" that
cause trouble. The most deadly belief system of the 20th century was "utopian".

Yep. Which, as I've said before, the Christian way is one soul at a
time! :-)

Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
us projecting our own *parochial* values. See, this idea is us
pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to
"unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
values at the expense of theirs. Western arrogance just assumes the
rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
*our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't.
Their values system doesn't work that way.

Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
in tears. Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of
Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.

In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to
work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
resentment and conflict).

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Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.

I understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people
- you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning
accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.

That was the future promised to us with the invention of computers. I
remember reading in books about the future (old books from like the
60s or 70s), that we'd go to a three day workweek. Well, I'm
certaintly working long hours in front of a computer! Those shorter
work weeks never came.

I'd love to think that technology can free us from drudgery, but so
far, the track record is poor. We're finding more crap to do.

I will have to read David Graebers book, Bulls^%t Jobs, where he says
the system is designed to produce pointless work to keep us busy, in
debt, and therefore in control. I think he is probably right. With
Star Trek technology, they'll find more beaurocracy for us. They'll
make sure we still remain in debt. People with free time, and no
threat of job loss with spark a revolution, and that won't be
permitted to occur..

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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I think the first Star Trek series I watched was The Next Generation,
in the early 90s. I didn't actually know there had been an earlier series. I thought
at the time that "Star Trek" prior to that was just the movies. I stumbled onto
the original series later, and it was different. Star Trek the
original series was more of a space adventure, with heroism and exploration. The Next Generation had that element, but also was more "beaurocratic".

I think this is a very astute comment! TOS was more adventure
television, set in space (the final frontier), much like Quantum Leap
was a drama set in the world of time travel. Why time travel? Because
the creator wanted to make an anthology program. Time travel became the best way to get the protaganist into a different 'setting' each week.

Even The Walking Dead, back when it was new, was the same for me. Once
I started watching it I realized it was a drama set during a zombie apocalypse. The stories and character development would have worked
even if the setting had been different.

Yeah, Star Trek turned into what could be called "Federation
Beaurocracy in Space". What made TNG interesting, where those strange
surreal anomalies that might pop up, but as a mission, it mostly
looked boring. Kirk got to get in bed with hot space aliens and beat
the bad guy with his fists. I don't remember as much of that with
Picard.

By the way, someone made a good "episide" of TNG here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRRwEBwuu4

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
shopping. Someone informed me that some people are capable of
stealing the car even when its locked, so I don't bother anymore.
Same with the house, as people can break in through the security door anyway, even when I've locked it, I just leave the doors open all day.
In fast, I just dump my valuables on the lawn.

if somone wants to do something like that, they could.
you're just protecting yourself from the lowest level of criminals.

regarding that car shit i lived in an area where people were using flippers or something to open up cars and steal from them. i've also
seen people on camera steal a car and drive it away by stealing the
signal from a nearby fob.

bmw's can be stolen by hooking into them via the headlight underneath
the car. I have a kia that can be started with a screwdriver.

now back to the internet:

if you put something out there, it's not safe. that's been proven many times. you don't know what the other end is doing with your information and passwords.

you dont know what these world govts can really do with what you
consider is secure info. ---

I get what you mean, I'm just saying that lets say my daughter is on
the Internet. Shes going to be safer not giving away her age,
address, phone number or school she goes to. I argue, that if she
doesn't give away this information say, in the lobby of an online
game, then it DOES help against predators.

I'd want my children to take precautions, not be led into giving up
and not trying to maintain any privacy.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
May 09 2025 11:12 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go shopping.

Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car..
Also when I get groceries, it could sometimes take about an hour by the time I'm done getting through the store & waiting in the checkout line
to pay.. I'm not going to leave my car idling for an hour while I
shop.

Nightfox

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Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 11:46 pm

...& waiting in the checkout line to pay..

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot quicker.

There's often a line for that too. Also, not all grocery stores where I live have self-checkout. And there are some that added it a few years ago (during covid) but then removed it.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun May 11 2025 11:23 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when I go
shopping.

Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car..

I was being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic too?

Ah.. I wasn't. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic..

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Re: Checking Out
By: Nightfox to Mortar on Sun May 11 2025 09:01:28

There's often a line for that too.

True, but since people who use those tend to have fewer items, it moves faster.

Also, not all grocery stores where I live have
self-checkout.

Same here, but those are the smaller mom-and-pop and boutique stores. 'Course, those have fewer customers, so it's not a big deal.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else.

Why think about god? We try to understand the brain washing that it took to effect the masses.

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Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sun May 11 2025 12:42 pm

Also, not all grocery stores where I live have self-checkout.

Same here, but those are the smaller mom-and-pop and boutique stores. 'Course, those have fewer customers, so it's not a big deal.

Where I am, even some Wal-Mart locations eliminated self-checkout after adding them several years ago.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Kaboom to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 10:55 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else.

Why think about god? We try to understand the brain washing that it took to effect the masses.

you're the guy i was thinking about when i wrote that.
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god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

Do you think you're a good person?

I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things' without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about it.

Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.

Okay - tongue in cheek humor aside, can I ask you some questions and you
be honest with the answers? If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...


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MRO wrote to Bogomips <=-

i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for god to give me strength and help me to be a good man.

That's all anyone can ask/pray for. Guidance.

god gives you everything you need when you are born. i always say that god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you all the time. and he's not there to knock on your door and tell you that he exists. The funny thing is, the people that don't believe in god think about god more than anybody else. ---

Gonna disagree a little with you, while agreeing overall... I believe that
we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God
exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call
that the Spirit calling you.

And maybe not a rescue, like Superman, but if you are in fellowship
with Him, you'll follow and do what He wants you to do.



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Boraxman wrote to Bogomips <=-

I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture.

That's a safe bet, cause if you lose there's no one left to pay you! :-)

What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?

It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.



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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
us projecting our own *parochial* values.

Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the
rest should follow along. :-)

See, this idea is us
pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
values at the expense of theirs.

Or another set of values, that is not made known yet.

Western arrogance just assumes the
rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
*our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't. Their values system doesn't work that way.

If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.

Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
in tears. Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.

Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.

In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
resentment and conflict).

Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism
believe something else; etc.

ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their
own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...


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Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot quicker.

There's often a line for that too. Also, not all grocery stores where
I live have self-checkout. And there are some that added it a few
years ago (during covid) but then removed it.

Wow - most Wal-Marts around me have one or two 'checkers' and the rest
are ALL self check out...

Course I use their delivery service TO MY DOOR. :-)



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.

What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.

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i dont go as far as to let god handle everything; I just pray for
god
to give me strength and help me to be a good man. ---

Do you think you're a good person?

I try to be a good person every day and i put other people ahead of me
and I try to put myself in other people's shoes. I certainly don't
do bad things. I also do what some would consider 'good things'
without shooting videos or calling newspapers or telling people about
it.
Like my hooker killings. dirty whores deserve to die.

Uh... OK!

Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?

No?

Wow...


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...

so you want me to prove to myself that i'm NOT a good person?
you don't even know me. how do you think that there would even be any type of proof?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.

i actually had god talk to me and work through me. god told me a friend of mine was in danger and i saved them.

I did several out of character things to do this. I did a B&E on someone I had not seen in a long time.

There was no doubt in my mind what was happening and the outcome was that my friend ended up being alive and their child still had a parent. several things with no explaination also happened. and i'm no religious nut. i havent been to church since i was like 10.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 06:42 pm

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the first and the last.

What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.

we should probably take this religious shit to the religion sub
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 09:35 pm

Uh... OK!

Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?

No?

Wow...

where do you live
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Jcurtis wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Bogomips on Sat May 10 2025 07:18 pm

god is not superman. he's not there to fly down and rescue you

Why is there something rather than nothing. Easy answer. God. Without cause there would be no universe. Atheism wonders, if God caused the universe who caused God. I am the Alpha and Omega says the Lord, the
first and the last.

He is outside time, space and matter. So we can't describe Him in terms
that are limited by these. Also means we can't fathom what is outside
the universe!

What eternity means we cannot say. We are like dogs looking at calculus equations on a blackboard. Dogs can do some tricks but will never understand calculus. It is beyond their intellectual design limits.

Great way to put it!

We are the same compared to God. He exists in a higher dimension. We
are limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human
philosophy or scientific observation.

God gave humans free will. He could intervene to stop evil, but that
would contradict the meaning of free will. Logically, it must play out. Until the Kingdom comes, pray.

Yep! I've had people say, if God is so 'good,' why is there so much evil
in the world? I've answered, "if God should get rid of evil, should He
start with you or me?"




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Re: Re: Star Trek
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 11 2025 11:18 pm

Yeah, Star Trek turned into what could be called "Federation
Beaurocracy in Space". What made TNG interesting, where those strange surreal anomalies that might pop up, but as a mission, it mostly
looked boring. Kirk got to get in bed with hot space aliens and beat
the bad guy with his fists. I don't remember as much of that with
Picard.

they should have done an episode where kirk gets some alien std and he almost dies.

but i guess in the future stds dont exist. look at that whore riker. well maybe riker was just for the holodecks. i remember when he got rilled up and canceled his shift and hit holideck 1.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 11:22 pm

I get what you mean, I'm just saying that lets say my daughter is on
the Internet. Shes going to be safer not giving away her age,
address, phone number or school she goes to. I argue, that if she
doesn't give away this information say, in the lobby of an online
game, then it DOES help against predators.

my step daughter was actually talking to a guy and he was using textme to hide his info and dude wanted to show up to the house for sex. she said she was older than what she was as did he. i found him and told his whole family what he was doing. i even told his grandmother.

you can pretty much find someone online if you know where to look. if you combine throwing in money it's almost a sure thing. you could even go the legal route and have them find someone if they committed a crime or you say they did.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Sun May 11 2025 11:23 pm

I just leave my car idling with the keys in the ignition when

I go

shopping.

Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my

car..

I was being sarcastic. Were you being sarcastic too?

Ah.. I wasn't. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic..

Whats the matter, you can't tell when someone is being sarcistic?

OK! I'll stop now, lest I breed more misunderstanding...


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Boraxman wrote to Bogomips <=-

I'm willing to place a very large bet that there will be no rapture.

That's a safe bet, cause if you lose there's no one left to pay you!
:-)

What is it with US Christians and the obession with Israel?

It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.

That doesn't seem to be as much of a deal in Australia. I don't see too manyAustralian Christians be as rabidly pro-Israel, and the few that
are, they are specifically because they are following US politics.

It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't
really factor into much at all.



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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
us projecting our own *parochial* values.

Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the rest should follow along. :-)

See, this idea is us
pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
values at the expense of theirs.

Or another set of values, that is not made known yet.

I don't think there is a universal set of values. There are beliefs
that there are, but such a think I think doesn't exist.

Western arrogance just assumes the
rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
*our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't. Their values system doesn't work that way.

If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.

I'm pretty confident that non-Western nations have no desire to do that, because they do not consider it a "virtue" to subsume your national
identity.

Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this

experiment will end

in tears. Its a vision that never really will

exist outside of the Bo> Anglosphere, because its a specifically
Anglosphere idea, with some of Bo> Europe kind of half heartedly
following the lead.

Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I
believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist
will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.

I can't see who that would be. China for example doesn't want to run the
orld.
Russia doesn't. I've heard this prophecy before, but there are no candidates.

In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
resentment and conflict).

Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism believe something else; etc.

ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their
own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...

I'll put forward my position then, that I predict that the "One World" vision will fall apart and that there will be rising nationalism with a decrepit "empire" that tries to maintain control. The 21st century will see more sectarianism, more violence and identity politics and the powers that be will desperately try to demonise it, but eventually lose due to the flaws in their belief system.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 09:35 pm

Uh... OK!

Wait. Your kidding right? Pulling my leg?

No?

Wow...

where do you live

I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...

Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...

We don't got any hookers to kill here, well some people fly fish and
you could consider them hookers...

I guess.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 11:08 am

where do you live

I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...

Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...

OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door.
see you soon, friend.

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Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 11:46 pm

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 06:42 pm

limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

Then why bother discussing about 'him'?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Mon May 12 2025 06:22 pm

It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't
really factor into much at all.

:O. I am shocked and appalled! How could think such things?

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Re: Checking Out
By: phigan to Mortar on Mon May 12 2025 05:44 pm

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

There's a popular chain of grocery stores in my area (WinCo) that has relatively low prices. They have checkers, but you have to bag your own stuff (which they say contributes to keeping their prices low). They've always been like that.

Nightfox

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MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to MRO on Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm

If so, I'd like you to prove to yourself that
you are NOT a good person...

so you want me to prove to myself that i'm NOT a good person?
you don't even know me. how do you think that there would even be any type of proof?

How many lies have you told?

Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?

Blaspheme?

Lust?


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MRO wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

we are given everything in nature that we need to see to know that God exists. But He also will 'knock on your heart' as an individual. We call that the Spirit calling you.

i actually had god talk to me and work through me. god told me a
friend of mine was in danger and i saved them.

I did several out of character things to do this. I did a B&E on
someone I had not seen in a long time.

There was no doubt in my mind what was happening and the outcome was
that my friend ended up being alive and their child still had a parent.
several things with no explaination also happened. and i'm no
religious nut. i havent been to church since i was like 10. ---

Thanks for sharing that. It sounds like a powerful experience
and I don't doubt that something beyond the ordinary was happening.

I do believe God still speaks and moves in people's lives,
sometimes even when they are not actively looking for Him.
But I'd also gently say that not every spiritual experience
automatically comes from God. Scripture encourages us to "test
the spirits" (1 John 4:1), because not all are from Him.

Ultimately, Jesus said, "What good is it for someone to gain
the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?" (Mark 8:36). The
greatest rescue mission God ever did was offering salvation
through Christ - and that's where I find the real hope
that goes beyond this life.

Not trying to preach, just sharing from where I stand.
Respect to you for listening and acting in that moment.
I hope you keep exploring.


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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.

That doesn't seem to be as much of a deal in Australia. I don't see
too manyAustralian Christians be as rabidly pro-Israel, and the few
that are, they are specifically because they are following US politics.

It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't really factor into much at all.

And with some people, it could be the case. I see everything through
a Biblical worldview, so I don't think of it as geopolitical FOR ME.

I also recognize that the Jewish people have denied Christ as
Messiah, so the people might be God's chosen, but the individuals
are sadly doomed.


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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I
believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist
will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.

I can't see who that would be. China for example doesn't want to run
the orld.
Russia doesn't. I've heard this prophecy before, but there are no candidates.

I think the 'who' is something that won't be clear until it
happens. I hear people all the time say this person or that
person could be the antichrist, but there is no way of
knowing yet.

And the details of the covenant he will confirm are not
known either. Will it be a new treaty? I believe it will
be tha Abrahamic Covenant, but I have no proof, and I
could be wrong.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 10:01 pm

How many lies have you told?

Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?

Blaspheme?

Lust?

Love someone else, other than God?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 11:08 am

where do you live

I'm sure you could find out, but hey I was being facetious...

Not sure about you sometimes. Don't knock on my door...

OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door.
see you soon, friend.

Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.

Have a great day Mr O.!

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Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on
Sat May 10 2025 11:46 pm

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

Do you have those manned checkouts, where someone is standing there,
will scan your groceries, but then when you pay, you have to put it into
a slot in front of you, which will dispense change?

I walked into a supermarket one, it was all self service, a couple of
"manned" ones where they just watched you handle the payment yourself,
and security guards. Literally every employee was just being paid to
stand around and watch. For this they charge me?


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun
May 11 2025 06:42 pm

limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

Then why bother discussing about 'him'?

Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.



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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

This is often understood as applying not just to Abraham personally,
but to his descendants - including the nation of Israel. That's why
many Christians take Israel seriously in both spiritual and
geopolitical discussions.

That doesn't seem to be as much of a deal in Australia. I don't see
too manyAustralian Christians be as rabidly pro-Israel, and the few
that are, they are specifically because they are following US politics.

It makes me think its less about scripture and more about influence and manipulation. I'm from an Orthodox family myself, and Israel doesn't really factor into much at all.

And with some people, it could be the case. I see everything through
a Biblical worldview, so I don't think of it as geopolitical FOR ME.

I also recognize that the Jewish people have denied Christ as
Messiah, so the people might be God's chosen, but the individuals
are sadly doomed.

That makes NO sense??? Why would God choose people who are doomed,
because of their rejection of Christ?

This is just batty. Someone is having you on here.

"Judeo-Christianity" is one of the biggest scams ever pulled in history. No wonder you Americans are stuck in the Middle East pouring money into that
tate.
The whole thing is maintained, I'm sure, to keep the arms, money and support going.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on Tue May 13 2025 06:59 pm

Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.

That's not how it is. Jesus said if they don't believe Moses they won't believe miracles either.

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Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks open. So the self-checkouts are taking jobs from people that don't exist.

There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders
for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just
no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the self-check banks.

Wal-mart locally, OTOH, has people working their self-check banks, on
average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they
were open. So no jobs lost there, either.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am

where do you live

OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door. see you soon, friend.

Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.

LOl, Cougar428... well said...


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Re: Checking Out
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Tue May 13 2025 10:54 am

There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just

That sounds like a management problem :).

average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they
were open. So no jobs lost there, either.

They don't bag your stuff for you, though.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am

Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little
friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.

you are probably a horrible aim.

Have a great day Mr O.!

you said my name wrong.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Tue May 13 2025 07:04 pm

That makes NO sense??? Why would God choose people who are doomed,
because of their rejection of Christ?

the lord works in mysterious ways. also this should be in the
religious sub.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Kaboom to Cougar428 on Tue May 13 2025 04:36 pm

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Tue May 13 2025 08:45 am

where do you live

OH, I won't be KNOCKING on your door. see you soon, friend.

Now I know your coming. I'd like you to say hello to my little friend... No not the fly fisherman, my Remington.

LOl, Cougar428... well said...

i hope you're writing this as you wash your cat
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to phigan on
Tue May 13 2025 06:59 pm

Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.

That's not how it is. Jesus said if they don't believe Moses they won't believe miracles either.

In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.

I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy explanation myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:25 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am

There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't pla
it stupid. If you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

The whole "You can't do anything, so may as well not try" argument, is the line of a loser. Losers say things like this.

i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.

You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.

I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.

What specically then, is your objection to that?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:27 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am

now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide
network of computers,
you're fooling yourself. ---

I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
come from. A problem I see all the time, is people assuming that the state is the ONLY threat. That is, if the NSA or
what-have-you could potentially at some
point get information, there is no point.

i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you might think.

I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever info they can
people and sell it.

it's probably happening all the time.

Yes, I know that argument, and I know all to well the kind of person who makes that argument.

You made your point. I get it.

The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.

By not plastering your info everywhere, you make it difficult for miscreants. I've been able to protect myself many times by being
prudent, and I know that for a *FACT*.

I'm not arguing this anymore

So tell me, where do I live?

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:08 am

Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither have the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek future, humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an early death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.

That may be true now, but maybe some things can change a bit in a few hundred years. Or maybe it will take more time. Looking at humanity's history, we've gone from cave men to being organized enough to build cities that we live in with services we need, and so on. It might not be perfect, but over time things might continue to improve. Hopefully.

Nightfox

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Quoting Arelor to Cougar428 <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...

I think this is lamb mentality.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but not sure what that has to do
with participating in internet social circles.

My experience is that most people who don't want to take good
operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and
then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.

Just the fact that you ARE participating is enough for someone to
gather data on you. As I think I mentioned, data is money and money is
the root of all scamming. Whether it's ID theft, or just scamming for
money.

I am official Captain Paranoia in my workplace and everybody laughts
at my back, except when they pickpocketed one of the accountants and
stole a pendrive loaded with private accounting information. Then
nobody laughted at the funny pen drive with an encryption chipset.

I also use encryption on all of my personal 'flash drives', however
that won't help you in the event your information has already been
skimmed. The stupidity of the accounting department could very well
spell financial problems for you or anyone included in the data.

There are lots of places in which you can still have safe Internet interations with cool people as long as you don't play it stupid. If
you want to use Facebook using a clearnet connection because you are doomed anyway then that is on you.

Just the fact that you are using Facebook means data is being generated
and gathered on you and anyone in your social circles. I am not trying
to be a 'doom and gloom' bringer, just a realist.

The only way to stop that data gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing that is something that seems worthy
to you is another matter.

Peace and I hope you have a wonderful day!

Cougar

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Quoting Mro to Cougar428 <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:01 am

you are probably a horrible aim.

Maybe, but it doesn't matter since I only use triple aught buckshot.
It'll make swiss cheese holier than thou.

you wont see it coming. all you will see is the bright white light.

you said my name wrong.

No I didn't.

yes you did.

Have a wonderful day!

it might be your last....

I'll let you have the last word. If it's my last, then so be it.

Hardy har har!

Hope you have a great day while you are zapping me with white light.

Cheers Mr. O!

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Quoting Phigan to Dumas Walker <=-

Re: Checking Out
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Wed May 14 2025 08:47 am

The grocery here usually doesn't at the "manned" checkouts, either. I would

That'd be motivation for me to shop elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGFs_NhcOk

I'm the guy in the hat.

Don't get me stahted!

Futurama, great show!


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Quoting Arelor to Poindexter Fortran <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 09 2025 06:49 am

They never really show what it's like to be a civilian in a Star Trek universe. Some books discuss it, but they're not canon. Imagine a world where power no longer requires the exploitation of resources or people -
you could set up a matter/antimatter reactor and power a city without
waste products. How would that change economies when there's no more scarcity? Want a diamond? With enough energy, you could turn charcoal briquets into a necklace. Need to create fresh water? Done, no more territorial conflicts over a brackish river border. Food? Done. take a
CHON matrix and turn it into whatever food you want.

The part they do talk about in Star Trek is that abandoning accumulating wealth allows people to free their time to work for the betterment of mankind.

Something that these shows fail to address when they deal with "post scarcity" economies is that removing scarcity of natural resources and manufactured goods does not actually cause the end of scarcity.
See, in a world in which you can manufacture anything at zero cost,
you still need manpower to fight the Klingons. Humans still need time
to be "manufactured". Good luck putting your unlimited arsenal to use
with a limited number of capable officers and soldiers.
It gets better: I might be filthy rich (because "somebody" produces
all the stuff I want at zero cost) except I might be a short, ugly
fuck with no charisma. Since human females are in a limited supply
that means I don't get a girlfriend, no emotional support nor nothing, therefore I end up blowing my brains out with a blaster because I am lonely and the next day they find my corpse laying on a mound of gold
and diamonds and other no-cost stuff. Heck, in a material post-
scarcity scenario loneliness would get really bad because at that
point you can't rent a hooker nor possess material wealth to talk
about because everybody is on the same footing.

You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!

Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.

Take a reality break. It might help you relax your sphincter a little.
Not too much though...

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Quoting Mro to Arelor <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Cougar428 on Wed May 14 2025 08:10 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

If you do anything on the web, it's pretty much public information. So
really the only way to stay private is to not participate in anything.
Whether it is worth it to you, that's another matter. Do the pro's
outweigh the cons...

I think this is lamb mentality.

My experience is that most people who don't want to take good operational security practices love to just skip them altogether and then use the "we are doomed anyway" line as an excuse.

i'm a secure guy pretty much but i also realize that anything we do on
the internet is forever. and people in the past that thought they
were secure and private have been caught when wrong doing.
we have no true undestanding of the technology that world govts have
or even really good private professionals. maybe what you think is
the height of security can be defeated in minutes. There's no way of knowing, except for past examples of where people thought they were secure, but caught.
now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but
still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-

Not a criminal? Wait just a minute Mr White Light...

... I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked.

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Quoting Arelor to Mro <=-

By the way, perfect informational security is mathematically possible
and you can actually deliver a message you encrypt using pen and
pencil through a compromised computer, and it will be uncrackeable by
any machine no matter how arbitrarily advanced it is. This is
certainly not used for public Internet activity but it has been known
to be used in the wild when it mattered, so there is that.

Are you a 'rocket scientist'?

JFMOI

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Quoting Mro to Jcurtis <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 08:49 pm

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 08:26 pm

take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in 1994 though.

okay take a piece of transparent paper and and a crayon and draw over
the entire paragraph of text to make a copy. next take the paper next
to the computer and type out the past text. next roll the piece of
paper up into a cylindar and turn it sideways. insert into your
asshole. -!-

Speaking from experience?

... Why isn't phonetically spelled that way?

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I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff.

I moved my reply to a message over into that echo but that is also the only traffic I have seen in it in a while. I am wondering if some sysops don't carry that one. Come to think of it, I bet I am not subscribed to it.
Ooops.


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That's easy for you to say. I'm using Novell DOS LAN Workplace TNVT220 Telnet client with Novell 16-bit TCPIP, circa 1994, with Desqview and QEMM97. Gives m
450k in a DOS Window, and runs Windows 3.1 standard mode in another window.

That.... is awesome. ;) I ran DV as long as I could until I decided to
move over to linux around 2000. I still have a machine that runs it, if I
turn it on, but it doesn't have the horsepower to do all of that.


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take a screenshot and use google lense to extract the text. then email it to yourself and cut and paste it into a telnet client on a windows 11 desktop computer or linux.

Not interested in Smartphone tricks. I'll figure something out. Has to work in
1994 though.

IIRC, there was some way to copy text in a DV window, but whatever you were trying to paste it into would need to be "DV-aware" (I think) in order to accept the text.

If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads, you could try QWK packet messaging. I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
readers used to work under DV.

As you have some networking going on, you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.

QWK readers (usually) allow you to change the conference number that you
are going to put your reply into.

Just some ideas for future reference. ;)


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 09:36 am

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:08 am

Star Trek is idealistic, overly idealistic. In reality, we neither ha the capacity nor motivation to make it work. In the Star Trek futur humanity is emmiserated, and resigned to stuffing their faces to an ea death in an ecologically destroyed, overcrowded hell-scape.

That may be true now, but maybe some things can change a bit in a few hundre years. Or maybe it will take more time. Looking at humanity's history, we' gone from cave men to being organized enough to build cities that we live in with services we need, and so on. It might not be perfect, but over time things might continue to improve. Hopefully.

Nightfox

There are more countries now, than there were at the end of World War II. We've seen singular nations split up for various reasons. The EU is dying, there is pushback on globalism. Currently we're seeing a move towards sovreignty, and the appeal of a "one world government" is definately waning.

It also worth noting, for example, that while Ancient Greece was warring city states, and modern Greece is not, they still back then recognised themselves as Greek, as one ethnicity, even if they weren't one state. The Roman Empire was a large state.

I can't see humanity united. In fact,I don't think there IS such a thing as "humanity". The "one world, one people" vision is a hellscape, an utter hellscape. I live in a city which is going for "Diversity", and no, please, God no, I don't want that the future. It's awful and inhuman.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:00 pm

i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.

You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.

I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.

What specically then, is your objection to that?

my objection is that it's a false sense of security.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:05 pm

The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.

not really, i have not tried. i have however found other people online who are lost.

I'm not arguing this anymore

So tell me, where do I live?

dude, it's not a dick, dont take it so hard.
if you want to think you are secure, go ahead.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a world wide network of
computers, you're fooling yourself. -!-

Not a criminal? Wait just a minute Mr White Light...

looks like someone wants an invite to my block party.
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i dont recall saying anything like that.
I was pretty much saying don't trust yourself to be safe.

You were objecting to the idea that one can take measures to protect their privacy.

I was arguing that to some degree, you can ameliorate some threats and reduce the danger.

What specically then, is your objection to that?

my objection is that it's a false sense of security.

If you don't keep up with how threats are evolving, it sure can be.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Mon May 12 2025 10:01 pm

How many lies have you told?

Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you?

Blaspheme?

Lust?

Love someone else, other than God?

Not what I'm asking, but sure. Most people love themselves
more than they love God.


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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

phigan wrote to Jcurtis <=-

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to MRO on Sun
May 11 2025 06:42 pm

limited to 4 (including time). His reality is beyond human philosophy or scientific observation.

Then why bother discussing about 'him'?

Its amusing that people can both simultaneously state that "He" is
beyond all comprehension and understanding, AND also state to know
exactly what He wants, what His plans are and what He thinks.

He told us...


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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-

It's not about nationalism - it's about Scripture. Many Christians
support Israel because of biblical promises like Genesis 12:3, where
God says to Abram:

"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

<snip>

I also recognize that the Jewish people have denied Christ as
Messiah, so the people might be God's chosen, but the individuals
are sadly doomed.

That makes NO sense??? Why would God choose people who are doomed, because of their rejection of Christ?

God loves the WHOLE world, not just the Jewish people. All individuals
are 'doomed' without Christ, yet He still came in human form.

God chose Abram to be His people and that the whole world would be
blessed. This 'lineage' is where Jesus the Christ came from, and
the 'whole world' IS blessed because of it.

This is just batty. Someone is having you on here.

"Judeo-Christianity" is one of the biggest scams ever pulled in
history. No wonder you Americans are stuck in the Middle East pouring money into that tate.
The whole thing is maintained, I'm sure, to keep the arms, money and support going.

Christianity itself is NOT maintained for geopolitical reasons. Acutally following God and what He stands for is VERY much anti-cultural here...


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Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to
get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
open. So the self-checkouts are taking jobs from people that don't
exist.

Yep - no one wants to work anymore! Covid helped with that, when
people were getting paid to stay home...

There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill
orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the
self-check banks.

This! We use delivery now because they finally deliver to our
rural area, and I don't have to spend 20 minutes ONE WAY into
town, then spend the time shopping, then check out, load my
truck, drive back home and bring the stuff up the steps. :-)

With delivery, they put it AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS so I literally
just open my carport door and bring the stuff in. :-) Love it!



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phigan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

average about as many as would be running non-self-check lanes, if they
were open. So no jobs lost there, either.

They don't bag your stuff for you, though.

They do if you get delivery... ;-)


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Boraxman wrote to Jcurtis <=-

In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by
another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.

Do you believe George Washington existed? Abraham Lincoln?

Or another leader from your history that existed before
photographs?

I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy explanation myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.

I dare say you believe a LOT of what you have been 'taught' to
believe, even though you didn't see or experience it... :-) Most
of us do.


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Jcurtis wrote to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jcurtis on Wed May 14 2025 07:59 am

I need to see/experience something myself to believe

Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would
arise and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.

Our pastor said this Wednesday night - that Christianity is 'not
just a religion' but is following Jesus.

So - agreed. :-)



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MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm

Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to Boraxman on Tue May 13 2025 10:04 pm

Caution is wise. Jesus said false Christs and false prophets would

arise
and mislead many. God and religion are not the same thing.

I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---

Maybe we need a Christianity sub...


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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Mortar <=-

Re: Checking Out
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Sat May 10 2025 23:46:20

Hate to butt in, but we wouldn't even have this problem if stores
weren't too lazy to fully staff lines like they did, once upon a time.

I don't think there's such a thing as 'butting in' in a public
forum. :-) All views and comments welcome!

Around here, I think it's more of a point of not having the
employees to do what used to be done, but I'm not in management
at any of them, so I can't swear to it...

I work in education (IT for a local public school system) and
budgetary issues are ALWAYS a concern. So at least in our
district, we have a limited amount of money, and a limited
pool of people willing to work.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Bogomips to jimmylogan on Tue May 13 2025 04:42 am

Love someone else, other than God?

Actually I think the modern interpretation of the Bible is that you are supposed to love other humans at least as much as you love God.

Almost...

Matthew 22:36-40 (NIrV) Teacher, he asked, which is the most important commandment in the Law? Jesus replied, Love the Lord your God with all
your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your mind. This
is the first and most important commandment. And the second is like it.
Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Everything that is written
in the Law and the Prophets is based on these two commandments.

So modern interpretation may be that, but it's not accurate.

There is all this New Testament approach of "Whatever you think [Jesus] would do for the people, do it yourselves" which is the functional

WWJD, right?

reason why Christianism is not retrocompatible with Judaism. The whole
New Testament feels like a nerf against a doctrine that used to be
about gaining strength and power through faith and feats. I don't think the New Testament is easy to reconciliate with the Old One, which I
think is the reason why modern Catholics focus so much on Christ but
don't touch earlier theology that much.

Could be. I don't know that much about Catholosism. I THINK I do, but
just when I think I kow a lot, I learn something else. :-)



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Tue May 13 2025 11:04 pm

I like this sub-board without the religion. :-(

Right. If the others can move I can follow. Don't hate me I didn't
start it.

Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)



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Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

at least some of it goes in the bags. The downside to curbside and
home delivery is not being able to pick out your own produce & such, though I think that hasn't been a big deal so far. Also sometimes they
do make mistakes; recently I bought some drinks and I ordered the sugar-free version but some of the ones they got were the sugared
version. I didn't notice until later.. I often notice some things when
I pick up my groceries at curbside, but I didn't notice that when I
picked up those groceries.

Have bought apples & bananas with no problems. I heard early on it
was an issue, but people complaining made them fix the problem.

As for the drinks, did they 'make it right?' I've had the wrong
thing brought and if it's there fault they will say, "keep it and
we'll bring the correct thing."


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Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to Boraxman on Sat May 17 2025 08:02 pm

Boraxman wrote to Jcurtis <=-

In the end, it comes down to whether you believe a claim made by another human being or not, and for me, I generally don't.

Do you believe George Washington existed? Abraham Lincoln?

Or another leader from your history that existed before
photographs?

There are multiple sources which all corroborate their existence. If they did not exist, there would be problems explaning our world.

This is different to the Gods people have believed in, in which, if they did not exist, would not cause any explanatory problems.

I'm not close minded, I have experienced things that defy e
myself, but I need to see/experience something myself to believe.

I dare say you believe a LOT of what you have been 'taught' to
believe, even though you didn't see or experience it... :-) Most
of us do.

Not all of it. There are some things people say are true, which I know are not, and there are some things people say are not true, which I know are.

As for things that I did not see, such as the Cambrian explosion, my adherence to that truth is as strong as it needs to be. The more doubt I have, or more specifically, the more the possibility that there is room that I am wrong, the less forceful I am with that belief.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat

The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing

Yeah, I don't use any of that shit, so
I think I'm good.

It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?

I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Instead you have to ask why doesn't
the ugly guy get the girl.

And why don't they ever show someone
needing to step out to the bathroom or
something? They never drink water or
pee in space? Come on!

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Fri May 16 2025 08:35 am

I can't see humanity united. In fact
don't think there IS such a thing as
"humanity". The "one world, one
people" vision is a hellscape, an ut

I think the idea is more to eliminate
economic borders. Political borders,
too, maybe, but we can work on the
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.

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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I can't see humanity united. In fact,I don't think there IS such a
thing as "humanity". The "one world, one people" vision is a
hellscape, an utter hellscape. I live in a city which is going for "Diversity", and no, please, God no, I don't want that the future.
It's awful and inhuman.

Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.

I read an interesting SF book series by Christopher Nuttall starting
with the book Ark Royal. It's an interesting look at a spacefaring
future where separate political powers explore and colonize space
without having unified into a single political entity. They end up
fighting an alien race, but don't have the idealistic "one world" trope
most science fiction has.



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jimmylogan wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

I work in education (IT for a local public school system) and
budgetary issues are ALWAYS a concern. So at least in our
district, we have a limited amount of money, and a limited
pool of people willing to work.

Can you give students work-credit for helping out? Maybe make a course
out of it. :)



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jimmylogan wrote to Jcurtis <=-

Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)

It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.



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Don't remember who started it, but personally Christianity filters
all that I say and do. :-) Can't seperate it or 'compartmentalize'
it. :-)

It would be nice to keep the religious discussions on the religion
subboard, since Digital Man was accomodating enough to create one.

His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: phigan to Cougar428 on Sun May 18 2025 07:46 am

It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?

I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.

Not everyone lives near each other, so it can be hard to get together. Also, I'm all for phone calls, but I think not everyone has the time for a phone call all the time. And sometimes I think it can get tiring to keep repeating the same information to multiple people. Facebook provides a format to post an update once and everyone can see it when they check.

Aside from that, there are companies that post information about events & such on Facebook. But I know Facebook isn't the only source for that information.

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I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks
open. So the self-checkouts are taking jobs from people that don't exist.

Yep - no one wants to work anymore! Covid helped with that, when
people were getting paid to stay home...

I doubt that most potential grocery workers (outside of management) were getting paid to stay home, aside from some stimulus checks that were not
enough to live on, but your point is taken nonetheless.

There are a lot of folks working there, pushing large carts to fill orders for delivery and drive-thru, so they are employing plenty of people... just no one that wants to be a cashier or to man the self-check banks.

This! We use delivery now because they finally deliver to our
rural area, and I don't have to spend 20 minutes ONE WAY into
town, then spend the time shopping, then check out, load my
truck, drive back home and bring the stuff up the steps. :-)

With delivery, they put it AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS so I literally
just open my carport door and bring the stuff in. :-) Love it!

During the height of COVID, I did use the drive-thru for a while. Then I decided I was in good enough health that it was better to go in and let
those resources be used for others who couldn't.

I have a sister who has two young grandkids. She has been doing drive-thru
so she doesn't have to take the kids into the store.

I have not tried delivery but I have heard decent things about it.


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yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---

Maybe we need a Christianity sub...

The religion sub seems to be mostly empty so why create a new one?


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!

Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.

I don't invest myself deeply in Star Trek and I don't watch much of it, but I hear a lot of people talking about so-called post-scarcity economies and the ST series pops up a lot with those. If the subject of post-scarcity economy pops up it is nearly unavoidable to dodge ST these days.

The fun part is that the the first time I heard from some entertainment outlet that scarceless economies would still have poor people, it was from Enemy at the Gates, in which a Soviet officer argued no matter how advanced a Soviet society became, there would always be somebody who didn't get the girl he wanted and thus he would be poor in comparison to others.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Are you a 'rocket scientist'?

I knew a bunch of rocket engineers at College. Most of them ended up in the weapons industry. The library had a good section of books that touched cryptography, which is what you ought to check if you want to learn about informationally perfect safety and the like rather than, you know, talk to rocket engineers who don't know what Shannon's perfect secrecy laws are.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Sun May 18 2025 10:00 am

Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.

I find your optimism soooooo cute.

Historical record proof people does not unite in the face of invasions. Heck, the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and then grab the scraps that remained. It is the same with modern superpowers, really, except modern superpowers are much worse at it.

Heck, even the idealized colonization of the Americas by Spain is total myth. 200 Spaniards that hadn't taken a shower in ages disembarked and convinced the natives to fight other natives - which was easy because they already had conflicts going on - and eventually grabbed the power.

But if you want something more recent, just keep in mind that in the Spanish civil war the Republican side could not maintain an unified army. The members of one syndicate didn't respect the members of this other union, it was a meshup of different uncohesive armies (many of them didn't even deserve the classification of "army"). You would think that with Fascist knocking on the door, people would unite and stand in coordination, but no.


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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: jimmylogan to Dumas Walker on Sat May 17 2025 08:02 pm

Dumas Walker wrote to PHIGAN <=-

Use the self-serve checkout. You'll leave a lot
quicker.

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where they bag your stuff for you.

I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Sat May 17 2025 08:02 pm

yeah i've mentioned that they should use the religious sub a few times. normally i move a post and reply there but that never does any good to move stuff. ---

Maybe we need a Christianity sub...

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 18 2025 10:49 am

His house, his rules. Jesus is not a license to harass people who don't
want to hear it.

dont know how you derived that shit from it, but go post in the religious sub if you can figure out how to find it.
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Re: Re: Checking Out
By: MRO to jimmylogan on Sun May 18 2025 06:28 pm

Self checkouts take away jobs. I'm stubborn and wait for the line where
they bag your stuff for you.

I would agree with that except that our local groceries cannot seem to
get enough *willing* help to even keep all the self checkout banks

how far back is this shit? time to update your msg pointers

Replying to messages posted within *gasp* the past week? Oh the horror!

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on
Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat

The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing

Yeah, I don't use any of that shit, so
I think I'm good.

It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?

I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.

That is what still bugs me the most about it. People say that it helps keep in touch, as if there were no other way to do it. Why do you need to involve a predator in our communication? Why do you feel the need to make everything about me logged and tracked, just to show me a photo?

I think most people aren't really aware of this. They just think "its the Internet" and don't see how significantly different sending someone a photo over
Facebook vs email really is.

My mum's a kind of big facebook user, and I explained to her the business model,
that "keeping in touch" is just a cover for data harvesting and selling your information for ads. She was a bit shocked.


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phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Fri May 16 2025 08:35 am

I can't see humanity united. In fact
don't think there IS such a thing as
"humanity". The "one world, one
people" vision is a hellscape, an ut

I think the idea is more to eliminate
economic borders. Political borders,
too, maybe, but we can work on the
economic ones first. You can grow
bananas better than me and I can grow
peppers better than you. There's no
reason we can't work together from
afar.

I think this is the vision, and the purpose is to destroy what makes us human and unique, and create a humanity which is just nothing more than a herd animal.
Docile sheep with no allegience, no solid identity or belonging.

Again, even the *ideal* future of one humanity, actually sounds awful. The dystopia we'll actually get is 100x worse. It's just "Ein Volk, Ein Rasse, Ein Fuhrer" writ large.

No thanks...



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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I can't see humanity united. In fact,I don't think there IS such a
thing as "humanity". The "one world, one people" vision is a
hellscape, an utter hellscape. I live in a city which is going for "Diversity", and no, please, God no, I don't want that the future.
It's awful and inhuman.

Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see
unity.

I read an interesting SF book series by Christopher Nuttall starting
with the book Ark Royal. It's an interesting look at a spacefaring
future where separate political powers explore and colonize space
without having unified into a single political entity. They end up fighting an alien race, but don't have the idealistic "one world" trope most science fiction has.

To be honest, I think this is more likely. China has a space program. India has a space program. Elon has a space program. USA has a space program.

We thought it would take one massive world government, but what we see now is SpaceX and Blue Origin. Space travel could very well just end up being competing private companies. There might be frameworks and treaties on how to divide the spoils, but no singular entity controlling it, unless a monopoly emerges.

An alien invasion seems exceedingly unlikely anyway. We're far, far more likely
to do ourselves in through some environmental catastrophe, than have it imposed by Martians, and look at how our environmentmal problems have united the world... *cough*


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman
on Sun May 18 2025 10:00 am

Outside of an alien invasion, I agree that we're not going to see unity.

I find your optimism soooooo cute.

Historical record proof people does not unite in the face of invasions. Heck, the Roman modus operandi was to arrive to a place, identify disidents that opposed the regime that ruled that place, seed division, cause conflict and then grab the scraps that remained. It is the same
with modern superpowers, really, except modern superpowers are much
worse at it.

Heck, even the idealized colonization of the Americas by Spain is total myth. 200 Spaniards that hadn't taken a shower in ages disembarked and convinced the natives to fight other natives - which was easy because
they already had conflicts going on - and eventually grabbed the power.

But if you want something more recent, just keep in mind that in the Spanish civil war the Republican side could not maintain an unified
army. The members of one syndicate didn't respect the members of this other union, it was a meshup of different uncohesive armies (many of
them didn't even deserve the classification of "army"). You would think that with Fascist knocking on the door, people would unite and stand in coordination, but no.

You are right, we can see this today. Countries like China are doing this to the West right now. They will sow division, and make Western citizens oppose and fight each other over matters of "Social Justice". They do this ploy in Australia, casting any criticism or concern about Chinese influence as "Racism" and some "phobia" and just leaving the anti-racists here to do their work by attacking those who attacks Chinas national interest. Putin's done the same, I'm sure.

Not that I believe an alien invasion is even remotely likely, but if they were to come, they'd only need to plant some seeds of division, and watch us destroy each other. There are plenty of people who will point to the Aliens ideology and use that as justification for why they should remove their ideological opponents here on Earth.

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Cougar428 wrote to MRO <=-

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Just the fact that you are using
Facebook means data is being generat

The only way to stop that data
gathering is to desist from
participating in it. Whether doing

Yeah, I don't use any of that shit, so
I think I'm good.

It's weird to me that this is weird to
other people. They always roll their
eyes at me and say "But I keep up with
my family!" Uhh, use the phone? Call em
up. Get together. Why do you need some
other company's shit in the middle?

I've accepted that people do it, but
still don't really understand why.

I use my phone to keep in contact by calling, most people now days are
tethered to their phone. I was at the grocery store in line, and there
was a teenage girl in front of me with her mom. She was having an
anxiety attack as she forgot to take her phone with her. Afraid she
might have missed a text or ping from FB or X or whatever.

In the parking lot, I see people walking to the entrance with their
eyes glued to the phone. Not even watching where they are going. Then
there are the people with the earbud/mic who walk around in the store
talking to themselves while they are trying to pick which Cap'n Crunch
to buy.

I see parents buying phones for 7 year olds. I guess that's where it
starts. Once they see that they can get instant gratification and don't
have to actually 'connect' with anyone - they're off.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

Instead you have to ask why doesn't
the ugly guy get the girl.

And why don't they ever show someone
needing to step out to the bathroom or
something? They never drink water or
pee in space? Come on!

Now you have me doing it. So here's the deal, they pee into a catheter
connected to the water purification system. So it's the new way to
recycle. When they want water they just suck.

Apologies...

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Thu May 15 2025 02:19 pm

You guys take yourselves to seriously. JFC, it's only entertainment!

Apparently you never relax and watch the show to get away from reality.
Instead you have to ask why doesn't the ugly guy get the girl.

I don't invest myself deeply in Star Trek and I don't watch much of
it, but I hear a lot of people talking about so-called post-scarcity economies and the ST series pops up a lot with those. If the subject
of post-scarcity economy pops up it is nearly unavoidable to dodge ST these days.
The fun part is that the the first time I heard from some
entertainment outlet that scarceless economies would still have poor people, it was from Enemy at the Gates, in which a Soviet officer
argued no matter how advanced a Soviet society became, there would
always be somebody who didn't get the girl he wanted and thus he would
be poor in comparison to others.

Apologies, I'm not well educated on 'post scarcity economy'. Sadly this
is the first time I've heard the term. So you kind of lost me here. I
think I may have been watching Star Trek when this was discussed and
missed the idea altogether.

Have a great day!

... I didn't know it was impossible when I did it.

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