• Retro DOS

    From Jcurtis@VERT to Dumas Walker on Thu May 15 13:54:22 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Thu May 15 2025 10:41 am

    IIRC, there was some way to copy text in a DV window, but whatever you were trying to paste it into would need to be "DV-aware" (I think) in order to accept the text.

    Right. And DESQTMP?.??? files. DV traps them to a special directory where you can read them as if they exist in your current directory. Might be useful.


    If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads

    Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a thing.


    I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
    readers used to work under DV.

    SLMR was my favorite way back when. But that's for later. Right now I'm having too much fun the hard way.


    As you have some networking going on, you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.

    The Novell DOS FTP client works with my linux FTP server. My client is behind a firewall though. Not sure if that's a problem. I'll see.


    QWK readers (usually) allow you to change the conference number that you
    are going to put your reply into.

    Good to know, if I ever get back to SLMR.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Thu May 15 16:00:34 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to Dumas Walker on Thu May 15 2025 01:54 pm

    Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a thing.

    There was a DSZ for DOS, which I believe could both send and receive via zmodem. From the same author (I believe), there was also a GSZ which was the same but had an ANSI-based "graphical" window showing the file transfer progress.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Fri May 16 09:26:00 2025
    If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads

    Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a
    thing.

    Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like
    pdzmodem.

    I am pretty sure that SLMR and other older DOS QWK packet
    readers used to work under DV.

    SLMR was my favorite way back when. But that's for later. Right now I'm having
    too much fun the hard way.

    ;)


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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Dumas Walker on Fri May 16 11:45:16 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to Dumas Walker on Thu May 15 2025 01:54 pm

    you could also up/download your QWK packets to/from the bbs via ftp.

    The Novell DOS FTP client works with my linux FTP server. My client is behind a firewall though. Not sure if that's a problem. I'll see.

    Now I see ... the Novell FTP client does not support passive mode, and active mode via my linux firewall confounded me at first. But after fiddling with it for a while, I got it working. Now to see about QWK via FTP ... more fun.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Dumas Walker on Fri May 16 11:59:34 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am

    There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

    In a Telnet session shelled to DOS they would need to support I/O via stdin/stdout. Makes me curious to see ...

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Dumas Walker on Fri May 16 17:28:39 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to Dumas Walker on Fri May 16 2025 11:45 am

    Now to see about QWK via FTP

    In the QWK menu I don't see any way. Maybe that's only for sysops? IDK.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Sat May 17 09:41:00 2025
    Now to see about QWK via FTP

    In the QWK menu I don't see any way. Maybe that's only for sysops? IDK.

    No, unless the board is configured differently. You would use the QWK
    menu, via your telnet session, to configure your packet options and choose the areas you want scanned.

    Once you have done that, to download your QWK packet from that synchronet board, you would just use the ftp client to connect to the board's url address (i.e. vert.synchro.net) and then 'get VERT.QWK'. The BBS will create a packet for you and send it.

    To send up REP packets, you just 'put VERT.REP' and the board will know
    what to do with it.

    It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.

    If your ftp client doesn't support passive, it might present some issues
    but others would need to chime in on that.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Sat May 17 09:34:00 2025
    There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

    In a Telnet session shelled to DOS they would need to support I/O via stdin/stdout. Makes me curious to see ...

    Hmmmmm, not sure that DOS compatable versions would know how to do that... others might know... but it might be an interesting experiment.


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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sat May 17 17:39:02 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Sat May 17 2025 09:41 am

    No, unless the board is configured differently. You would use the QWK
    menu, via your telnet session, to configure your packet options and choose the areas you want scanned.

    Once you have done that, to download your QWK packet from that synchronet board, you would just use the ftp client to connect to the board's url address (i.e. vert.synchro.net) and then 'get VERT.QWK'. The BBS will create a packet for you and send it.

    It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet, then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.


    To send up REP packets, you just 'put VERT.REP' and the board will know
    what to do with it.

    Sounds logical.


    If your ftp client doesn't support passive, it might present some issues

    It does not. And it was an issue, until I fixed my firewall to support active FTP. That was no fun, glad it's done.

    Thanks for sharing your know how.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DUMAS WALKER on Sat May 17 21:25:48 2025
    To send up REP packets, you just 'put VERT.REP' and the board will know
    what to do with it.

    Trying one now ...


    It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.

    My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
    mode before transferring. Second try much better.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Sun May 18 08:05:39 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am

    transfer protocol. There is DSZ (th
    official one) and a few other
    DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, l

    Super Zmodem (IIRC) was cool how it let
    you chat and play simple games while
    transfering files.

    Then there was leech Zmodem :D.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jcurtis on Sun May 18 10:00:17 2025
    Jcurtis wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet,
    then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.

    I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.


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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 18 10:49:45 2025
    It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet,
    then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.

    I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.

    Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
    telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JCURTIS on Sun May 18 08:26:00 2025
    It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.

    My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
    mode before transferring. Second try much better.

    Sorry, I forgot to mention the 'binary' step when I was going over how it works. Some ftp clients don't need it but others seem to. I usually try
    to remember to do it just in case!


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to phigan on Mon May 19 08:25:00 2025
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    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on
    Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am

    transfer protocol. There is DSZ (th
    official one) and a few other
    DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, l

    Super Zmodem (IIRC) was cool how it let
    you chat and play simple games while
    transfering files.

    Then there was leech Zmodem :D.

    That was pretty cool. I remember chatting to a friend and playing Tetris with him while we were sending each other files.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 06:24:10 2025
    Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
    telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

    I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
    session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.



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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 19 10:51:22 2025
    Re: Re: Retro DOS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 2025 06:24 am

    I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
    session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.

    Pretty sure it's the same thing if you just log in twice via telnet.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Tue May 20 22:41:00 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Fri May 16 2025 09:26 am

    If your telnet client supports zmodem downloads

    Not internally. It can shell to DOS though. Maybe DOS rz/sz if there is such a
    thing.

    Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

    ZMODEM actually started as a file transfer tool/protocol for UNIX, not DOS (an incremental improvement over YMODEM by Chuck Forsberg) - the program was called 'sz' (for send zmodem) and 'rz' (for receive zmodem) and then later Chuck created DSZ (DOS Send ZMODEM, which does both the send and receive in the same executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Tue May 20 22:44:18 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to DUMAS WALKER on Sat May 17 2025 09:25 pm

    My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
    mode before transferring. Second try much better.

    The Synchronet FTP server *only* supports binary mode, so something else is up. --
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Tue May 20 22:46:01 2025
    Re: Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 18 2025 10:49 am

    It said "no packet, no new messages". But after logging off telnet, then the FTP transfer worked. Won't need the telnet step once I get a cycle started. I like that.

    I think that's meant to preserve your new scan pointers.

    Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via
    telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

    No, nothing is "locked out". You can use the &W command from the main menu (default command shell) to write-out your scan pointers at any time.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Tue May 20 22:46:40 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Dumas Walker to JCURTIS on Sun May 18 2025 08:26 am

    It should work just like interfacing with any other ftp server.

    My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
    mode before transferring. Second try much better.

    Sorry, I forgot to mention the 'binary' step when I was going over how it works. Some ftp clients don't need it but others seem to. I usually try
    to remember to do it just in case!

    The Synchronet FTP server sends all files in binary mode, regardless of what the client does.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 20 22:50:03 2025
    Re: Re: Retro DOS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jcurtis on Mon May 19 2025 06:24 am

    Jcurtis wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Seems like the FTP new scan is locked out while I'm logged in via telnet. Not sure if that's true but it would make sense.

    I can confirm - I use FTP every day and if I'm logged in, the FTP
    session doesn't detect any new messages to pack.

    Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Tue May 20 23:25:34 2025
    My first QWK packet was corrupted. Guess I forgot to set FTP binary
    mode before transferring. Second try much better.

    The Synchronet FTP server *only* supports binary mode, so something else is u

    OK. Guess my FTP client was the problem. Works fine as long as I
    remember to set binary mode.


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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Tue May 20 23:25:35 2025
    Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.

    FTP get VERT.QWK updates my pointers without any extra steps. Works
    good. I don't need to login via telnet.

    No doubt &W is useful in some way unknown to me.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DIGITAL MAN on Wed May 21 09:21:00 2025
    Yep, IIRC, Zmodem started as a DOS transfer protocol. There is DSZ (the official one) and a few other DOS-compatable Zmodem executables, like pdzmodem.

    ZMODEM actually started as a file transfer tool/protocol for UNIX, not DOS (an
    incremental improvement over YMODEM by Chuck Forsberg) - the program was calle
    'sz' (for send zmodem) and 'rz' (for receive zmodem) and then later Chuck created DSZ (DOS Send ZMODEM, which does both the send and receive in the same
    executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.

    LOL, good to know. My first encounter with it was on DOS so it just never occurred to me that it actually started on *NIX. ;)


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Wed May 21 14:04:36 2025
    Re: Re: Retro DOS
    By: Jcurtis to DIGITAL MAN on Tue May 20 2025 11:25 pm

    Use &W from the terminal server (default command shell) to save your message pointers before you download the QWK packet via FTP.

    FTP get VERT.QWK updates my pointers without any extra steps. Works
    good. I don't need to login via telnet.

    No doubt &W is useful in some way unknown to me.

    If you're *also* logged into the terminal server (e.g. via Telnet) at the same time as the FTP server and you make changes to your scan pointers/config on the terminal server, those changes are saved and re-used (e.g. for FTP-downloaded QWK packets) unless you either log-off the terminal server or use the &W command to write your new-scan config/ptrs to disk.
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Digital Man on Wed May 21 14:30:45 2025
    Re: Re: Retro DOS
    By: Digital Man to Jcurtis on Wed May 21 2025 02:04 pm

    If you're *also* logged into the terminal server (e.g. via Telnet) at the same time as the FTP server and you make changes to your scan pointers/config on the terminal server, those changes are saved and re-used (e.g. for FTP-downloaded QWK packets) unless you either log-off the terminal server or use the &W command to write your new-scan config/ptrs to disk.

    So FTP does not see the changes until you logoff telnet, or use the &W shortcut, whichever comes first. I think I see now. Thanks.

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  • From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to Digital Man on Thu May 22 14:11:06 2025
    Re: Retro DOS
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Tue May 20 2025 10:41 pm

    receive in the same executable). Then FDSZ (FOSSIL DSZ) and GSZ (Graphical SZ for DOS) and other variants (proYamm and what not). RIP Chuck.
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