Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-ãã Ar> Well, I think HP is also loading some propietary components into theirã Ar> prebuilts. Heck, some HP servers are designed to accept only theirã Ar> (lame) fans, and if you want to incorporate a good fan, you have toã Ar> disassemble the thing and rewire it.ããOne thing HP has a bad reputation on is overloading heatsink glue on the CPUsãwhen installing fans - moreso present on their laptops. Too much causes a ãreverse affect of overheating instead of helping keep the CPU cool.ãã... I got stuck for ages behind an ice-cream truck, bloody sundae drivers!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Get your bytes revived here.ã

Hello Tracker1;ãã-=> Tracker1 wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Tr> Dell are effectively hot garbage e-waste... half the parts in newerã Tr> systems are completely proprietary, even the power supply andã Tr> motherboards on many of them right now. And while some are 12V only,ã Tr> they aren't the new standard even.ããMost of your hardware sellers are going this route in an attempt to "lock youãin" to their product.ãã Tr> The lower-end video cards are crap, the higher end are okay. Thatã Tr> doesn't go into the bloatware, and their really sleazy sales channelã Tr> tactics right now. If you're going big box builder, HP is likely aã Tr> better bet.ããHP also is with it's issues, propriety hardware as well as putting excessiveãamounts of heatsink glue on C/GPUs, thus causing a reverse affect of themãoverheating. I can't count how many times I've had to scrape off the excessãpaste to fix overheating issues with HP.ããã... Old photographers never die, they just stop developing.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Get your bytes revived here.ã

Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 19 2021 06:45 pmãã Tr> The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years ã Tr> ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a ã Tr> bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X, ã Tr> then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.ããOh? I thought AMD's processors were still cheaper. At least a couple years ago, I remember hearing when AMD's processors were rating ahead of Intel's. For the price of an Intel i9-9900K, there was an AMD processor that was similarly priced that had more cores, and AMD's processors were getting slightly better ratings than Intel across the board, except for a couple cases.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

On 7/20/2021 7:49 PM, Nightfox wrote:

The roles are pretty much reversed of where they were a couple years
ago. While AMD is current king in terms of best of breed, there is a
bit of a price premium for that, so unless going for 5900X or 5950X,
then Intel is actually a better deal at the moment for most systems.

Oh? I thought AMD's processors were still cheaper. At least a couple
years ago, I remember hearing when AMD's processors were rating ahead
of Intel's. For the price of an Intel i9-9900K, there was an AMD
processor that was similarly priced that had more cores, and AMD's processors were getting slightly better ratings than Intel across the
board, except for a couple cases.

With the AMD Ryzen 5000 series (current), they bumped the pricing, at
the top end they're faster than Intel's fastest. Meanwhile Intel prices dropped a bit, Intel still tends to take more power for a given
performance class. Again, role reversal.

In the enthusiast space, AMD is much more popular, and also had been
selling out more, given Intel more breathing room. It's a bit of a
mixed bag outside the top end.
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Re: Re: Gaming (Windows) PC: build or buy?ã By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:14 pmãã Tr> With the AMD Ryzen 5000 series (current), they bumped the pricing, at ã Tr> the top end they're faster than Intel's fastest. Meanwhile Intel prices ã Tr> dropped a bit, Intel still tends to take more power for a given ã Tr> performance class. Again, role reversal.ãã Tr> In the enthusiast space, AMD is much more popular, and also had been ã Tr> selling out more, given Intel more breathing room. It's a bit of a ã Tr> mixed bag outside the top end.ããI used AMD for many years, and now have been using Intel for a while. It seems AMD has some good processors out there right now.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã