I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's ãjunk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen ãperoxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ããIf I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go ãretro for a while.ããI just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2 ãports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.ããã... Remove ambiguities and convert to specificsã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Re: Bleach Time!ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 09:28 amãã PF> I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from myã PF> mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment withã PF> hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ããI remember when those old Microsoft mice seemed like the thing to have. And I remember seeing things like the Microsoft IntelliMouse software the first time with things like pointer tracking etc. and thinking it was pretty cool.ãã PF> If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go ã PF> retro for a while.ããMy dad likes those, and he uses one. I always thought they're too noisy though.. I don't like to be able to hear someone typing on their keyboard so loudly all the time though.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Bleach Time!ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 09:28 amãã > I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom'sã > junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogenã > peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ã >ã > If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and goã > retro for a while.ã >ã > I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2ã > ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.ã >ã >ã > ... Remove ambiguities and convert to specificsããthe plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint itã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from myã pF> mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment withã pF> hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ããno idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great resultsãwith retrobriteããhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDYããI've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth aãsearch for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos likeãthat several timesã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: hal to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 07 2021 02:38 pmãã > pF> I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from myã > pF> mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment withã > pF> hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ã >ã > no idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great resultsã > with retrobriteã >ã > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDYã >ã > I've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth aã > search for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos likeã > that several timesããthis is interesting. apparently the plastic is so porous it's trapping something from the air that makes it a uniform yellow. the things with hydrogen peroxide are getting in there and releasing the stains.ããi wonder what that yellow shit is. it's not human dirt. contaminants in our air. in my uncle's case it would be cig smoke.ããi've had old stuff like that but it didnt get that nasty yellow. i'm also not a smoker.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogeã MR> > peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ã MR> ã MR> the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint itããyou're talking about something people do on youtube all the time.. with greatãsuccess..ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

On 07 Mar 2021, hal said the following...ã ãthis message is confusing because it has no origin line. i thought it wasãlocal for a second.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: fusion to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:53 pmãã > MR> > junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment withã > MR> > hydroge peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ã >ã > MR> the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint itã >ã > you're talking about something people do on youtube all the time.. withã > great success..ããyeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.ãããi've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.ãããarent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?ããya. though now it's neither sync nor os/2. bit of a shame not to be reppingãbig blue, but the missing modern features list (if things like long filenameãsupport can be called modern) in original sync kinda got old.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pmãã MR> yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from somethingã MR> else. i'd like to know what that something else is. ãã MR> i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is fromã MR> smokers. ããI've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight too much.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: fusion to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 11:21 pmãã > MR> arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?ã >ã > ya. though now it's neither sync nor os/2. bit of a shame not to be reppingã > big blue, but the missing modern features list (if things like long filenameã > support can be called modern) in original sync kinda got old.ãããso did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to use mystic?ã:D :D :Dã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pmã >ã > MR> yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from somethingã > MR> else. i'd like to know what that something else is.ã >ã > MR> i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this isã > MR> from smokers.ã >ã > I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlightã > too much.ã >ããnow the internet says that uv light combines with the flame retardant bromine to make plastic yellow. and it has a pic of a super nintendo and now i remember my snes getting yellow on the bottom after i let my kid use it.ããhowtogeek also says using h2o2 doesnt stop it from happening again and might make the plastic brittle.ããwhats weird is they say to use uv light to help the process.ããi think in today's 3d printer age people would be better off getting new parts printed if they want something new looking.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

so did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to useã MR> mystic? :D :D :Dããmy old apartment had a long flight of stairs... XDããno special reason really though, other than friends using it and beingãcurious.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom'sã >junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogenã >peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.ããPF>If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and goã >retro for a while.ããPF>I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2ã >ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.ãããThat reminds me.. The keyboard I'm typing this on, which I've used daily sinceãit was almost new, has a 'birthday' coming up. The manufacture date is on theãback.. June 6th, 1991. At one point I changed the Large DIN connector on itãover to a PS2, and since then I've used it with various PS2 computers thenãlater with an adapter to USB.ããOn another subject..ããMaybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most of theãtime is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web sites that won'tãrun on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A Mozilla variation from aboutã2010). Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista toãhave occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of somethingãnewer my only option?ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ .. After we pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is NOT our friend!ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-ãã RM> Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use mostã RM> of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more webã RM> sites that won't run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (Aã RM> Mozilla variation from about 2010). Would it be possible to run aã RM> Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to have occasional access to a newerã RM> browser or is a full reinstall of something newer my only option?ããYou'd be better off doing at least an upgrade, if you could, to Windows 10. ãHow much memory do you have in your computer, and how big is your disk?ããA cheap, external USB drive could make the process much easier; Windows 10 ãhas the same backup program that 7 does, and could probably read a Vista ãbackup too.ããã... Abandon desireã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Rob Mccart to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Mar 08 2021 12:16 amãã > Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most of theã > time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web sites that won'ã > run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A Mozilla variation from abouã > 2010). Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista toã > have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of somethinã > newer my only option?ããIt should be doable as long as you have enough RAM and CPU cycles to spare.ããAnother alternative if it is just for a couple of sites, is to get a copy ofãKnoppix. Knoppix is a operating system that you can boot from a DVD andãexecutes without touching anything in your hard drive. Recent versions comeãwith Chromium and Mozilla Firefox. You just put the DVD in the tray and rebootãthe computer, et voila, the computer will boot to an operating system that willãcompletely disappear once you turn the computer off.ããA lot of people use this sort of solution for their online banking. Since youãare booting into a fresh operating system each time you boot Knoppix, it isãharder to get persistent malware infections.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use mostãRM> of the time is running VistaãRM> Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on VistaããPF>You'd be better off doing at least an upgrade, if you could, to Windows 10.ã >How much memory do you have in your computer, and how big is your disk?ããI'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).ãSingle core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboard supports,ãwhich is only 2 gig.ããIf worse comes to worse I can copy everything I use over to another Laptop Iãhave that's already running Windows 7 but Vista runs a lot better with oldãsoftware than newer Windows versions do. Saves trying to get things runningãproperly through DOS Box..ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ I feel much better since I gave up hope...ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on VistaããAR>It should be doable as long as you have enough RAM and CPU cycles to spare.ããGood question.ããAR>Another alternative if it is just for a couple of sites, is to get a copy ofã >Knoppix. Knoppix is a operating system that you can boot from a DVDããI'll keep that in mind. I was sort of hoping for something that I could simplyãstart up without having to reboot. So far it's not a crippling problem and Iãhave other computers and a Cell Phone and Tablet that usually work on the webãsites that the old browsers can't manage.. And the phone is my internet sourceãso it is there and on anyways.ããI was just trying to squeeze a little more life out of some old hardware. B)ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ No, you CAN'T dial 911.. Can't you see I'm downloading?ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).ã RM> Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboardã RM> supports, which is only 2 gig.ããi recently set up (and quickly abandoned) a Pentium 4 3.2GHz machine withãWindows 7.. 4GB of ram. loading a web browser brought me back to my Windowsã95 days.. chug chug chug.ããi will say that it seemed to run bbs/dos software o.k. though some thingsãused full cpu that i didn't expect, and not having actual additional coresãmeant multitasking definitely felt unpleasant. (i.e. additional nodes wouldãlikely affect each other)ããi replaced it with a Lenovo E31 (still Windows 7.. 32-bit) and it seems to beãthe sweet spot. and fairly inexpensive. hopefully i can baby it until i'm longãgone.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-ãã RM> I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).ã RM> Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboardã RM> supports, which is only 2 gig.ããI've run 7 on a similar system. It ran, but not very quickly. 32-bit Windows ã10 might have a better time, surprisingly.ããããã... Change ambiguities to specificsã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).ãRM> Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboardãRM> supports, which is only 2 gig.ããFU>i recently set up (and quickly abandoned) a Pentium 4 3.2GHz machine withã >Windows 7.. 4GB of ram. loading a web browser brought me back to my Windowsã >95 days.. chug chug chug.ããHard to believe you got a P4 Motherboard that supports 4GB of ram.ãMy last Desktop was a 3.0Ghz P4 with 512 Meg of Ram in it but I had to prettyãmuch give up on it due to limited options for things like Browsers.ããFU>i replaced it with a Lenovo E31 (still Windows 7.. 32-bit) and it seems to beã >the sweet spot. and fairly inexpensive. hopefully i can baby it until i'm lonã >gone.ããI'm guessing they are still using that name on a greatly upgarded system. (?)ãI tried looking that up and found one listed (discontinued) but it was runningãan I7 5th Gen Core which is probably not what yours is..ããI don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, other thanãthe problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore.ãUnfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..ãI do have a low end HP Dual Core Win7 Laptop with 4GB of Ram, upgradable toã8GB, which I will probably have to change over to for my main machine beforeãtoo long..ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ CAUTION: Try this on somebody else's computer firstã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hard to believe you got a P4 Motherboard that supports 4GB of ram.ããyeah.. probably the tail end of that generation i'd guessãã RM> system. (?) I tried looking that up and found one listed (discontinued)ã RM> but it was running an I7 5th Gen Core which is probably not what yoursã RM> is..ããthis one is an i5-3550. which according to google is from 2012. the one i gotãis still available on eBay for $99, but i had to get a hard drive for it (it'sãpretty common for lenovos to be from bigger companies so they destroy theãhard drives and send the rest to refurbishers).ãã RM> I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, otherã RM> than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore.ã RM> Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..ããsounds like you're a bit like me.. i clung to OS/2, Windows 2000, Windows XP,ãWindows 7, and probably will Windows 10 too..ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, otherãRM> than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore.ãRM> Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..ããFU>sounds like you're a bit like me.. i clung to OS/2, Windows 2000, Windows XP,ã >Windows 7, and probably will Windows 10 too..ããMy jumps were fewer. Apple II to IBM DOS3 to Win95 to Win 98 then Windows 7.ãThe Vista system was a Laptop someone was tossing that I repaired and sort ofãliked because most things ran on it and it's much more friendly with OLDãsoftware than Windows 7 is.ããUp until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much as humanlyãpossible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OS where it did aãlot more than older versions but the user still had more direct control overãit. I did a lot of manually editing the Registry and tricking it into doingãthings it was never designed to do. But I got into computers when Windows 3ãwas still a distant dream and I had to write my own Operating Systems and aãlot of my own programs and games so I guess I liked having the option ofãhopping into DOS in the background to do some things..ããI finally had to break down and get a Windows 7 Laptop to do some thingsãthat a lack of updates finally made impossible.ãI don't mind Windows 7 all that much but it always seems every new releaseãis more protective of itself allowing the user less and less control.ãI've used Windows 10 a little at other people's places but I'd have to startãover again to figure out how to work around the way Windows intended.. B)ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humorã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much asã RM> humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OSã RM> where it did a lot more than older versions but the user still had moreã RM> direct control over it. I did a lot of manually editing the Registry andããyeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windowsã95 promises polished up and functional.ããit's a shame microsoft won't clean it upãto it's most recent state, slap a giant disclaimer on it and offer it up forã$50 on Steam or something. i'd get a a copy just for kicks.. throw in inãVirtualBox or something.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Fri Mar 19 2021 12:31 amãã RM> I finally had to break down and get a Windows 7 Laptop to do some thingsã RM> that a lack of updates finally made impossible.ã RM> I don't mind Windows 7 all that much but it always seems every new releaseã RM> is more protective of itself allowing the user less and less control.ã RM> I've used Windows 10 a little at other people's places but I'd have toã RM> start over again to figure out how to work around the way Windowsã RM> intended..ããI've been using PCs for a long time (I started using IBM compatibles around the late 90s, when DOS was big and Wnidows 3 was coming around). I like having control of my PC. It seems most people these days though don't care so much about having total control; they just want to do stuff with it. Modern operating systems are made in a way to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.ããI does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: fusion to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 19 2021 07:51 pmãã fu> yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the littleã fu> windows 95 promises polished up and functional.ããWindows 98 was good, but I remember one recurring problem I had with Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there may have been a fix for that at some point though.ããWindows ME tends to get a lot of hate, but I ran ME for a little while and didn't have a problem with it.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

*** Quoting Nightfox from a message to Rob Mccart ***ãã Ni> I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me fromã Ni> running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or otherã Ni> restrictions.ããYup, I downloaded Syncterm 1.2a the other day and Credge (Chromium Edge) was ãwarning me that the file was "untrustworthy" and could "harm your computer".ããI was like f@*# off and let me run the damn file!ããJayãã... Shout out to the people that don't know what the opposite of in is!ãã--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mLã * Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (99:99/2)ã

On 20 Mar 2021, Nightfox said the following...ã ã Ni> Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would getã Ni> stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there mayããyou see this a little even today.. windows trying to be smart about thingsãlike checking if programs have unsaved data, and cleaning up a bit afterãitself. at least now you can tell it "just die already.." heheãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much asãRM> humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OSããFU>yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windowsã >95 promises polished up and functional.ããYes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many things likeãdecent USB support and (not always from Microsoft) universal drivers forãthings like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.ããAnother advantage was, being so 'out of date', it was virtually Virus immuneãsince no one was aiming at it..ããIf it supported newer browsers I'd still be running it on my main machine.ãBest I could manage was the 2011 release of Opera (Mozilla based I believe).ãNewer Opera versions are Chrome based, or probably I should say Chrome usesãthe same browser engine if my info on that is still up to date.ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Standards are wonderful... So many to choose from!ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Sun Mar 21 2021 12:51 amãã RM>> yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windoã RM> >95 promises polished up and functional.ãã RM> Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many thingsã RM> like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft) universal driversã RM> for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.ãã RM> Another advantage was, being so 'out of date', it was virtually Virusã RM> immune since no one was aiming at it..ãã RM> If it supported newer browsers I'd still be running it on my main machine.ã RM> Best I could manage was the 2011 release of Opera (Mozilla based Iã RM> believe). Newer Opera versions are Chrome based, or probably I should sayã RM> Chrome uses the same browser engine if my info on that is still up toã RM> date. ããYesterday I was listening to the Leo LaPorte radio show (he gives computer & technology advice), and there were 2 people who called in who said they still have a Windows 98 PC. One person wanted to know how best to copy their files off it, and the other said they still kept their Win98 PC for a game they like to play.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 3/20/2021 1:57 PM, Warpslide wrote:

I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from
running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other
restrictions.

Yup, I downloaded Syncterm 1.2a the other day and Credge (Chromium
Edge) was warning me that the file was "untrustworthy" and could
"harm your computer".

I was like f@*# off and let me run the damn file!

That's the downside of trying to build things to be more idiot proof.
While protecting some from malicious content because it isn't popular
enough, or cleared by checks that more popular downloads see it gets
blocked.

Had this issue downloading my own SyncTERM installer from github.

I am liking the new Edge a bit more than Chrome and have switched.
Partly because I trust MS slightly more than Google at this point.
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On 3/20/2021 9:51 PM, Rob Mccart wrote:

Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much
as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my
favourite OS

yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little
windows 95 promises polished up and functional.

Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many
things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft)
universal drivers for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did think
that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) was
pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktop
theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10.
I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time every
few years.

What's funny is that you can now run a full x86 emulator and Windows 9x
in a browser.
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I've been using PCs for a long time (I started using IBM compatibles around tã >late 90s, when DOS was big and Wnidows 3 was coming around). I like having cã >rol of my PC. It seems most people these days though don't care so much abouã >aving total control; they just want to do stuff with it. Modern operating syã >ms are made in a way to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.ããYes, stupid stuff usually being what makes the systems work better.. B)ããI got my first computers in 1984 and 85, heavily modified Apple II's with aã'massive' 80kb (up from 48 kb) of Ram and dual ($400 ea.) floppy drives,ãand moved on to IBM types with an 8088 system around 1987.ã(Anyone remember paying $2000+ for a 10 meg hard drive ?) B)ã(( Updated into todays dollars that would be about $4500))ããNI>I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from running a progã > because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.ããYes, I don't so much mind a warming but I want the option to ignore it too..ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demandã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Windows 98 was good, but I remember one recurring problem I had with Windowsã >was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get stuck on the shutdoã >screen and not fully shut down. I think there may have been a fix for that aã >ome point though.ããNI>Windows ME tends to get a lot of hate, but I ran ME for a little while and diã >t have a problem with it.ããI never got into Win ME due to some issues it had with being overly contollingãbut you could start off with Win98 SE and replace all the important parts withãthe Win ME updated utilities and have the best of both worlds... and then findãall the vastly improved programs written by others to make it all work evenãbetter.ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ This is abuse... arguments are down the hallã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Tracker1 wrote to Rob Mccart <=-ãã Tr> I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did thinkã Tr> that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) wasã Tr> pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktopã Tr> theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10.ã Tr> I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time everyã Tr> few years.ããSounds like we ran in some of the same circles. I was a Netware admin in the ãearly '90s, and OS/2 made a great admin platform for Netware servers - lots ãof console windows without drivers in low memory. DOS VDMs for apps that ãneeded a native DOS environment.ããSwitched to NT4 when the internet came around, and I had a couple of ãdatabases to manage. Really enjoyed the eye-candy of Litestep, ran it on ãthe BBS for some time, and ran it on old Dell boxes running Windows 2000 ãthat needed all the RAM they could muster.ããI couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to emulate a ãXP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.ããThat reminds me, I think it's time for my 2-screen "Dark Bliss" wallpaper ãand an XP menu again. :)ãããã... ZIMA TASTES BETTER WHEN IT'S ILLEGALã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Yesterday I was listening to the Leo LaPorte radio show (he gives computer &ã >hnology advice), and there were 2 people who called in who said they still haã >a Windows 98 PC. One person wanted to know how best to copy their files offã > and the other said they still kept their Win98 PC for a game they like to plããFor decades a friend of mine and I played Doom 2 and other similar games dailyãover the phone lines until he moved away last year. The Win98 system I wasãusing for that is still operational but it's a while since I used it. I tendãto play other games on my Laptop when it's just myself and, as mentioned, theãWin98 machine is getting a little old for a lot of online uses..ããThat said, when I do feel like playing the old games there are Ports thatãallow you to play those old DOS games with better controls and graphics that Iãhave installed on the newer Laptop as well.ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ A big enough gun will adjust any attitudeã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 2021 08:51 amãã PF> I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to emulate aã PF> XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.ããNot only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI has looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the same with the other major operating systems too. I don't really like that some typical UI elements don't look like what they're supposed to be anymore. The worst might be buttons that are just plain flat rectangles - Sometimes it can be hard to tell if they're buttons or just colored boxes. Another thing that bugs me is, on some Windows 10 setups I've seen, the default color for the active Windows Explorer window border is white, so it blends in with parts of the screen that have white (such as other Windows Explorer windows, web browser windows, etc.), and the Windows Explorer border will be hard (if not impossible) to see.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 3/23/2021 8:51 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

Sounds like we ran in some of the same circles. I was a Netware admin
in the early '90s, and OS/2 made a great admin platform for Netware
servers - lots of console windows without drivers in low memory. DOS
VDMs for apps that needed a native DOS environment.

Switched to NT4 when the internet came around, and I had a couple of databases to manage. Really enjoyed the eye-candy of Litestep, ran
it on the BBS for some time, and ran it on old Dell boxes running
Windows 2000 that needed all the RAM they could muster.

I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to
emulate a XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.

That reminds me, I think it's time for my 2-screen "Dark Bliss"
wallpaper and an XP menu again. :)

I remember spending weeks configuring my custom litestep theme... I
think it didn't run right on XP. but used it off/on at some point and
just stopped trying. When Win7 came out, I preferred it to anything
that came before anyway (in terms of UX).

My understanding is I *could* do similar with gnome as I used to with LiteStep, just never dug into it far enough to start.
--
Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã Ni> Not only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI hasã Ni> looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the sameã Ni> with the other major operating systems too. I don't really like thatã Ni> some typical UI elements don't look like what they're supposed to beã Ni> anymore. The worst might be buttons that are just plain flat rectanglesã Ni> - Sometimes it can be hard to tell if they're buttons or just coloredã Ni> boxes. Another thing that bugs me is, on some Windows 10 setups I'veã Ni> seen, the default color for the active Windows Explorer window borderã Ni> is white, so it blends in with parts of the screen that have whiteã Ni> (such as other Windows Explorer windows, web browser windows, etc.),ã Ni> and the Windows Explorer border will be hard (if not impossible) toã Ni> see.ããThis design trend drives me crazy!! They call it "getting the interfaceãout of your way," or some other such nonsense. It's called lazy development.ãIt's poor design. You cannot get the "interface" out of our way, ãwe NEED something to INTERFACE us with the SYSTEM. That is what it is for.ãSince we cannot communicate with and control our computers with our thoughtsãyet (not to the degree necessary to do work in today's world) we need thoseãbuttons to look like buttons. We need borders around those borders. We needãdepth and dinstinction between one application and another and betweenãa button and a field. It drives me crazy!!! One example I encountered inãweb design. I spent 30 minutes one day looking for a field on a formãand could not find it. Why? There was no field border of any kind aroundãit. There was just text on the screen and not until you clicked on the non-ãhighlighted text did a faint borde show up revealing it *might* be a field!ããOur computer screens are not small phone screens and our phones cannot ãdo all our computers can as efficiently as our computers can. Ugh.ãããã... At least you can always use my code as a bad example.ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Elf to Nightfox on Fri Mar 26 2021 09:41 pmãã Ni>> Not only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI hasã Ni>> looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the sameãã El> This design trend drives me crazy!! They call it "getting the interfaceã El> out of your way," or some other such nonsense. It's called lazyã El> development. It's poor design. You cannot get the "interface" out of ourã El> way, we NEED something to INTERFACE us with the SYSTEM. That is what it isã El> for. Since we cannot communicate with and control our computers with ourã El> thoughts yet (not to the degree necessary to do work in today's world) weã El> need those buttons to look like buttons. We need borders around thoseã El> borders. We need depth and dinstinction between one application andããYep. We need to be able to clearly see the elements of the user interface, and I think it should look good too.ãã El> example I encountered in web design. I spent 30 minutes one day lookingã El> for a field on a form and could not find it. Why? There was no fieldã El> border of any kind around it. There was just text on the screen and notã El> until you clicked on the non- highlighted text did a faint borde show upã El> revealing it *might* be a field! ããThat's fairly bad design.ãã El> Our computer screens are not small phone screens and our phones cannot ã El> do all our computers can as efficiently as our computers can. Ugh.ããI think even phone interfaces used to look better than they do - iPhone, iPod Touch, and Android from around 2007-2010 or so, I think looked better than they do today.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pmã > ã > MR> yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from somethingã > MR> else. i'd like to know what that something else is.ã > ã > MR> i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is fã > MR> smokers.ã > ã > I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããSome plastics are treated with a fire retardant that causes yellowing evenãwithout exposure to UV lightãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Aug 14 2021 08:47 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pmããthis is from last marchã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Aug 15 2021 09:59 amãã >> By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pmãã MR> this is from last marchããYep, that's indeed what the date says.ã...and?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Aug 16 2021 12:42 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Aug 15 2021 09:59 amã >ã > >> By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pmã >ã > MR> this is from last marchã >ã > Yep, that's indeed what the date says.ã > ...and?ã >ããit's almost 5 and a half months ago. we've moved on from that post.ãpeople shouldnt reply to old shit.ããthat's your 'and'ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 16 2021 09:11 pmãã MR> it's almost 5 and a half months ago. we've moved on from that post.ã MR> people shouldnt reply to old shit.ãã MR> that's your 'and'ããMaybe they hadn't seen it yet. Not everyone reads Dove-Net every day. There are people who might not read Dove-Net for months and then check back.ããI'm wondering why it bothers you so much?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Aug 16 2021 08:11 pmãã > Maybe they hadn't seen it yet. Not everyone reads Dove-Net every day.ããmaybe they should update their msg pointers.ãã > There are people who might not read Dove-Net for months and then check back.ã >ã > I'm wondering why it bothers you so much?ã >ããit's good msg network etquette to update your msg pointers and not reply toãposts that are many months old.ããI'm wondering why it bothers you so much when i complain about it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Aug 17 2021 09:00:07ãã > it's good msg network etquette to update your msg pointers and not reply toã > posts that are many months old.ããWell that's definitely not true. Reply to messages that are interestingãand relevant, simple as that. God didn't come down from the heavens toãtell people Thou Shalt Not Reply to Messages A Few Months Old. You'reãjust making up useless etiquette rules where none exist.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Mutiny BBS - mutinybbs.com - telnet:2332 - ssh:2232ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Ksource to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:28 amãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Aug 17 2021 09:00:07ã >ã > > it's good msg network etquette to update your msg pointers and not replyã > > to posts that are many months old.ã >ã > Well that's definitely not true. Reply to messages that are interestingã > and relevant, simple as that. God didn't come down from the heavens toããupdate your msg pointers so you dont necro post.ããthanks.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Ksource to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:28 amãã >> it's good msg network etquette to update your msg pointers and notã >> reply to posts that are many months old.ãã Ks> Well that's definitely not true. Reply to messages that are interestingã Ks> and relevant, simple as that. God didn't come down from the heavens toã Ks> tell people Thou Shalt Not Reply to Messages A Few Months Old. You'reã Ks> just making up useless etiquette rules where none exist.ããYep. If someone wants to talk about a particular subject, would it be better to start up a new thread, even though it has been discussed before?ããAnd if you're just looking for information, a forum search is often a good thing to do, as there might be an old thread that can provide some useful information.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Ksource on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:56 amãã MR> update your msg pointers so you dont necro post.ããSo, if someone wants to discuss a particular subject, even if it has been discussed before, would it be better for them to start a new thread?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to Ksource on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:32 amãã > Yep. If someone wants to talk about a particular subject, would it beã > better to start up a new thread, even though it has been discussed before?ããyeah start a new thread instead of digging up an old one.ããchrist, this is why forums lock shit.ãã > And if you're just looking for information, a forum search is often a goodã > thing to do, as there might be an old thread that can provide some usefulã > information.ããi'm not saying dont read old shit. but dont reply to itã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:33 amãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: MRO to Ksource on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:56 amã > ã > MR> update your msg pointers so you dont necro post.ã > ã > So, if someone wants to discuss a particular subject, even if it has beenã > discussed before, would it be better for them to start a new thread?ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããI think it is generally good ettiquete to start a new thread rather than necroãa threat that has been cold for months. Specially if there is new informationãregarding it.ããI don't think necroing an old thread is bad as long as there is a reasonableãprobability that the people originally involved with it is around, though.ãMaybe it is just me but I don't feel assaulted by necros or anything :-)ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:47 pmãã > I don't think necroing an old thread is bad as long as there is a reasonableã > probability that the people originally involved with it is around, though.ã > Maybe it is just me but I don't feel assaulted by necros or anything :-)ã >ããi think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.ãwhen a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them if they'd like to update their msg pointers.ããalmost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doing it by accident. these msgs are new to them, but not new and they dont realize it until later.ããi've done it myself.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 18 2021 09:38 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:47 pmã >ã > > I don't think necroing an old thread is bad as long as there is aã > > reasonable probability that the people originally involved with it isã > > around, though. Maybe it is just me but I don't feel assaulted by necrosã > > or anything :-)ã >ã >ã > i think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.ã > when a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them ifã > they'd like to update their msg pointers.ããEach sysop has the option to set new users' message pointers however they likeãvia SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages. I think the default value is 30 (days).ãã > almost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doing itã > by accident. these msgs are new to them, but not new and they dont realizeã > it until later.ã >ã > i've done it myself.ããThe BBS could warn or disallow responses to messages older than some specified age too. There's a lot of options for the enterprising sysop to pursue.ã-- ã digital manããSling Blade quote #16:ãKarl Childers (to Doyle, re: lawn mower blade): I aim to kill you with it. Mmm.ãNorco, CA WX: 71.1øF, 78.0% humidity, 2 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 18 2021 09:38 pmãã > Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã > By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Aug 18 2021 03:47 pmã > ã > > I don't think necroing an old thread is bad as long as there is a reasonaã > > probability that the people originally involved with it is around, thoughã > > Maybe it is just me but I don't feel assaulted by necros or anything :-)ã > ã > ã > i think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.ã > when a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them if theyã > like to update their msg pointers.ã > ã > almost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doing it bã > accident. these msgs are new to them, but not new and they dont realize itã > until later.ã > ã > i've done it myself.ããActually, this is somethign I have actually thought myself. Synchronet wouldãbenefit if there was an option for having the message pointers automaticallyãset upon the registration of a new user. Right now, a new user that registersãends up having thousands of unread messages to check, onyl a small fraction ofãwhich are current enough to be worth checking.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:10 pmãã > Each sysop has the option to set new users' message pointers however they liã > via SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages. I think the defaultã > value is 30 (days).ã > ããThat is awesome and we love you for that!ããHow come I have not realized such thing was so :-(ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Aug 18 2021 08:10 pmãã > > i think it really shows a flaw in the synchronet interface.ã > > when a new user gets past the application i think it should ask them ifã > > they'd like to update their msg pointers.ã >ã > Each sysop has the option to set new users' message pointers however theyã > like via SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages. I think theã > default value is 30 (days).ã >ã > > almost ALL the time, when a new user replies to old msgs they are doingããoh that's cool, i didnt know that. i just made my script that asks them.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Bleach Time!ã By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Aug 19 2021 07:13 amãã >ã > Actually, this is somethign I have actually thought myself. Synchronet wouldã > benefit if there was an option for having the message pointers automaticallyã > set upon the registration of a new user. Right now, a new user thatã > registers ends up having thousands of unread messages to check, onyl a smallã > fraction of which are current enough to be worth checking.ã >ã >ããyeah and a lot of bbses have several msg nets, so the average new user would get overload and just [q]uit.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã