Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ããJust obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.ããTotal newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.)ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIãã... Average is as close to the bottom as it is to the top.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 00:06:44ãã EJ> Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ããI have been for the past few years. Not as a hobby unto itself, but to produce custom functional partsãfor projects and household things. It's been extremely useful.ãã EJ> Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time withã EJ> it. ããI've heard mixed but mostly positive reviews of this. The price seems right.ããI have a Prusa i3 MK3. Very happy with it. Having assembled it from parts makes it a bit easier for meãto troubleshoot hardware problems when they come up.ãã EJ> Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints comeã EJ> out great, only a few failed ones.)ããRead everything you can about fine-tuning your printer - adjusting belts, levelling the bed, setting theãinitial z-axis height, etc. Small changes here and there can make a big difference. Learn about yourãslicer software and make sure you're using the best settings there for your printer. When things are outãof whack (in hardware or software) each problem produces its own symptoms. Follow some forums (Redditãhas several good 3D printing communities) and you'll see what other people are up to, what problems theyãrun into and how they solve them.ããAt one point I was worried that I would spend more time fiddling with the printer itself rather thanãusing it to further my actual projects. Now I'm able to just use it, and outside of regular maintenanceã(also something you should look into) I don't have to mess with it much.ãã---ãechickenãelectronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã þ Synchronet þ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 amãã EJ> Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ãã EJ> Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time withã EJ> it. ãã EJ> Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints comeã EJ> out great, only a few failed ones.) ---ããI haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if I had more room in the house. It still seems like a bit of a novelty to me though, and I'm not quite sure what I'd use one for.. I've heard you can 3D print replacement parts for things around the house though (such as hinges for cabinet doors, etc.).ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: 3d printingã By: echicken to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 01:03 amãã ec> I have been for the past few years. Not as a hobby unto itself, but toã ec> produce custom functional parts for projects and household things. It'sã ec> been extremely useful. ããI've started with some toy/fun type models, I'm now starting to look at useful models for household things. (Shelves, brackets, etc.)ãããI've seen quite a few videos about the Prusa's, they seem quite popular too. It seems to either be the Ender series or the Prusa's that people are going for.ããI think my settings and tolarances are pretty good right now. Tomorrow I'll be getting a new glass plate, so I'll have to adjust the nozzle height again.ããI'm also getting an octaprint kit tomorrow, that should be fun the play with. (Could have set one up myself, but figured a pre-configured kit was easier and not that expensive).ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 11:04 amãã Ni> I haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if Iã Ni> had more room in the house. It still seems like a bit of a novelty to meã Ni> though, and I'm not quite sure what I'd use one for.. I've heard you canã Ni> 3D print replacement parts for things around the house though (such asã Ni> hinges for cabinet doors, etc.). ããMine is actually on my kitchen island, not to big.ããIt does seem like a little bit of a novelty, but it seems like there could be some interesting uses.ããI found some models for some DIY nanoleaf like lights, so I might try printing them soon.ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to echicken on Sun Aug 11 2019 17:56:56ãã EJ> I'll be getting a new glass plate, so I'll have to adjust the nozzleããIf a spring-steel sheet is available for your printer, I'd recommend trying it. Makes it extremely easyãto lift prints off of the bed once they're done. (This is standard with the i3.)ãã EJ> I'm also getting an octaprint kit tomorrow, that should be fun the playã EJ> with. (Could have set one up myself, but figured a pre-configured kit was easier and not that expensããI have an OctoPi set up. It's been useful, especially since the printer is on the other side of the roomãfrom my desk (I wouldn't trust a USB cable that long, nor do I want to shuffle SD cards around). Remoteãmonitoring and timelapse videos are fun extras, and there are some other useful plug-ins.ãã---ãechickenãelectronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã þ Synchronet þ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã

Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ãã > Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time withã > it.ãã > Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints comeã > out great, only a few failed ones.)ã > ---ããWhen you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be able to print meãa nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)ãããMy doctor said I have the body of a 25 year old ... and the mind of a 10 :-/ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ AlleyCat! BBS - http://alleycat.synchro.net:81ã

Re: 3d printingã By: echicken to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 06:37 pmãã ec> If a spring-steel sheet is available for your printer, I'd recommendã ec> trying it. Makes it extremely easy to lift prints off of the bed onceã ec> they're done. (This is standard with the i3.) ããI'll have to look into spring-steel sheets.ããFound one for 17$ here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2DCPGHãããYes, that is part of my main reason for the OctoPi. Getting a little tired with having to pull out the SD card, put gcode on it and move back to the printer.ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Mortifis to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Aug 13 2019 09:56 amãã Mo> When you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be able toã Mo> print me a nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)ããI'm in no way a designer, so I'm not sure how well that would work out. Would probably need an STL file made by someone for that screen.ããI did find a $12 case on Amazon, when looking up the screen:ãhttps://www.amazon.com/Kuman-Raspberry-Screen-Case-Holder/dp/B07K4YFBH9ããPersonally I'd probably buy a case, especially since you can get one as low as $12. Looks a lot nicer than what I'd expect to come off a 3d printer, LOL. :)ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to echicken on Tue Aug 13 2019 11:29:27ãã EJ> Yes, that is part of my main reason for the OctoPi. Getting a little tiredã EJ> with having to pull out the SD card, put gcode on it and move back to the printer.ããYep, it really took a lot of hassle out of the printing process for me. Some slicers will even sendãgcode directly to an OctoPrint server so that you don't have to upload it manually via the web UI. ã(Slic3r does this, anyway, with an option to begin printing immediately after the upload completes.)ãã---ãechickenãelectronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã þ Synchronet þ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Mortifis on Tue Aug 13 2019 11:59:09ãã Mo>> When you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be ableã Mo>> to print me a nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)ãã EJ> I'm in no way a designer, so I'm not sure how well that would work out.ã EJ> Would probably need an STL file made by someone for that screen. ããThere would almost certainly already be one on Thingiverse or similar.ãã EJ> I did find a $12 case on Amazon, when looking up the screen:ããProbably faster and cheaper for him. :)ãã EJ> Personally I'd probably buy a case, especially since you can get one asã EJ> low as $12. Looks a lot nicer than what I'd expect to come off a 3d printer, LOL. :)ããThe main reason I would print one instead would be for whatever extra stuff I might be putting around orãbehind the screen. This would require some design work, but that's where this stuff really comes inãhandy for me. I'm sick of jamming custom projects into off-the-shelf enclosures, and I'd rather produceãa new purpose-built case.ãã---ãechickenãelectronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã þ Synchronet þ electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.comã

Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 11:04 amãã > I haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if I hã > hings around the house though (such as hinges for cabinet doors, etc.).ããI think they are useful for custom things like if you are in need of a case forãyour custom SD hard-drive simulator for a classic computer, and you print out aãbad ass replica of what the commodore 1541 drive looked like, and stick yourãlittle usb SD drive in it. Stuff like that.ããBeyond that 3D printing is going to be big in the future for 2 things:ãã1.. Medical... when they are full on printing replacement organs and skin forãskin grafting... it's almost there.ãã2.. Home purchasing and food... For when you need a new spatula and you go onãto bed bath and beyond and "purchase" the print routine for one and print yourãown. Or, need food and we all have some kind of organic edible crap and someãmachine with flavors all hooked up to the printer, and you call mcdonalds andã"print up" a big mac, yum.ãããThanks,ãZombie Mamboãã---ã þ Synchronet þ +-=[ The Zombie Zone BBS * hcow.dynu.net:61912 ]=-+ã

Re: 3d printingã By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Sep 04 2019 11:41 amãã ZM> 1.. Medical... when they are full on printing replacement organs and skinã ZM> for skin grafting... it's almost there.ããI've heard of prosthetic legs & such bring 3D printed in a couple instances.ãã ZM> 2.. Home purchasing and food... For when you need a new spatula and you goã ZM> on to bed bath and beyond and "purchase" the print routine for one andã ZM> print your own. Or, need food and we all have some kind of organic edibleã ZM> crap and some machine with flavors all hooked up to the printer, and youã ZM> call mcdonalds and "print up" a big mac, yum.ããYou could probably just purchase a spatula pattern once and 3d-print one whenever you need a new spatula. And also, I've heard of NASA (I think) "printing" a pizza for astronauts a while ago.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 amãã > Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ã >ã > Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time withã > it.ã >ã > Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints comeã > out great, only a few failed ones.)ããHello Ernest,ããI have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple of yearsãbut I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includes vintageãstereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deck made by Akaiãand after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that were responsible for playing,ãrecording, FF/RW (everything was manual back then) had started to disintegrate.ãI was able to recreate one that worked perfectly and shared it onãthingiverse.com. About a year after I had shared it, I was contacted by aãbusiness in Montana USA that services and restores the reel to reel decks.ãAparently Akai decks were pleagued with the issue of poor castings and the camsã(there were 4 in each deck) would just crumble after 2-3 decades of use.ããAnyway, I was commisioned by them to create the complete set of cams which tookãa couple of weeks. Nobody makes them any longer and they were used in 15ãdifferent models. Collectors were starving for a new source for them. I amãhappy to share that I made perfect models and sold the rights to them to theãfolks that commisioned me. He's selling them for $75 a set (all four could fitãin the palm of your hand). He's happy, I was very well compensated and theãcommunity is very pleased with them!ããJamesãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Sep 10 2019 02:16 pmãã > Re: 3d printingã > By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 amã > ã > > Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.ã > >ã > > Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time witã > > it.ã > >ã > > Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints comã > > out great, only a few failed ones.)ã > ã > Hello Ernest,ã > ã > I have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple of yeaã > but I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includes vintageã > stereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deck made by Aã > and after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that were responsible for playiã > recording, FF/RW (everything was manual back then) had started to disintegraã > I was able to recreate one that worked perfectly and shared it onã > thingiverse.com. About a year after I had shared it, I was contacted by aã > business in Montana USA that services and restores the reel to reel decks.ã > Aparently Akai decks were pleagued with the issue of poor castings and the cã > (there were 4 in each deck) would just crumble after 2-3 decades of use.ã > ã > Anyway, I was commisioned by them to create the complete set of cams which tã > a couple of weeks. Nobody makes them any longer and they were used in 15ã > different models. Collectors were starving for a new source for them. I amã > happy to share that I made perfect models and sold the rights to them to theã > folks that commisioned me. He's selling them for $75 a set (all four could ã > in the palm of your hand). He's happy, I was very well compensated and theã > community is very pleased with them!ã > ã > Jamesã > ãRecently I pulled some old vinyl from storage and discovered my cheap Emersonãstereo I bought in the 1980's would play them slowly, like the the belt wasãdragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it is common for ãthe rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to sticky mush, andãanother issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gears losingãteeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition of theãplastics.ããAnother observation with just about any electronic vintage device is there'sãquite a few bad of leaky capacitors out there. Some are in such bad shapeãthey are corroding the traces on the circuit boards. I'm sure you ran intoãsimilar problems, but I felt like venting on how it makes collecting oldãitems a bit of a challenge.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: 3d printingã By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 13 2019 10:16 amãã > belt was dragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it isã > common for the rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to stickyã > mush, and another issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gearsã > losingã > teeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition ofã > the plastics.ããI don't remember what it's called, but all the "rubber" in everything we useãtoday isn't rubber, it's man made. After so much time, it revers to it'sãoriginal gooey state. There are products that you can buy that you spray onã"rubber" to preserve and lengthen their life but I've never used them. I hadãto replace a belt in an 8-track player recently and it was stuck on EVERYTHINGãin the deck and was so hard to clean. Once it gets on your skin, it's thereãfor days!!ããGlad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that whole debateãover what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not in it for theãabsolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire process of getting theãrecord out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush to clean the dust off,ãmanually place the needle on the record and then sit back and enjoy looking atãthe album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.ããI have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't have on tapeãor vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but I don't feel anyãconnection to the music like I do when I own the album, reel or cassette. Allãof the hipsters are really helping to revive vinyl and I think that is awesome.ãYou really see so much more NEW music getting released on Vinyl again!ããI rememberwhen I thought $7 was a lot to spend on a record and today it's $20ãor more!! Still, I think it's great!ããMoondog, what kind of music were you into back when your records were new?ãWhat did you pull out of storage? :-) I used to love Van Halen, AC/DC, PatãBenetar, Heart, etc. Now, at 51, I've added a good bit of folk music, someãclassical, and jazz. I'm close to owing all of the Steve Miller Band'sãrecords. Not counting all of the re-releases and live albums (I hate liveãalbums).ããJamesãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

On 09-14-19 16:31, Jamestyree wrote to Moondog <=-ãã Ja> Glad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that wholeã Ja> debate over what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not inã Ja> it for the absolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire processã Ja> of getting the record out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush toã Ja> clean the dust off, manually place the needle on the record and thenã Ja> sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is onã Ja> the jacket.ããYeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charm inãhandling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can'tãcapture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :)ãã Ja> I have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't haveã Ja> on tape or vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but Iã Ja> don't feel any connection to the music like I do when I own the album,ã Ja> reel or cassette. All of the hipsters are really helping to reviveã Ja> vinyl and I think that is awesome. You really see so much more NEWã Ja> music getting released on Vinyl again!ããI think if there's more emphasis on the whole playing experience of vinyl, itsãfuture is assured. Sure, I love the convenience of being able to carry myãentire music collection with me on the phone, but there is something specialãabout the process and experience of spinning a record. :)ããã... BREAKFAST.COM Halted...Cereal Port Not Responding.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 2019 08:33 amãã > Ja> sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is onã > Ja> the jacket.ãã > Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charmã > handling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can'tã > capture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :ãããold vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff. ãhas a warm sound to it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Sep 10 2019 02:16 pmãã Ja> I have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple ofã Ja> years but I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includesã Ja> vintage stereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deckã Ja> made by Akai and after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that wereã Ja> responsible for playing, recording, FF/RW (everything was manual backã Ja> then) had started to disintegrate. I was able to recreate one that workedã Ja> perfectly and shared it on thingiverse.com. About a year after I hadã Ja> shared it, I was contacted by a business in Montana USA that services andã Ja> restores the reel to reel decks. [..snip..]ããThat's awesome, perfect use for a 3d printer. I haven't really started yet with trying to design anything, but having a bit of fun going through thingiverse.ãããThat's great, that there is an actual need for the part you designed and it is helping collectors keep their machines running. A little compensation is nice too... ;)ã---ãErnest J Gainey IIIã þ Synchronet þ LostCause Halfway House BBSã

On 09-15-19 14:05, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã MR> old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.ã MR> has a warm sound to it.ããWith something like 5% intermodulation distorton - something rarely talkedãabout with analog media. To my ears, that muddies the audio a bit, especiallyãwhen there's massed vocals or instruments. But my sensory processing is likelyãdifferent to most.ããA lot of people do say CDs sound "harsh". The cause of this, from what I'veãread, turned out to be the sharp cutoff above 20 kHz, due to the anti aliasingãfilters and relatively low sample rate. At one stage, a CD player wasãreleased, which deliberately allowed aliased audio above 20 kHz to bleedãthrough, and apparently, people did find this one less harsh. Vinyl canãreproduce ultrasonic frequencies well, especially with the right shaped stylus.ã This capability has been used in the 1970s to enable quadrophonic LPs to beãpressed. ããAnd yes, before you say it, MP3, AAC and other lossy compressed audio can soundãnoticably degraded too, though in different ways. Certain audio tracks reallyãshow up these issues. And oddly enough, for me, VBR compression seems to soundãworse than CBR to me.ããã... I am Procrastitron. I will destroy you, eventually.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:05 pmãã >> Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see theãã MR> old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff. ã MR> has a warm sound to it.ããThat could also have something to do with the electronics, not just the fact that it's on vinyl. If you plug a record player into a PC and digitize it, the digitized version should sound the same, but that would depend on the equipment you're playing it back on.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã > Ja> sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is onã > Ja> the jacket.ãã > Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charmã > handling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can'tã > capture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :ãã MR> old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.ã MR> has a warm sound to it.ããI agree. There's really not much doubt about it, especially ãnoticeable when wearing (good) headphones.ããAlong the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashioned ãvacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to a ãmodern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.ãããã... She kept saying I didn't listen to her, or something like that.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:54 pmãã Ga> Along the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashioned ã Ga> vacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to a ã Ga> modern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.ããI could see that with early solid-state amps.. I heard the early solid-state amps weren't very popular because they just didn't sound a sgood, but I think solid-state technology has advanced fairly well. I have a Fender Mustang III v2 amp, which is a solid-state modeling amp that simulates the sound of other Fender amps. It might not sound exactly like the other amps, but IMO it sounds pretty darn good. At its price, I think it's a very good value too.. I previously had a Fender '65 Twin Reissue amp, and I wanted something a bit smaller and lighter, which is why I bought the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.ããI've heard good things about the Boss Katana amps too (which are also solid-state modeling amps).ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 09-15-19 18:54, Gamgee wrote to MRO <=-ãã MR> old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.ã MR> has a warm sound to it.ãã Ga> I agree. There's really not much doubt about it, especiallyã Ga> noticeable when wearing (good) headphones.ããA "warm" sound is often attributed to a modest amount of even harmonicãdistortion, FYI.ãã Ga> Along the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashionedã Ga> vacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to aã Ga> modern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.ããIt depends on the application. Sure, early solid state amps were bad, butãmodern MOSFET amplifiers are a different breed altogether.ããã... Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:05 pmãã > old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.ã > has a warm sound to it.ããI agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that areãFLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to sound asãgood as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my records. :)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: 3d printingã By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:15 pmãã > That's awesome, perfect use for a 3d printer. I haven't really started yetã > with trying to design anything, but having a bit of fun going throughã > thingiverse.ããI can kill a lot oftime looking through Thingiverse! I used TinkerCad (free)ãto design the parts. It looks cartoonish compared to some of the full-fledgedãCAD software out there but once you get used to it, it's really not bad.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Sep 16 2019 08:14 amãã > -=> On 09-15-19 14:05, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-ã >ã > MR> old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.ã > MR> has a warm sound to it.ã >ã > With something like 5% intermodulation distorton - something rarely talkedã > about with analog media. To my ears, that muddies the audio a bit,ã > especially when there's massed vocals or instruments. But my sensoryã > processing is likely different to most.ã >ã > A lot of people do say CDs sound "harsh". The cause of this, from what I'veã > read, turned out to be the sharp cutoff above 20 kHz, due to the antiã > aliasing filters and relatively low sample rate. At one stage, a CD playerã > was released, which deliberately allowed aliased audio above 20 kHz to bleedã > through, and apparently, people did find this one less harsh. Vinyl canã > reproduce ultrasonic frequencies well, especially with the right shapedã > stylus.ããMy hearing is NOT what it used to be! I have trouble hearing the deeper bassãrange and my wife gets on me for turning up the TV as much as I do. I do NOTãhave audiophile level hearing and am amazed at how sensitive some people'sãhearing can be.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pmãã > the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly lessã > expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.ããAre those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:19 pmãã >> the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly lessã >> expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.ãã Ja> Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?ããThose are guitar amps.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to MRO on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:10 pmãã Ja> I agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that areã Ja> FLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to soundã Ja> as good as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my records.ã Ja> :) ããFLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression, as opposed to a format like MP3.. And it's lossless compared to the original digital audio (i.e., WAV file or CD audio track) - All of the digital data is preserved in FLAC format. With MP3, some of the audio data (which many people are not likely to hear) is lost, which results in a smaller file size, but it doesn't 100% match the original data.ããI have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can't sound as good as vinyl. The Nyquist sampling theorem says that if the sample rate is at least double the highest frequency in the audio, the recording can faithfully reproduce the original sound. Some people have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn't enough for some recordings - but these days there are higher definition digital formats (i.e., 24-bit 192khz recordings). Also, I'd think it might depend on the device/hardware you're playing the music on. Record players and devices for playing FLAC/MP3s tend to have different hardware, different speakers, etc., which may have an effect on the sound. Many PCs and laptops use fairly inexpensive audio codecs/hardware, and might not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the sound quality.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 09-19-19 13:17, Jamestyree wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Ja> My hearing is NOT what it used to be! I have trouble hearing theã Ja> deeper bass range and my wife gets on me for turning up the TV as muchã Ja> as I do. I do NOT have audiophile level hearing and am amazed at howã Ja> sensitive some people's hearing can be.ããMy hearing is still pretty good, equivalent to that of a much younger person. ãI did start from a very high base. At 15, I could hear frequencies as high asã27 kHz. In my late 20s, my upper midrange and high frequencies were moreãsensitive than normal. In addition, I have weird sensory processing. ãSometimes it's a nuisance, but OTOH, it's really good for breaking down soundsãinto components that include a representation of what's happened to the soundãsince it was generated. That part is quite sensitive to distortions introducedãby audio hardware and software.ããã... Hors d'oeuvres--a ham sandwich cut into forty pieces.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

On 09-19-19 13:19, Jamestyree wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã Ja> @VIA: VERT/AMSTRADã Ja> Re: Re: 3d printingã Ja> By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pmãã > the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly lessã > expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.ãã Ja> Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?ããYes big difference. Guitar amps don't necessarily need to be "hi fi". Theãright amount and type of distortion can enhance the sound of a guitar. ãValve/tube amps are particularly good at adding the right richness to guitarãsounds.ããã... A power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil!ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

On 09-19-19 10:16, Nightfox wrote to Jamestyree <=-ãã Ni> FLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression,ã Ni> as opposed to a format like MP3.. And it's lossless compared to theã Ni> original digital audio (i.e., WAV file or CD audio track) - All of theã Ni> digital data is preserved in FLAC format. With MP3, some of the audioã Ni> data (which many people are not likely to hear) is lost, which resultsã Ni> in a smaller file size, but it doesn't 100% match the original data.ããAgreed on all counts there. FLAC should sound as good as the source PCM audio.ãã Ni> I have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can'tã Ni> sound as good as vinyl. The Nyquist sampling theorem says that if theã Ni> sample rate is at least double the highest frequency in the audio, theã Ni> recording can faithfully reproduce the original sound. Some peopleããThat's correct.ãã Ni> have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn't enough for someã Ni> recordings - but these days there are higher definition digital formatsããThere is an argument that the ear and brain are subconsciously sensitive toãultrasonic frequencies. We may not directly perceive them, but it appearsãtheir presence or abscence can affect the perceived audio quality. Audio thatãhas the ultrasonic range heavily filtered (e.g. CD) has been said to soundã"harsh" by some people. I recall reading about a CD player (in the 90s Iãthink) that deliberately allowed some of the aliased (> 24 kHz) energy to bleedãthrough, which some people thought sounded better in listening tests. ããAnother possible culprit is severe phase shifting in the upper audioãfrequencies caused by sharp analog filters, necessary at 44.1 kHz samplingãrates. With sample rates as high as 192k, it's possible to do the first stageãof antialiasing filtering digitally, where sharp cutoffs can be achieved withãno phast shifting/distortion. Then, the analog filter can be much simpler,ãbecause it no longer has to filter out audio at 24 kHz, only from around 150ãkHz (the DSP has removed everything else in between), which means no severeãphase shifting in the audible frequency range.ãã Ni> (i.e., 24-bit 192khz recordings). Also, I'd think it might depend onããIn theory, higher sampling rates with good source material should be as good aãsound as you can get, if the rest of the chain is hi fi.ãã Ni> the device/hardware you're playing the music on. Record players andã Ni> devices for playing FLAC/MP3s tend to have different hardware,ã Ni> different speakers, etc., which may have an effect on the sound. Manyã Ni> PCs and laptops use fairly inexpensive audio codecs/hardware, and mightã Ni> not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the soundã Ni> quality.ããThat's true, though the comments about the "harshness" of CDs comes from the hiãfi community from people who had both a CD player and a turntable on the sameãsystem. I'd like to see what they'd think of a good 96 or 192k recording onãquaity hardware.ããã... Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Moondog on Sat Sep 14 2019 04:31 pmãã > Re: 3d printingã > By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 13 2019 10:16 amã > ã > > belt was dragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it ã > > common for the rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to sticã > > mush, and another issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gearã > > losingã > > teeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition ofã > > the plastics.ã > ã > I don't remember what it's called, but all the "rubber" in everything we useã > today isn't rubber, it's man made. After so much time, it revers to it'sã > original gooey state. There are products that you can buy that you spray onã > "rubber" to preserve and lengthen their life but I've never used them. I haã > to replace a belt in an 8-track player recently and it was stuck on EVERYTHIã > in the deck and was so hard to clean. Once it gets on your skin, it's thereã > for days!!ã > ã > Glad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that whole debatã > over what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not in it for theã > absolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire process of getting theã > record out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush to clean the dust off,ã > manually place the needle on the record and then sit back and enjoy looking ã > the album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.ã > ã > I have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't have on taã > or vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but I don't feel anyã > connection to the music like I do when I own the album, reel or cassette. Aã > of the hipsters are really helping to revive vinyl and I think that is awesoã > You really see so much more NEW music getting released on Vinyl again!ã > ã > I rememberwhen I thought $7 was a lot to spend on a record and today it's $2ã > or more!! Still, I think it's great!ã > ã > Moondog, what kind of music were you into back when your records were new?ã > What did you pull out of storage? :-) I used to love Van Halen, AC/DC, Patã > Benetar, Heart, etc. Now, at 51, I've added a good bit of folk music, someã > classical, and jazz. I'm close to owing all of the Steve Miller Band'sã > records. Not counting all of the re-releases and live albums (I hate liveã > albums).ã > ã > Jamesã > ãI have several older AC/DC albums, Nazareth, Eagles, Foriegner, Bob Seagar,ãStyx, plus some others I recovered that were older, like some Johnny Cash,ãJanis Joplin, Young Rascals, the Animals, and Rolling Stones. I thinkãthere's some Beatles stuff in the cabinet.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:39 amãã > -=> On 09-19-19 13:19, Jamestyree wrote to Nightfox <=-ã > ã > Ja> @VIA: VERT/AMSTRADã > Ja> Re: Re: 3d printingã > Ja> By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pmã > ã > > the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly lessã > > expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.ã > ã > Ja> Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?ã > ã > Yes big difference. Guitar amps don't necessarily need to be "hi fi". Theã > right amount and type of distortion can enhance the sound of a guitar.ã > Valve/tube amps are particularly good at adding the right richness to guitarã > sounds.ã > ã > ã > ... A power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil!ãMost musicians choose an amplifier not for it's accurate sound reproduction,ãbut for it's flawed design characteristics (harmonic distortion, unevenãfrequency response.) Same goes with vintage speakers. The only time aãguitarist wants a clean amp and good speakers is when they produce their soundãbefore the amp via effects boards or pedals,and want only amplification. Howãit was explained to me was vacuum tubes produce warm even harmonics, whileãtransistors produce harsher odd harmonics. Some of this is aged informationãor heresay, due to the changes over the years from germanium to siliconãtransistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonically similarãto vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as op amps there areãfolks who swear one vendor's version of the same chip sounds way better evenãthough their specs are slightly different.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

On 09-20-19 01:29, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Mo> Most musicians choose an amplifier not for it's accurate soundã Mo> reproduction, but for it's flawed design characteristics (harmonicã Mo> distortion, uneven frequency response.) Same goes with vintageã Mo> speakers. The only time a guitarist wants a clean amp and good speakersããThat's true, and the introducton of musician's equipment into a thread that wasãoriginally about the fidenity of recording media (vinyl and digital) reallyãmuddied the waters, because there is a big difference between creation (whereãimperfections can be part of the artistic process) and faithful reproduction ofãmusicãã Mo> is when they produce their sound before the amp via effects boards orã Mo> pedals,and want only amplification. How it was explained to me wasã Mo> vacuum tubes produce warm even harmonics, while transistors produceã Mo> harsher odd harmonics. Some of this is aged information or heresay,ã Mo> due to the changes over the years from germanium to siliconããTubes have a couple of differences to transistors in practical circuits. ãFirstly, for moderate power levels, tube power amplifiers are often "singleãended", which has the second harmonic as its strongest harmonic. ãTransistorised amps, including MOSFETs are usually configured as aãcomplementary pair, which tends to cancel out even harmonics. Not the best forãmusicians, who want those even harmonics. Tube aplifiers also almost awaysãhave transformer coupled outputs, which are another source of distortion (forãbetter or worse), due to their iron core. Modern (hi fi) amps are generally DCãcoupled to the speakers.ãã Mo> transistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonicallyã Mo> similar to vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as opã Mo> amps there are folks who swear one vendor's version of the same chipã Mo> sounds way better even though their specs are slightly different.ããIt also depends on the exact circuit design used.ããã... Dachshund kennel ad: Get a long little doggie.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to Jamestyree on Thu Sep 19 2019 10:16 amãã > Re: Re: 3d printingã > By: Jamestyree to MRO on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:10 pmã > ã > Ja> I agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that ã > Ja> FLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to sounã > Ja> as good as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my recordã > Ja> :)ã > ã > FLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression, as oã > With MP3, some of the audio data (which many people are not likely to hear) ã > ã > I have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can't soundã > ginal sound. Some people have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn'tã > you're playing the music on. Record players and devices for playing FLAC/MPã > not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the sound quality.ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããI feel like I can hear the difference. Always did even back when cd's firstãcame out. There are for sure better/higher quality formats now. But you getãinto streaming issues with the size differences. Satellite radio is oneãindustry that streams low-quality. I don't know what format they use, but itãsux.ãI bet there's a higher tier service you can pay for that is lossless or atãleast better. But it seems like im listening to a 128k mp3 when i listen toãSirius. When i flip to a CD or FM it's like night and day difference.ããSo i canceled my subscription.ãããFLAC is an excellent format.ãI won't rip songs to mp3 and I won't download music if its under 320kbpsãbecause like you said, you can notice it.ããFunny, audiophiles seem to swear by analog. I do too.ãThere's a certain warmth, hum, ambience from recordings made pre-digital thatãgive body to the songs you don't hear when you play their digital versions onãthe same equipment.ãããThanks,ãZombie Mamboãã---ã þ Synchronet þ +-=[ The Zombie Zone BBS * hcow.dynu.net:61912 ]=-+ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:50 pmãã ZM> I feel like I can hear the difference. Always did even back when cd'sã ZM> first came out. There are for sure better/higher quality formats now. Butã ZM> you get into streaming issues with the size differences. Satellite radioã ZM> is one industry that streams low-quality. I don't know what format theyã ZM> use, but it sux.ã ZM> I bet there's a higher tier service you can pay for that is lossless or atã ZM> least better. But it seems like im listening to a 128k mp3 when i listenã ZM> to Sirius. When i flip to a CD or FM it's like night and day difference.ãã ZM> So i canceled my subscription.ããI stream music occasionally, but not a whole lot. Mostly I tend to play music from my own collection.ãã ZM> FLAC is an excellent format.ã ZM> I won't rip songs to mp3 and I won't download music if its under 320kbpsã ZM> because like you said, you can notice it.ããI like to rip to FLAC, and I keep the FLAC files around, but I tend to convert to MP3 to play on my devices since the MP3s are smaller. I started using variable-bitrate MP3 (about 96kbit to 320) a few years ago. It sounds pretty good to me.ãã ZM> Funny, audiophiles seem to swear by analog. I do too.ã ZM> There's a certain warmth, hum, ambience from recordings made pre-digitalã ZM> that give body to the songs you don't hear when you play their digitalã ZM> versions on the same equipment.ããOne thing I think is funny is that some music (I thought most music these days) is recorded digitally for the master, so any analog copies (vinyl, etc.) would be based on a digital master. An early example is Dire Straits' album "Brothers In Arms", which was recorded digitally, but I've seen FLACs going around that were recorded from the vinyl. If something has a digital master recording, I doubt that creating a vinyl copy would make it sound better, and if it does sound better, I think that's a sign that the quality has more to do with the electronics of the player than the storage medium.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 08:18 pmãã > Tubes have a couple of differences to transistors in practical circuits.ã > Firstly, for moderate power levels, tube power amplifiers are often "singleã > ended", which has the second harmonic as its strongest harmonic.ã > Transistorised amps, including MOSFETs are usually configured as aã > complementary pair, which tends to cancel out even harmonics. Not the best ã > musicians, who want those even harmonics. Tube aplifiers also almost awaysã > have transformer coupled outputs, which are another source of distortion (foã > better or worse), due to their iron core. Modern (hi fi) amps are generallyã > coupled to the speakers.ã > ã > Mo> transistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonicallyã > Mo> similar to vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as opã > Mo> amps there are folks who swear one vendor's version of the same chipã > Mo> sounds way better even though their specs are slightly different.ã > ã > It also depends on the exact circuit design used.ã > ã > ã > ... Dachshund kennel ad: Get a long little doggie.ãSpeaking of high end audio, I remember a challenge presented by the AmazingãRandi to a maker of high end audio cables. He challenged them by saying even iãself proclaimed and well established audiophiles would not be able to tellãthe[ difference between their high end cables and a set of Monster cables heãpicked up at Best Buy. The problem was none of these "audio experts" would sucãbmit to a blind test because choosing the cheaper cable may ruin theirãreputations. I also recall Denon or a simialr company was trying to market aãproprietary cable format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300ãfor a 6 foot cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order toãperform his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme. ãThe "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

On 09-21-19 00:43, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Mo> Speaking of high end audio, I remember a challenge presented by theã Mo> Amazing Randi to a maker of high end audio cables. He challenged themã Mo> by saying even i self proclaimed and well established audiophiles wouldã Mo> not be able to tell the[ difference between their high end cables and aã Mo> set of Monster cables he picked up at Best Buy. The problem was noneããYeah, there was a lot of dodgy stuff going on with cables. The truth, AFAIK isãas long as the impedance of the cable is low enough not to be significant, theãcable should be audibly "transparent". Heavy enough elevtrical wire should doãthe trick.ãã Mo> of these "audio experts" would suc bmit to a blind test becauseã Mo> choosing the cheaper cable may ruin their reputations. I also recallã Mo> Denon or a simialr company was trying to market a proprietary cableã Mo> format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300 for a 6 footã Mo> cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order to performã Mo> his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme. Theã Mo> "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.ããHmm, a fool and their money.... ;)ããã... Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-ãã Mo> format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300 for a 6 footã Mo> cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order to performã Mo> his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme. Theã Mo> "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.ãã Vk> Hmm, a fool and their money.... ;)ããThe Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) onãAmazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertainingãread if you can find it.ãããã... Consider different fading systemsã--- MultiMail/XT v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Re: 3d printingã By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 2019 12:58 amãã > I have several older AC/DC albums, Nazareth, Eagles, Foriegner, Bob Seagar,ã > Styx, plus some others I recovered that were older, like some Johnny Cash,ã > Janis Joplin, Young Rascals, the Animals, and Rolling Stones. I thinkã > there's some Beatles stuff in the cabinet.ããAh, Nazareth. The first concert that I ever attended was Nazareth's. I wasãstill in middle school and my older brother took me. Talk about jaw dropping!ãI have two or three Johnny Cash albums. I didn't get into the more alternativeãsounding stuff until college after meeting my future wife. She grew up withãMTV and had a lot more exposure than I had, growing up in Charleston WV.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 2019 09:37 amãã> ã > Yeah, there was a lot of dodgy stuff going on with cables. The truth, AFAIKã > as long as the impedance of the cable is low enough not to be significant, tã > cable should be audibly "transparent". Heavy enough elevtrical wire should ã > the trick.ã > ãThe company making the claims would support their quality claims by showingãloads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation, however Randiãsaid that was immaterial since he wanted a human "expert"to tell them apart inãa blind test, not an oscilloscope. They may have been better in the ways ofãmaterials and manufacturing, however the doubt was if their $500 cable wasãmore noticeable than a $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price wasãno concern, since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going toãbother with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

On 09-22-19 06:57, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã pF> The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) onã pF> Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertainingã pF> read if you can find it.ããI bet, sounds good for a giggle! :Dããã... Always hire a rich attorney. Never buy from a rich salesman.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

On 09-22-19 16:06, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Mo> The company making the claims would support their quality claims byã Mo> showing loads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation,ã Mo> however Randi said that was immaterial since he wanted a humanã Mo> "expert"to tell them apart in a blind test, not an oscilloscope. TheyããWell, the product is marketed for use by humans, so actual double blindãlistening tests makes the most sense.ãã Mo> may have been better in the ways of materials and manufacturing,ã Mo> however the doubt was if their $500 cable was more noticeable than aã Mo> $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price was no concern,ã Mo> since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going to botherã Mo> with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.ããYes, I reckon they would easily sell them. Me? I have too much Scots in myãancestry. I'm prepared to spend money for quality, but I'd still pay $50-$100ãfor decent electrical cable (copper is still somewhat expensive) than wastingã$500 on something of dubious benefit. ããã... A wholesome mind is wasted potential.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:57 amãã PF> The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) onã PF> Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertainingã PF> read if you can find it.ããRecently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that said "streaming internet cable".ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 11:12 amãã > -=> On 09-22-19 16:06, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ã > ã > Mo> The company making the claims would support their quality claims byã > Mo> showing loads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation,ã > Mo> however Randi said that was immaterial since he wanted a humanã > Mo> "expert"to tell them apart in a blind test, not an oscilloscope. Theyã > ã > Well, the product is marketed for use by humans, so actual double blindã > listening tests makes the most sense.ã > ã > Mo> may have been better in the ways of materials and manufacturing,ã > Mo> however the doubt was if their $500 cable was more noticeable than aã > Mo> $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price was no concern,ã > Mo> since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going to botherã > Mo> with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.ã > ã > Yes, I reckon they would easily sell them. Me? I have too much Scots in myã > ancestry. I'm prepared to spend money for quality, but I'd still pay $50-$1ã > for decent electrical cable (copper is still somewhat expensive) than wastinã > $500 on something of dubious benefit.ã > ã > ã > ... A wholesome mind is wasted potential.ããYou pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and direction arrowsãembossed in the connectors.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 amãã > Re: Re: 3d printingã > By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:57 amã > ã > PF> The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) onã > PF> Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertainingã > PF> read if you can find it.ã > ã > Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that saã > ã > Nightfoxã > ãMakes sense. Not the most technical term, but close enough for aãnon-technical consumer.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

On 09-23-19 14:32, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Mo> You pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and directionã Mo> arrows embossed in the connectors.ããNot the sort of thing I'd pay extra for. ;)ããã... I don't do drugs. I get the same effect just standing up fast.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Tue Sep 24 2019 09:49 pmãã > -=> On 09-23-19 14:32, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ã > ã > Mo> You pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and directionã > Mo> arrows embossed in the connectors.ã > ã > Not the sort of thing I'd pay extra for. ;)ã > ã > ã > ... I don't do drugs. I get the same effect just standing up fast.ãNot my cup of tea either, but some dig all the extra bells and whistlesãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:52 pmãã > One thing I think is funny is that some music (I thought most music these daã > was recorded digitally, but I've seen FLACs going around that were recordedã > at the quality has more to do with the electronics of the player than the stããI would agree with you on that.ãThat is funny.ãããThanks,ãZombie Mamboãã---ã þ Synchronet þ +-=[ The Zombie Zone BBS * hcow.dynu.net:61912 ]=-+ã

On 09-24-19 11:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Mo> Not my cup of tea either, but some dig all the extra bells and whistlesããI'd rather pay for the stuff that does the actual work, and spend simply enoughãon cable able to offer a low enough impedance for best results.ããã... Operating system overwritten. Terribly sorry.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 amãã > Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package thatã > said "streaming internet cable".ã >ã > NightfoxããIt's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level ofãabstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digitalãworld. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not all)ãcould use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed.ãIt's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they knowãis that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Justãsad.ããJamesãã---ã þ Synchronet þ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Wed Sep 25 2019 05:25 pmãã > Re: Re: 3d printingã > By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 amã > ã > > Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package thatã > > said "streaming internet cable".ã > >ã > > Nightfoxã > ã > It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level oã > abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digiã > world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not allã > could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed.ã > It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they kã > is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Juã > sad.ã > ã > Jamesã > ããlol. 35 years ago I wrote a report in school on how computers will become asãcommon an appliance as a TV or telephone, and even more when every gets accessã to a high speed data line. Teacher gave me B because I had a goodãimagination, but otherwise said the idea was ridiculous. Who would want toãcarry around a computer, let alone have more than one? No one would want oneãin their living room. I ran into him a couple of years ago, and all he hadãto say was, "yep. You were right."ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Wed Sep 25 2019 08:36 pmãã > > It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a leveã > > abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the dã > > world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not ã > > could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're neededã > > It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All theã > > is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. ã > > sad.ã > >ã > > Jamesã > >ã > ã > lol. 35 years ago I wrote a report in school on how computers will become aã > common an appliance as a TV or telephone, and even more when every gets acceã > to a high speed data line. Teacher gave me B because I had a goodã > imagination, but otherwise said the idea was ridiculous. Who would want toã > carry around a computer, let alone have more than one? No one would want onã > in their living room. I ran into him a couple of years ago, and all he hadã > to say was, "yep. You were right."ã > ããThis reminds me of my youth... I tried to explain to my parents and uncles inã1982/1983 what a bbs was. How computers could connect and interact over theãphone. What email was.ããMy uncle, who is now a retired CPA and who was then a realtor sat in front ofãmy TI and said "Tell it calculate a load amortization table" and I had toãexplain you can't just ask it to do things.ããHe pulled out his calculater and showed me the formula.ãI wrote a program in basic in about 5 minutes and ran it.ãSame performance as calculater.ãã"So why would i want a computer that big when I can carry a calculator".ãã"because, at the office, the 15 agents can all have a terminal and run programsãand never carry a calculator. They can also send emails to/from other agentsãall over the state without making phone calls". <--- I found out later thatãwas the "MLS" system was already in place... and that most real estate officesãhad an official MLS modem/printer that would print everything out. No screen.ããI watched how they connected it, and figured out you could dial it with aãcomputer and a terminal program as long as you knew your office's id/pwd.ããSuddenly, the broker and agents were "working from home"...ããtoday, these same people act like they are hip to the technology and of courseãall have smartphones and facebook accounts.ããthey also still have fax machines. can't let go can they.ããI'm rambling.ããSo many of us as mere children were imagining a future for computers whereãdaily tasks were being not replaced, but augmented and made easier.ããToday's kids are crying about global warming and the fact that Forever 21 isãgoing out of business because Trump is evil.ãããThanks,ãZombie Mamboãã---ã þ Synchronet þ +-=[ The Zombie Zone BBS * hcow.dynu.net:61912 ]=-+ã

Re: Re: 3d printingã By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Wed Sep 25 2019 05:25 pmãã > It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level oã > abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digiã > world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not allã > could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed.ã > It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they kã > is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Juã > sad.ã > ã > JamesãããJames, I'm sorry, but it's always been that way and it's absolutely ridiculousãto expect otherwise. We geeks live in a bubble that's tinier than we'd likeãto admit, made full with our obsessive drive to understand minutae. We areãfools to expect that from other people, especially end users that just wantãthe damn technology to work. And I wouldn't have it any other way -- call itãjob security.ããAnd these same people we could easily criticize for not knowing tcp/ip andã802.11 will surprise you with skills, talents, insights, and hobbies mostãgeeks wouldn't imagine. ããLighten up. ;)ãããã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

On 10-02-19 05:18, Nitewaves wrote to Jamestyree <=-ãã Ni> James, I'm sorry, but it's always been that way and it's absolutelyã Ni> ridiculous to expect otherwise. We geeks live in a bubble that's tinierã Ni> than we'd like to admit, made full with our obsessive drive toã Ni> understand minutae. We are fools to expect that from other people,ã Ni> especially end users that just want the damn technology to work. And Iã Ni> wouldn't have it any other way -- call it job security.ããYes, everyone has their niche of knowledge, and when you spend your time soleyãwithin that bubble, it's easy to lose perspective. ãã Ni> And these same people we could easily criticize for not knowing tcp/ipã Ni> and 802.11 will surprise you with skills, talents, insights, andã Ni> hobbies most geeks wouldn't imagine.ããTrue. I have my feet in a few camps. I'm definitely a tech geek, and know myãway around networks and related things. However, I'm also a Masters athlete,ãand that comes with its own level of jargon, technical stuff, measurements andãmetrics, processes, procedures and culture, every bit as intricate as IT. :)ããã... Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã