My daughter's gaming PC needs an upgrade as it overheats and hangs sometimes when playing graphic intensive games, like https://store.steampowered.com/app/1377590/The_Island/ããShe currently has a 2015-era quadcore AMD APU (I think it's 3+ GHz) with 16GB of RAM and a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 Ti OC Low Profile 4GB GDDR5 128 Bit PCI-E Graphic Card. I don't think the graphics card is an issue, but rather the CPU/chipset and possibly cooling. Being a proprietary (HP) slim-line case and motherboard, GPU upgrade options were limited, but I think that 1050 Ti is actually handling the job pretty well.ããAnyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with something (even) better suited to gaming, like this:ãhttps://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-11700---geforce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.htmlããI could just build a new system from puchased parts and re-use her existing GPU (the 1050 Ti), but being a low profile card, that could be tricky in a full-height case and being a gift, I don't want it to be something I may have to troubleshoot (e.g. buying the wrong RAM for the CPU/motherboard... again?).ããThe Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:ã- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPUã- 32GB DDR4 RAMã- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAMã- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSDã- 1TB 7200RPM HDã- DVD/CD reader/writerã- Windows 10ããStuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:ã- keyboard and mouseã- Wifi and Bluetooth adaptersããI didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?ã-- ã digital manããSling Blade quote #10:ãMorris: I stand on the hill, not for thrill, but for the breath of a fresh killãNorco, CA WX: 73.3øF, 58.0% humidity, 4 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Digital Man to All on Thu Jul 15 2021 09:12 pmãã > My daughter's gaming PC needs an upgrade as it overheats and hangs sometimesã > when playing graphic intensive games, likeã > https://store.steampowered.com/app/1377590/The_Island/ã > ã > She currently has a 2015-era quadcore AMD APU (I think it's 3+ GHz) with 16Gã > of RAM and a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 Ti OC Low Profile 4GB GDDR5 128 Bitã > PCI-E Graphic Card. I don't think the graphics card is an issue, but rather ã > CPU/chipset and possibly cooling. Being a proprietary (HP) slim-line case anã > motherboard, GPU upgrade options were limited, but I think that 1050 Ti isã > actually handling the job pretty well.ã > ã > Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with something (even)ã > better suited to gaming, like this:ã > https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-11700---ã > orce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.htmlã > ã > I could just build a new system from puchased parts and re-use her existing ã > (the 1050 Ti), but being a low profile card, that could be tricky in aã > full-height case and being a gift, I don't want it to be something I may havã > to troubleshoot (e.g. buying the wrong RAM for the CPU/motherboard... again?ã > ã > The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:ã > - Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPUã > - 32GB DDR4 RAMã > - NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAMã > - 512GB PCIe M.2 SSDã > - 1TB 7200RPM HDã > - DVD/CD reader/writerã > - Windows 10ã > ã > Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:ã > - keyboard and mouseã > - Wifi and Bluetooth adaptersã > ã > I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several yearsã > without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?ããIf you think 1600 USD is "that much" you have not seen what people is spendingãin not-so-good gaming equipment.ããFor a computer intended for gaming, upgradability is the key...you need aãmoderboard into which you can plug "moar stuff" and "newer stuff". Otherwiseãyou won't be able to keep playing bleeding edge games with your setup in aãmatter of a couple of years, at least with decent game settings.ããA rule of thumb for gaming gear is to see which game consoles game publishersãare targetting and try to have at least a bit better specs than those consoles.ãThe reason is that many game companies use mainstream consoles as a specãreference. If the last Playstation is Playstation 20 then you can bet tripleãAAA developers are assuming their specs are the base for the current generationãof games.ããThe second approach is to scan the AAA game market in order to see whichãrequerinments modern games are demanding. If you can reliably match theãrecommended requerinments for current games you can be sure that you will beãable to play any game with your rig up until the moment the current generationãof games ends.ããCurrent generation of games is coming to an end by the way:ãhttps://www.game-debate.com/news/28464/recommended-pc-system-requirements-for-wãhen-xbox-series-x-and-ps5-launchããSorry I am not giving an opinion about your suggested configuration. I am notãthat familiar with the current state of things. I hope my wall of text givesãyou something to think about.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Hello Digital Man;ãã-=> Digital Man wrote to All <=-ãã DM> Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with somethingã DM> (even) better suited to gaming, like this:ã DM> https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-1170ã DM> 0---geforce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.htmlããMy rule of thumb when helping my clients upgrade is to take the specs ofãwhat it is you're looking to run and go no less than one step above thatãso you get a couple extra years from your machine/investment.ããDells aren't too bad a machine and the xps series usually are decent forãgaming.ãã... XMS: Xtraordinarily Meaningless Specificationã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Get your bytes revived here.ã

Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Digital Man to All on Thu Jul 15 2021 09:12 pmãã DM> Anyway, for her birthday, I want to replace the system with somethingã DM> (even) better suited to gaming, like this:ã DM> https://www.costco.com/dell-xps-8940-tower---11th-gen-intel-core-i7-11700-ã DM> --geforce-rtx-3060ti.product.100773674.html ãã DM> I could just build a new system from puchased parts and re-use herã DM> existing GPU (the 1050 Ti), but being a low profile card, that could beã DM> tricky in a full-height case and being a gift, I don't want it to beã DM> something I may have to troubleshoot (e.g. buying the wrong RAM for theã DM> CPU/motherboard... again?). ãã DM> The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:ã DM> - Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPUã DM> - 32GB DDR4 RAMã DM> - NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAMã DM> - 512GB PCIe M.2 SSDã DM> - 1TB 7200RPM HDã DM> - DVD/CD reader/writerã DM> - Windows 10ãã DM> Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:ã DM> - keyboard and mouseã DM> - Wifi and Bluetooth adaptersãã DM> I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her severalã DM> years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?ããThat PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it would probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX? I don't think Nvidia has an "RTS" line. The RTX 3000 series are currently their latest, and seem to be fairly hard to come by too (I've been waiting for a decently priced 3080 TI; they tend to be out of stock in most places, or sold by scalpers asking ridiculous prices).ããIf I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as they seem to have some really good processors right now and lower prices for comparable (or perhaps even slightly better) performance & specs than the comparable Intel processors.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Arelor to Digital Man on Fri Jul 16 2021 03:17 amãã > > I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her severalã > > years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?ã >ã > If you think 1600 USD is "that much" you have not seen what people isã > spending in not-so-good gaming equipment.ããOh, I have, but I try to make the dollars last. In the past, if it's not a laptop or all-in-one computer, I usually would build it out myself. Or reuse someone else's perfectly useful prefabbed e-waste.ãã > For a computer intended for gaming, upgradability is the key...you need aã > moderboard into which you can plug "moar stuff" and "newer stuff". Otherwiseã > you won't be able to keep playing bleeding edge games with your setup in aã > matter of a couple of years, at least with decent game settings.ã >ã > A rule of thumb for gaming gear is to see which game consoles gameã > publishers are targetting and try to have at least a bit better specs thanã > those consoles. The reason is that many game companies use mainstreamã > consoles as a spec reference. If the last Playstation is Playstation 20 thenã > you can bet triple AAA developers are assuming their specs are the base forã > the current generation of games.ã >ã > The second approach is to scan the AAA game market in order to see whichã > requerinments modern games are demanding. If you can reliably match theã > recommended requerinments for current games you can be sure that you will beã > able to play any game with your rig up until the moment the currentã > generation of games ends.ã >ã > Current generation of games is coming to an end by the way: https://www.gameã > -debate.com/news/28464/recommended-pc-system-requirements-for-wã > hen-xbox-series-x-and-ps5-launchããThe Costco/Dell system I referenced appears to exceed the "Next Gen Recommended System Requirements" on that web page by a pretty good margin.ãã > Sorry I am not giving an opinion about your suggested configuration. I amã > not that familiar with the current state of things. I hope my wall of textã > gives you something to think about.ããYes, appreciate the feedback.ã-- ã digital manããBreaking Bad quote #23:ãWhiteboy's gonna kick your ass if you don't stop wasting his time. - HankãNorco, CA WX: 87.9øF, 36.0% humidity, 12 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Fri Jul 16 2021 10:21 amãã > DM> - NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAMãã > That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it wouldã > probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as theã > graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX?ããYes, that was a typo: RTX 3060Ti.ãã"fairly decent"? It blows all the other computers in house away! Well, maybe not my 16-core 32GB Opteron system, but that's not a gaming system either.ãã > If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as theyã > seem to have some really good processors right now and lower prices forã > comparable (or perhaps even slightly better) performance & specs than theã > comparable Intel processors.ããAn AMD integrated graphics CPU (or "APU" they're sometimes called) or separate CPU and GPU? For example this HP system has a Ryzen APU:ãhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VRS732Zãbut I'm having trouble comparing the GPU performance of that system against, say, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060Ti.ã-- ã digital manããThis Is Spinal Tap quote #18:ãSustain, listen to it. Don't hear anything. You would though were it playing.ãNorco, CA WX: 88.0øF, 36.0% humidity, 9 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Jul 16 2021 02:17 pmãã >> That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it wouldã >> probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far asã >> the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX?ãã DM> Yes, that was a typo: RTX 3060Ti.ãã DM> "fairly decent"? It blows all the other computers in house away! Well,ã DM> maybe not my 16-core 32GB Opteron system, but that's not a gaming systemã DM> either. ãã:) Well yeah, it's actually a pretty good looking system.ãã >> If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, asãã DM> An AMD integrated graphics CPU (or "APU" they're sometimes called) orã DM> separate CPU and GPU? For example this HP system has a Ryzen APU:ã DM> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VRS732Z but I'm having trouble comparing theã DM> GPU performance of that system against, say, the NVIDIA GeForce RTXã DM> 3060Ti.ããI was thinking separate CPU and GPU. I was thinking an AMD processor would be a bit less expensive than an Intel processor. Even though AMD bought ATI years ago, I was reading about AMD's integrated graphics several years ago and remember reading that although it's pretty good, it's still not as good as having a separate dedicated GPU.ããThe other system you posted still seems like a fairly good deal. For about $600 more than this AMD-based system, the other one has more storage and the Nvidia RTX 3060 TI card. If you were to buy an RTX 3060 TI card by itself, it looks like it would cost about $400 and up, depending on which brand & model you buy:ãhttps://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359415ããSo I feel like $1600 for the other system is fair. I suppose it would be good to research how well the AMD Radeon graphics performs.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 7/15/2021 9:12 PM, Digital Man wrote:

The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:
- Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPU
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAM
- 512GB PCIe M.2 SSD
- 1TB 7200RPM HD
- DVD/CD reader/writer
- Windows 10

Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:
- keyboard and mouse
- Wifi and Bluetooth adapters

I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her several
years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?

Buying is probably your best bet... the motherboard and psu are usually
the sore spots on pre-built. Unfortunately, video cards are all but impossible to come by right now, and have been for over a year and a half.

Probably sufficient for 5+ years, the OS drive and/or the supplemental
drive are both a little small depending on the games she plays or will
want to play in the future.

System above should pair with a good 1440p monitor, most games at
mid-high settings at 90+ fps.
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On 7/16/2021 5:24 AM, Brian Rogers wrote:

Dells aren't too bad a machine and the xps series usually are
decent for gaming.

Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newer
systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply and
motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,
they aren't the new standard even.

The lower-end video cards are crap, the higher end are okay. That
doesn't go into the bloatware, and their really sleazy sales channel
tactics right now. If you're going big box builder, HP is likely a
better bet.

See "secret shopper" reviews on Linus Tech Tips and Gamers Nexus
regarding Dell products lately.
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On 7/16/2021 10:21 AM, Nightfox wrote:

That PC seems fairly decent, and you're probably right that it would probably last severla years without having to upgrade. And as far as
the graphics card, are you sure it's not RTX? I don't think Nvidia
has an "RTS" line. The RTX 3000 series are currently their latest,
and seem to be fairly hard to come by too (I've been waiting for a
decently priced 3080 TI; they tend to be out of stock in most places,
or sold by scalpers asking ridiculous prices).

It's definitely RTX for 3060 Ti.

If I were to build/buy a PC now, I might choose an AMD processor, as
they seem to have some really good processors right now and lower
prices for comparable (or perhaps even slightly better) performance &
specs than the comparable Intel processors.

The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years
ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a
bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X,
then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.

If I were going for something with a built in GPU, it's either Intel, or
wait a few weeks for the 5600g and 5700g to get more availability and
for direct sales. Otherwise, it's kind of a case by case basis.

In general AMD's 5000 series is one tier above Intel for most uses...
ex: 5800X will go toe to toe with an 11900K intel (x800X amd vs x900k
intel), last gen 3000 series AMD was about on par (better multicore,
weaker single core) ... intel 11th isn't really a boost over the 10th
gen and in some cases hotter or slower. 11400 being an exception, but
possibly a bit under-powered longer term (3+ years).

This will vary by use case, peer hardware (GPU), drivers, etc. The
biggest cost in that machine is really the RTX 3060, which by itself is selling for over $700 still, where it *should* be closer to $300. The
system itself would have been well under $1000 a year and a half ago.
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On 7/16/2021 2:17 PM, Digital Man wrote:

An AMD integrated graphics CPU (or "APU" they're sometimes called) or separate CPU and GPU? For example this HP system has a Ryzen APU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VRS732Z
but I'm having trouble comparing the GPU performance of that system
against, say, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060Ti.

The APU in the 4700g is just below a GTX 1030 performance, so not as
good as the older computer, the CPU is decent enough. A 5700g APU
graphics are just above a GTX 1030 in some cases.

Unfortunately GPU availability is pretty much limited to buy it or build
it... the system from Amazon is way overpriced there, it should be
$500-600 at Office Max, and you can bump the ram yourself for $150 or less.

You might also consider Newegg's builder service, which will allow you
to choose some of the parts... I missed the original mentioning the
system was a Dell, I wouldn't recommend Dell currently.

If you were to build yourself, would probably suggest building with the
same 10700k same as the dell system or a 3700X AMD, and just bringing
over the GTX 1050 as an interim graphics card and try the newegg shuffle
for a better GPU near cost, ymmv though. AMD has nicer/better
motherboard options at different price points than for intel, would go
with a low or mid-range x570 chipset for AMD over B550. Even if you
don't care about the wifi, having the bluetooth included will help with headphones if not now, in the future.
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Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Mon Jul 19 2021 06:31 pmãã > On 7/15/2021 9:12 PM, Digital Man wrote:ã > > The Costo Dell deal looks pretty good, $1600 for:ã > > - Core i7-11700 (8-core) CPUã > > - 32GB DDR4 RAMã > > - NVIDIA GeForce RTS 3060Ti GPU w/8GB RAMã > > - 512GB PCIe M.2 SSDã > > - 1TB 7200RPM HDã > > - DVD/CD reader/writerã > > - Windows 10ã >ã > > Stuff it comes with but likely wouldn't use:ã > > - keyboard and mouseã > > - Wifi and Bluetooth adaptersã >ã > > I didn't want to spend that much, but seems like it'd last her severalã > > years without any need to upgrade (much). Thoughts?ã >ã > Buying is probably your best bet... the motherboard and psu are usuallyã > the sore spots on pre-built. Unfortunately, video cards are all butã > impossible to come by right now, and have been for over a year and a half.ã >ã > Probably sufficient for 5+ years, the OS drive and/or the supplementalã > drive are both a little small depending on the games she plays or willã > want to play in the future.ã >ã > System above should pair with a good 1440p monitor, most games atã > mid-high settings at 90+ fps.ããI ended up getting the Dell from Costco (as shown above). I've had very good experience with the (doubled) computer warranties from Costco and this one seems to be a pretty good deal.ããI'll be moving the 1050 Ti to another system for one of my other daughters. She's due for an upgrade too even if she's not as much of a gamer.ã-- ã digital manããBreaking Bad quote #16:ãThinking Operation Breath Mint evertime you and me are on a stakeout together.ãNorco, CA WX: 72.8øF, 55.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: buil
By: Tracker1 to Brian Rogers on Mon Jul 19 2021 06:35 pm

Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newer
systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply and
motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,
they aren't the new standard even.

Well, I think HP is also loading some propietary components into their prebuilts. Heck, some HP servers are designed to accept only their (lame) fans, and if you want to incorporate a good fan, you have to disassemble the thing and rewire it.

I use a lot of second hand Dells. They made so many early Optiplex units that the second hand market here is flooded by them. Sure, an official replacement part for some component may be expèensive, but more often than not you can go into an IT shop and ask if they have some spare part.

Last time I did that they had 4 disassembled Optiplexes they were using for spare parts. I got a PSU replacement for 10 bucks.

I know this won't apply to modern gaming equipment, but I thought it was worth sharing.

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Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Tr> Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newerã Tr> systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply andã Tr> motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,ã Tr> they aren't the new standard even.ããIt's a shame. I loved the old Precision workstations - built like tanks, I ãhad one running for 12 years here.ããThe Optiplex 9XXX series towers were nice low-end "servers", with onboard ãRAID and the ability to have 32 GB of RAM in 2010. I'd max them out on RAM, ãput 2 SATA drives in them, and use them as departmental servers or high-end ãdesktops.ããThey did have a couple of black marks at the same time - the GX270 desktops ãthat popped the caps nearest the power supply vent, and the D630 laptops ãthat fried their video chipsets. Dell's solution for the former was to send ãout replacement motherboards with the same problem and a BIOS update for the ãlatter that just ran the fan 100% of the time.ãããã... Powered By Celeron (Tualatin). Engineered for the future.ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-ãã Ar> Well, I think HP is also loading some propietary components into theirã Ar> prebuilts. Heck, some HP servers are designed to accept only theirã Ar> (lame) fans, and if you want to incorporate a good fan, you have toã Ar> disassemble the thing and rewire it.ããOne thing HP has a bad reputation on is overloading heatsink glue on the CPUsãwhen installing fans - moreso present on their laptops. Too much causes a ãreverse affect of overheating instead of helping keep the CPU cool.ãã... I got stuck for ages behind an ice-cream truck, bloody sundae drivers!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Get your bytes revived here.ã

Hello Tracker1;ãã-=> Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Tr> Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newerã Tr> systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply andã Tr> motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,ã Tr> they aren't the new standard even.ããMost of your hardware sellers are going this route in an attempt to "lock youãin" to their product.ãã Tr> The lower-end video cards are crap, the higher end are okay. Thatã Tr> doesn't go into the bloatware, and their really sleazy sales channelã Tr> tactics right now. If you're going big box builder, HP is likely aã Tr> better bet.ããHP also is with it's issues, propriety hardware as well as putting excessiveãamounts of heatsink glue on C/GPUs, thus causing a reverse affect of themãoverheating. I can't count how many times I've had to scrape off the excessãpaste to fix overheating issues with HP.ããã... Old photographers never die, they just stop developing.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Get your bytes revived here.ã

Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 2021 06:45 pmãã Tr> The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years ã Tr> ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a ã Tr> bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X, ã Tr> then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.ããOh? I thought AMD's processors were still cheaper. At least a couple years ago, I remember hearing when AMD's processors were rating ahead of Intel's. For the price of an Intel i9-9900K, there was an AMD processor that was similarly priced that had more cores, and AMD's processors were getting slightly better ratings than Intel across the board, except for a couple cases.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 7/20/2021 7:49 PM, Nightfox wrote:

The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years
ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a
bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X,
then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.

Oh? I thought AMD's processors were still cheaper. At least a couple
years ago, I remember hearing when AMD's processors were rating ahead
of Intel's. For the price of an Intel i9-9900K, there was an AMD
processor that was similarly priced that had more cores, and AMD's processors were getting slightly better ratings than Intel across the
board, except for a couple cases.

With the AMD Ryzen 5000 series (current), they bumped the pricing, at
the top end they're faster than Intel's fastest. Meanwhile Intel prices dropped a bit, Intel still tends to take more power for a given
performance class. Again, role reversal.

In the enthusiast space, AMD is much more popular, and also had been
selling out more, given Intel more breathing room. It's a bit of a
mixed bag outside the top end.
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Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:14 pmãã Tr> With the AMD Ryzen 5000 series (current), they bumped the pricing, at ã Tr> the top end they're faster than Intel's fastest. Meanwhile Intel prices ã Tr> dropped a bit, Intel still tends to take more power for a given ã Tr> performance class. Again, role reversal.ãã Tr> In the enthusiast space, AMD is much more popular, and also had been ã Tr> selling out more, given Intel more breathing room. It's a bit of a ã Tr> mixed bag outside the top end.ããI used AMD for many years, and now have been using Intel for a while. It seems AMD has some good processors out there right now.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã