Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-

Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Note: I've never had an AMD chip, ever. I'm sure there are others that way. I've just recently started buying high-end laptops with Ryzen CPUs, I suppose I should try. There are some amazing older chips out there with lots of cores that I keep hearing about for homelabs...

I used AMD CPUs exclusively from about 1994 to 2011. AMD CPUs always performed well enough for me, and I always thought they were pretty
good for the money. 2011 is when I started working at Intel, and they
had an employee discount where you could buy Intel CPUs for up to about 50% of their retail price.

AMD user here as well. Been using AMD since start of 1997 and any computer I've built since then has been AMD. I do have intel chips,
from laptops and from "vintage computers" I've bought.

I used to build my own gaming systems in the 80's and 90's. I tried
some Intel competitors at the time. Cyrix was one of them, but their
performance always seemed to be lacking in comparison the Intel
offerings.

I did also build some systems with AMD cpu's and most of them were
solid performers but were just a jump behind the speed and response of
the Intels. Since they weren't as expensive, they were a great choice.
The only real issues I had with them was that when playing intensive
games - they got extremely hot. If you were able to cool them
efficiently this wasn't normally a problem. However I did have
overheating problems with them as I tried to cool them the same way I
did the Intel builds.

The link is a Tom's hardware display where they removed the cooling
while playing a 3d shooter and what happened to the Intel and AMD
cpu's. I know, I know - they did it on purpose, but this just
demonstrates how hot the AMD's (at the time) ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk

After having some overheating issues, I stopped using them. I also
realize this was a long time ago and AMD has solved any of these issues
(I think).

Cougar

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Cougar428 to BORAXMAN on Fri May 09 2025 09:23 am

I used to build my own gaming systems in the 80's and 90's. I tried
some Intel competitors at the time. Cyrix was one of them, but their
performance always seemed to be lacking in comparison the Intel
offerings.

I did also build some systems with AMD cpu's and most of them were
solid performers but were just a jump behind the speed and response of
the Intels. Since they weren't as expensive, they were a great choice.
The only real issues I had with them was that when playing intensive
games - they got extremely hot. If you were able to cool them
efficiently this wasn't normally a problem. However I did have
overheating problems with them as I tried to cool them the same way I
did the Intel builds.

The link is a Tom's hardware display where they removed the cooling
while playing a 3d shooter and what happened to the Intel and AMD
cpu's. I know, I know - they did it on purpose, but this just
demonstrates how hot the AMD's (at the time) ran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQSHXNFvUk

After having some overheating issues, I stopped using them. I also
realize this was a long time ago and AMD has solved any of these issues
(I think).

I was always under the impression that AMD was faster, because they were able to make some instructions execute in fewer cycles, whereas Intel went for speed, as speed was more marketable.

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating issues, and I live in a climate which can get quite hot in summer. In the end, I didn't buy AMD to save a lot of money, but to be able to buy a higher range CPU. There that, and brand loyalty.

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Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

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Boraxman wrote to Cougar428 <=-

I was always under the impression that AMD was faster, because they
were able to make some instructions execute in fewer cycles, whereas
Intel went for speed, as speed was more marketable.

I remember someting to that effect as well...

I also remember when I read the difference between RISC and CISC and
how processes were done. Opened my eyes to more than just 'a chip.'




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Quoting Mortar to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have Hudson run a bypass.

Stay frosty!

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Re: BURP!
By: Cougar428 to MORTAR on Sun May 11 2025 21:35:56

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have
Hudson run a bypass.

"It's the only way to be sure."

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Cougar428 wrote to MORTAR <=-

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Quoting Mortar to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Intel: Once mighty, n
By: Boraxman to Cougar428 on Sat May 10 2025 10:40:14

Don't recall ever seeing any overeating
issues...

You just weren't feeding it enough data. :)
"More input, Steph-enie!"

Whenever my AMD would heat up, I would have Hudson run a bypass.

Stay frosty!

You could solve many problems with a bypass!



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Funny coincidence. I'm re-watching "Halt and Catch Fire" while I'm
reading this.

I keep thinking I should keep watching that. I watched the first episode year
ago and for some reason didn't continue watching it.

IMHO, it is one of those shows you have to watch a few episodes of before
you really get into it. I think I almost quit after the first episode,
too, until I started noticing parallels with real-life IT events that were happening in that same time frame. Then it got more interesting.


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Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

IMHO, it is one of those shows you have to watch a few episodes of
before you really get into it. I think I almost quit after the first episode, too, until I started noticing parallels with real-life IT
events that were happening in that same time frame. Then it got more interesting.

After 4 seasons, they'd done a lot of character building across the
board, and with the time jumps between seasons, you really feel like
there's a lot of history between them all. Well done.

I'd like to see a season 5 with a time jump to now, but it might be anticlimactic. I really just want to know they ended up alright.




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After 4 seasons, they'd done a lot of character building across the
board, and with the time jumps between seasons, you really feel like
there's a lot of history between them all. Well done.

I'd like to see a season 5 with a time jump to now, but it might be anticlimactic. I really just want to know they ended up alright.

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Maybe Wikipedia would have a page about the show Halt and Catch Fire
I never heard of the show so I will go look about it too.
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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-

Cougar428 wrote to ARELOR <=-

I don't buy it. We are already giving the IT industry too much leeway
to produce crappy products. Let them own their failures.

I would be happy to let them own their failure, like I said AMD chips
operated at such a high frequency to one up the competition that they
did actually catch fire. I guess if you never had it happen to you,
you would not appreciate the chaos.

I supported Dell systems for a bunch of years. We started seeing
failures with video failures on one model of laptop. Turned out the
system put out enough heat to make a video component on the
motherboard fail. Dell's solution, rather than re-engineering the
existing motherboards and sending replacements, was to put our a BIOS update that set the fan blowing at a much higher (and more annoying) speed. We were large enough that they sent us a shipment of
replacement systems with re-engineered motherboards to swap some of
them out, but we still had a lot of systems blowing hot air.

I was also a Dell certified tech and replaced alot of motherboards due
to capacitor issues, but I think this was during the time when there
was a bad batch of capacitors and they would bubble and pop up the
ends. Wasn't just Dell at that time if I remember correctly. I was also
certified by Compaq/HP and those had the same issues.

Those were bad times for Dell customers. About the same time, Dell Optiplexes began popping capacitors because of heat buildup. They got really good at swapping out motherboards.

I remember replacing boards in quite a few GX280's.

Sounds like you were at a larger shop than me. I worked for
Computerland and would do factory service calls.

Best regards and have a great day!

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Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Those were bad times for Dell customers. About the same time, Dell Optiplexes began popping capacitors because of heat buildup. They got really good at swapping out motherboards.

I remember replacing boards in quite a few GX280's.

Sounds like you were at a larger shop than me. I worked for
Computerland and would do factory service calls.

I worked for a large internet auction site. Not too hard to figure out
who... :)



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