Hi all,ããI currently have an HP DeskJet 2600 series printer, an inkjet with ãcartridges. It's been working fine but I really don't like the fact that ãbecause of the Digital Restrictions Management third party cartridges are ãbeing blocked and that even original cartridges stop working at some pointãif I refill them.ããSo I was thinking about an ink tank printer, again from HP because they haveãstellar GNU/Linux free software driver support -- I had used a Brother manyãyears ago, but its GNU/Linux driver was proprietary, therefore not included ãin the repositories. And when they stopped updating the driver package onãtheir website, the machine became a paperweight.ããMy main concerns are price, not being tied to a particular vendor for the ãnk and durability. It doesn't have to fax (I already have a V.92 modem), doãdouble sided printing or be fast. What would you advise? What would you say ãabout an HP Ink Tank 415 AIO?ããThanks in advance. ãã... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to All on Sat Jun 03 2023 08:10 pmãã > Hi all,ã >ã > I currently have an HP DeskJet 2600 series printer, an inkjet withã > cartridges. It's been working fine but I really don't like the fact thatã > because of the Digital Restrictions Management third party cartridges areã > being blocked and that even original cartridges stop working at some pointã > if I refill them.ããbe like me:ããthrow away your printers.ãprint at work or print at the ups store or some place else.ããsave money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having a printer.ããafter having a bunch of those all in one printers and have them break or just be too expensive i'm much happier now.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to All on Sat Jun 03 2023 08:10 pmãã > Hi all,ã > ã > I currently have an HP DeskJet 2600 series printer, an inkjet withã > cartridges. It's been working fine but I really don't like the fact thatã > because of the Digital Restrictions Management third party cartridges areã > being blocked and that even original cartridges stop working at some pointã > if I refill them.ã > ã > So I was thinking about an ink tank printer, again from HP because they have > stellar GNU/Linux free software driver support -- I had used a Brother manyã > years ago, but its GNU/Linux driver was proprietary, therefore not includedã > in the repositories. And when they stopped updating the driver package onã > their website, the machine became a paperweight.ã > ã > My main concerns are price, not being tied to a particular vendor for theã > nk and durability. It doesn't have to fax (I already have a V.92 modem), doã > double sided printing or be fast. What would you advise? What would you sayã > about an HP Ink Tank 415 AIO?ã > ã > Thanks in advance.ã > ã > ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã > --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã > þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netããI have some insider knowledge from the HP printing team.ããModern HP printers will work under linux with HPLIP but most of them areãsupposed to work with a proprietary plugin. I have managed to print to someãprinters that are not supported unless you use proprietary plugins using someãnetcat tricks, but the bottom line is you are supposed to use their closedãdrivers.ããSupport from their closed drivers is quite ok, though.ããAt $job we have a fleet of HP Laserjets M402N. If you print a lot, you saveãmoney in the long run. You can also use pirate cartridges.ããNO experience with Ink Tanks.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to All on Sat Jun 03 2023 08:10 pmãã Sh> So I was thinking about an ink tank printer, again from HP because theyããI decided to stop using inkjet printers a long time ago and bought a laser printer and haven't regretted it. One thing I didn't like about inkjet printers is that if you don't use them for too long, the ink can dry up, so you'd have to buy new ink before you can print again. A laser printer can sit for a while and still be able to print. I don't print much, but I feel like it's handy to have when needed. My printer is also one of the 3-in-1 scan/copy/print units, and it's handy to be able to scan documents when needed. Sometimes I also need to sign sonething, and if they don't support E-signing, I'd have to print it, sign it by hand, and then scan the signed version and send that back to them.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Shanen wrote to All <=-ãã Sh> So I was thinking about an ink tank printer, again from HP because theyã Sh> have stellar GNU/Linux free software driver support -- I had used aã Sh> Brother many years ago, but its GNU/Linux driver was proprietary,ã Sh> therefore not included in the repositories. And when they stoppedã Sh> updating the driver package on their website, the machine became aã Sh> paperweight.ãã I recently bought a Brother HL-L2370DW, one of the slightlyã higher-priced black and white lasers. I chose it because its printerã language is PCL6 instead of the proprietary Brother language, I figuredã if I wanted to print to it from Linux any PCL PPD would work.ãã Brother also advertised one of those infinity ink deals like HP, whereã you pay by the page, they send you a toner when you run low, and youã have to have your printer connected to the internet to send telemetryã back to them at all times. No thanks.ãã RIP my Samsung ML-2525W, which was a trusty workhorse for 15 years. Aã toner blew up inside of it, and it'd only pring black pages after that.ãã Sh> My main concerns are price, not being tied to a particular vendor forã Sh> the nk and durability. It doesn't have to fax (I already have a V.92ã Sh> modem), do double sided printing or be fast. What would you advise?ã Sh> What would you say about an HP Ink Tank 415 AIO?ãã Sounds like HP is a pass in general, how about the Epson tank printers?ãããã... Two protons expelled at each coupling site creates the mode of forceã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

MRO wrote to Shanen <=-ãã MR> after having a bunch of those all in one printers and have them breakã MR> or just be too expensive i'm much happier now.ãã I have a Canon MX922 inkjet MFP with a sheet feeder, just had to printã out an 85-page color document, and it *just* *worked*. I didn't need toã change any colors, thought I would.ãã A third-party replacement kit with 3 of each color tank is $22 onã Amazon, which should be good for around 900 pages.ãã There's a ton of crap out there, but some gems - unfortunately none ofã them from HP these days.ãããã... Wait, this is a *scene*?ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Arelor wrote to Shanen <=-ãã Ar> At $job we have a fleet of HP Laserjets M402N. If you print a lot, youã Ar> save money in the long run. You can also use pirate cartridges.ããA Friend of mine closed down one of his offices and when he heard myãlittle Samsung printer had died, offered one of his office printers. Iãwent over there and saw a mint-condition HP Laserjet 4050 with 2 trays.ãAlas, it was a little too big for my office space, but it would haveãbeen the last printer I ever needed. They're from the Golden Age of HP,ãin my opinion.ããAside: I managed desktop support for a large internet company a coupleãof years back. When I hired a new batch of techs, we did a scavengerãhunt. One of the things the techs were asked to find was the oldestãprinter on campus.ããOne person went to 2 buildings and 21 floors looking for printers andãprinted test pages. He got the award for determination. Another techãasked the printer team which printer had the most pages on it and heãlooked it up in the web-based admin tool at his desk.ãããã... ZIMA TASTES BETTER WHEN IT'S ILLEGALã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Shanen <=-ãã pF> @VIA: REALITYã pF> @MSGID: <647DF512.5013.dove.hardware@realitycheckbbs.org>ã pF> @REPLY: <647C57A1.17785.dove-hlp@vert.synchro.net>ã pF> @TZ: c1e0ã pF> Subject: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã pF> @MSGID: <647DF512.5013.dove.hardware@realitycheckbbs.org>ã pF> @REPLY: <647C57A1.17785.dove-hlp@vert.synchro.net>ã pF> @TZ: c1e0ã -=> Shanen wrote to All <=-ãã pF> Brother also advertised one of those infinity ink deals like HP, whereã pF> you pay by the page, they send you a toner when you run low, and youã pF> have to have your printer connected to the internet to send telemetryã pF> back to them at all times. No thanks.ããOuch, indeed. Apparently HP models which end with an "e" must be connected atãall times, fortunately in my country this offer doesn't exist (yet?). Noãinstant ink for me, which is fine for the reasons you explained.ãã pF> Sounds like HP is a pass in general, how about the Epson tankã pF> printers?ããSometimes, you prefer the devil you already know. Like I said in a previousãmessage, HP's GNU/Linux support is stellar (see ã<https://packages.trisquel.org/aramo/hplip>, it's even present in a ãFSF approved fully free distribution). Epson's drivers seem to beãproprietary (see ã<https://github.com/endlessm/epson-inkjet-printer/blob/master/201207w/COPYING.EPSON>)ãso I'm stuck with HP...ãã... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to All on Sat Jun 03 2023 20:10:00ãã Sh> So I was thinking about an ink tank printer, again from HP because theyã Sh> have stellar GNU/Linux free software driver support -- I had used aã Sh> Brother many years ago, but its GNU/Linux driver was proprietary,ã Sh> therefore not included in the repositories. And when they stopped updatingã Sh> the driver package on their website, the machine became a paperweight.ããI have found the best option to be an HP Laser on a network interface for the best cross os/platform support, and higher capacity tonor cartridges. My current HP has been running for close to a decade, and the one before it for about 15 years or so. Unless you are printing a *LOT*, which is where many defer to Epson tank options afaik, no idea on Linux support.ããMy HP laser has worked without issue on Linux, Windows, MacOS and Android phones. Just my own $.02ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Nightfox to Shanen on Sun Jun 04 2023 12:25:52ãã Ni> printer and haven't regretted it. One thing I didn't like about inkjetã Ni> printers is that if you don't use them for too long, the ink can dry up,ããThe last inkjet printer I used was a Canon around 2001, it was designed so badly back then, that you had to replace the separate print head, that only came with a set of new black+color cartridges... I don't print too much either, often months at a time, then a few documents, etc. Likewise went to an HP Laserjet from an auction (already used 6 years in a school setting) and that lasted me another 9 after... current printer is about 10yo and on it's second set of tonor cartridges after the ones that came with the printer.ããOther than a single PDF I cannot seem to print from Linux, haven't had an issue... It always "just works"ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Mon Jun 05 2023 07:13:00ãã PF> little Samsung printer had died, offered one of his office printers. Iã PF> went over there and saw a mint-condition HP Laserjet 4050 with 2 trays.ããMan, would have loved that... Those things were absolute beasts in terms of reliability. I bought a couple models before that at 6yo from a school auction and it lasted another 9 years. If the jet direct card hadn't died, might still be using it... passed it to someone who didn't mind using a parallel cable. As I had wanted to go color anyway. My current hp color laser is now about a decade old with no issues.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Tracker1 wrote to Shanen <=-ãã Tr> @VIA: TRNã Tr> @MSGID: <648C3CF8.1817.dove-hwswhelp@roughneckbbs.com>ã Tr> @REPLY: <647C57A1.17785.dove-hlp@vert.synchro.net>ã Tr> Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã Tr> By: Shanen to All on Satã Tr> Jun 03 2023 20:10:00ãã Tr> I have found the best option to be an HP Laser on a network interfaceã Tr> for the best cross os/platform support, and higher capacity tonorã Tr> cartridges. My current HP has been running for close to a decade, andã Tr> the one before it for about 15 years or so. Unless you are printing aã Tr> *LOT*, which is where many defer to Epson tank options afaik, no ideaã Tr> on Linux support.ãã Tr> My HP laser has worked without issue on Linux, Windows, MacOS andã Tr> Android phones. Just my own $.02ããFinally I opted for an HP Smart Tank 516. It was sold at a small discount,ãis cheaper than a laser printer and is a *big* upgrade from using cartriges.ãPlus one more year of warranty in addition to the standard two years if youãregister at no cost.ããA couple of days after I bought and set it up, a neighbor asked me (again)ãfor like 60 color pages. Previously this would have almost emptiedãa cartridge, now the ink level didn't even blink. My only worry is withãprintheads but so far so good. I just wish CUPS had fewer bugs, but hey...ããAlso, how do you print from an Android phone? I saw HP had an application forãthat (at hpapp.com IIRC), but it requires you to send each and every file toãbe printed to the mothership so this was a big no no for me.ãã... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to Tracker1 on Sat Jun 17 2023 04:37 pmãã > Also, how do you print from an Android phone? I saw HP had an application fo > that (at hpapp.com IIRC), but it requires you to send each and every file to > be printed to the mothership so this was a big no no for me. > ãIf you are talking about the HP Smart subsystem, I am told they made it usingãcheap asian labor and that the codebase sucks so much that, if you ever readãit, you'd want to set your printer on fire.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Conã By: Shanen to Tracker1 on Sat Jun 17 2023 16:37:00ãã Sh> Also, how do you print from an Android phone? I saw HP had an applicationã Sh> for that (at hpapp.com IIRC), but it requires you to send each and everyã Sh> file to be printed to the mothership so this was a big no no for me.ããVaries by application, but generally it's buried under the share icon and not all apps support it. I'm able to print directly. I did have the HP network thing setup, as well as google's chrome printer sharing (neither work now)... but when I'm on network I am able to print (mostly).ããLike for Brave browser, I click the vertical elipsis menu, then the share button at the top, then have to scroll right on the second line and print is at the end. It's kind of buried though and definitely not obvious.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã By: MRO to Shanen on Sun Jun 04 2023 06:23 amãã > save money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having a printer.ããI did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore the tonerãwarnings.ããNow I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ãã:)ããã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Crack in Time BBS - crackintimebbs.ddns.net:2323ã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã By: Nopants to MRO on Wed Jul 12 2023 06:59 pmãã > Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã > By: MRO to Shanen on Sun Jun 04 2023 06:23 amã >ã > > save money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having aã > > printer.ã >ã > I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore the tonerã > warnings.ã >ã > Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ããi just print at work or at the ups store.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Nopants wrote to MRO <=-ãã > save money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having a printer.ãã No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet andã No> ignore the toner warnings.ããAn inkjet printer doesn't use toner. It uses...... ink.ãã No> Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ããGood point there. I think the same people work at Office Depot.ããã... Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

MRO wrote to Nopants <=-ãã > > save money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having aã > > printer.ãã > I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore the tonerã > warnings.ãã MR> i just print at workããDoes your employer know that, and approves of it?ãã MR> or at the ups store.ããMore expensive than just owning/using your own printer. But it probably ãmakes sense..... to you.ããã... Your inability to understand something is not a valid argument against it.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã By: Nopants to MRO on Wed Jul 12 2023 06:59 pmãã No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore theã No> toner warnings.ãã No> Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ããI used to use an inkjet printer, but I don't print very often, and I found that by the time I wanted to print something again, the ink would be all dried up. I decided to buy a laser pritner - They do cost more up front, but toner doesn't dry out, so you can always print whenever you want.ããThe one I bought also does scanning and copying - I've actually found the scanner convenient for scanning in receipts and other documents that I want to save and be able to easily open them up on my computer to see them or email them to someone if I need to. My wife has also used it a couple times when working from home - sometimes there will be a document she needs to sign, and since they don't have an online signing system, she'll print it, sign it, and then scan the signed copy to send back.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Gamgee to Nopants on Thu Jul 13 2023 07:41 amãã > -=> Nopants wrote to MRO <=-ã > ã > > save money, don't have to deal with all the bullshit about having a printã > ã > No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet andã > No> ignore the toner warnings.ã > ã > An inkjet printer doesn't use toner. It uses...... ink.ã > ã > No> Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ã > ã > Good point there. I think the same people work at Office Depot.ã > ã > ã > ... Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?ããYou can ignore the toner warnings because the inkjets don't have tonerãcartirdges.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã By: Nightfox to Nopants on Thu Jul 13 2023 10:08 amãã > Re: Ink Tank Printers, Pro/Coã > By: Nopants to MRO on Wed Jul 12 2023 06:59 pmã > ã > No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore theã > No> toner warnings.ã > ã > No> Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ã > ã > I used to use an inkjet printer, but I don't print very often, and I found tã > u can always print whenever you want.ã > ã > The one I bought also does scanning and copying - I've actually found the scã > to. My wife has also used it a couple times when working from home - sometã > ã > Nightfoxã > ãI used to volunteer on the board for a non-profit organization. I boughtãthem a multi-function laser printer/ copier/ scanner. An 8000 page tonerãcartridge cost about the same as a 2000 page cartridge.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Nopants wrote to MRO <=-ãã No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet and ignore theã No> toner warnings.ãã No> Now I don't need to deal with those miserable people at Staples.ãã I'm all in on Amazon for toner and ink cartridges. I picked up an inketã MFP that takes individual color tanks, and found a third party that sells 3ã of each for $18 on Amazon - works great. It's the first time I've everã not thought about ink costs when printing with an inkjet printer. itã lets me scan to PDF or scan photos, too.ããFor big black and white jobs I have a cheap Brother laser printer -ãthird-party toner is also cheap.ãããã... Emphasize repetitionsã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

MRO wrote to Nopants <=-ãã MR> i just print at work or at the ups store.ããOne of my first jobs was at a law firm where every piece of paperãprinted needed a client code, and unbilled copies were scrutinized,ãHEAVILY.ããThe computer room was on another floor, and sitting in the room,ãunappreciated, was an HP Laserjet that wasn't connected to the billingãsystem. I appreciated the hell out of it.ãããã... Don't be frightened of clichesã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Gamgee to Nopants on Thu Jul 13 2023 08:41 amãã > No> I did the same thing and then I bought a Brother inkjet andã > No> ignore the toner warnings.ã > ã > An inkjet printer doesn't use toner. It uses...... ink.ããBrother Laser! See, I don't even know what it is. That's how much I don'tãfuss with it. I do ignore the toner warnings :).ããã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Crack in Time BBS - crackintimebbs.ddns.net:2323ã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Nopants to Gamgee on Mon Aug 28 2023 18:29:00ãã No> Brother Laser! See, I don't even know what it is. That's how much I don'tã No> fuss with it. I do ignore the toner warnings :).ããI've been using HP Laser (Color for about 9 years now), mostly because Brother was less out of the box ready with Linux. With HP, every device I typically print from including my phone just works. Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android all load and print without any special issues. I replaced the tonor cartridges once in the past decade, I don't print much, but when I do, it just goes.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Tracker1 to Nopants on Mon Sep 11 2023 08:55 pmãã > Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã > By: Nopants to Gamgee on Mon Aug 28 2023 18:29:00ã > ã > No> Brother Laser! See, I don't even know what it is. That's how much I don > No> fuss with it. I do ignore the toner warnings :).ã > ã > I've been using HP Laser (Color for about 9 years now), mostly because Broth > t any special issues. I replaced the tonor cartridges once in the past deca > ã > ã > --ã > Michael J. Ryanã > +o roughneckbbs.comã > tracker1@roughneckbbs.comã > ã > ---ã > þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comããNewer HP multifunction printers need plugins you need to install. It is stillãeasy but no longer plug-and-play.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 13 2023 15:03:25ãã Ar> Newer HP multifunction printers need plugins you need to install. It isã Ar> still easy but no longer plug-and-play.ããMy SO's multifunction printer is mainly used for its scan-to-pdf functionality... Generally just put in a thumb drive and scan to image or pdf on the device, it's not used other than that. I don't like having to install extra junk, and don't really need it for printing itself, that and it's ink, which I'm not fond of. I need to find a better spot for it, as it takes up a lot of space for something that only gets used a couple times a year.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Ink Tank Printers, Prã By: Tracker1 to Nopants on Mon Sep 11 2023 09:55 pmãã > I've been using HP Laser (Color for about 9 years now), mostly because BrothããYou don't have to convince me on HP Laser, especially a Color Laser :))ããMy first printer was a HP Laserjet+ and then HP Laserjet 4m with ethernet.ããI didn't have a printer for a long time after that and the Brother was just toãget my family to shut the hell up about printing :))ããBasically, I am jealous of your HP Laser Color but I hate printers :((ãã-nopãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Crack in Time BBS - crackintimebbs.ddns.net:2323ã