ãI have a 4th generation i7 desktop running Windows 10. It's got 16GB of ram and a SATA SSD. I'm debating about upgrading my desktop PC, I'm looking to upgrade to a newer (10th gen or higher CPU), more cores, and trying to buy someãextended life for my PC.ããThe one question I was hoping to get was some real world comparison of SATA versus NVMe in desktops. I'd like to get a system that has NVMe since it seems like everything's going that way and I'd hate it if I ended up being limited by SATA in a couple of years. Does anyone have experience running NVMe on your desktop, especially if you could compare real-world speeds with running SATA?ãI know the difference in design speeds, not sure how that maps to a desktop OS.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

On 11 Jul 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...ã ã pF> The one question I was hoping to get was some real world comparison ofã pF> SATA versus NVMe in desktops. I'd like to get a system that has NVMeã pF> since it seems like everything's going that way and I'd hate it if Iã pF> ended up being limited by SATA in a couple of years. Does anyone haveããSATA SSDs might as well be spinning drives compared to NVMe. 100% the only reason you would buy SATA SSDs is because you've used (both) the NVMe slot(s) on your mobo.ããi bought an NVMe along with my first ryzen 7 in 2017 and that one is /still/ faster than the SSDs they sell today because of that giant SATA bottleneck.ããthis is only going to get worse for SATA because as of now the future plan is a NVMe->GPU direct pipeline, and 10gbit networking is already 2x what a sata ssd can keep up with.. hell 2.5gbit might even be pushing it if your drive is pretty full.ããi sound a bit like a zealot but it really is awesome. and significantly cheaper than when i first got into it.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

Re: NVMe versus SATA in desktops?ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Tue Jul 11 2023 09:36:00ãã PF> I have a 4th generation i7 desktop running Windows 10. It's got 16GB ofã PF> ram and a SATA SSD. I'm debating about upgrading my desktop PC, I'mã PF> looking to upgrade to a newer (10th gen or higher CPU), more cores, andã PF> trying to buy some extended life for my PC.ããYou're going to have to replace your motherboard and ram as well... and even an RX 6600 is likely faster than the GPU from ~8 years ago (assuming it's that old as well).. so best to just plan on a replacement, unless you really like your case. Your PSU may be comming close to EOL as well.ãã PF> The one question I was hoping to get was some real world comparison ofã PF> SATA versus NVMe in desktops. I'd like to get a system that has NVMe sinceã PF> it seems like everything's going that way and I'd hate it if I ended upã PF> being limited by SATA in a couple of years. Does anyone have experienceã PF> running NVMe on your desktop, especially if you could compare real-worldã PF> speeds with running SATA? I know the difference in design speeds, not sureã PF> how that maps to a desktop OS.ããReal world, you won't notice the difference from SATA too much. I mostly notice when building large projects or doing things like a message scan, where you're accessing the contents of many files in a relatively short turn around... For a very large web project, HDD to SATA SSD goes from minutes to around a minute. Going from SATA SSD to Gen 4 PCIE NVME is a couple seconds. So it depends on your usage, but for playing games, web, general use you aren't likely to notice.ããThat said, the pricing is on par between the two, with NVME being much faster in some cases. Most current motherboards have at least 1 and as many as 3-4 NVME slots, so you might as well. Bonus, no cable clutter. Those last points (mb support, similar price, no cables) aare the main reasons I just say go nvme.ããThings to look for are DRAM cache over "SLC" cache... the former is dedicated dram, the latter is a portion of memory that is using SLC mode for faster access... The drives of the former being a bit better quality generally speaking, but again, unlikely to notice a difference in day to day usage.ããI'm partial to Samsung, WD Black, Solidigm and Sabrent (Rocket Line).ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: NVMe versus SATA in desktops?ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Tue Jul 11 2023 09:36 amãã > I have a 4th generation i7 desktop running Windows 10. It's got 16GB of ramã > and a SATA SSD. I'm debating about upgrading my desktop PC, I'm looking toã > upgrade to a newer (10th gen or higher CPU), more cores, and trying to buyã > someã > extended life for my PC.ã >ã > The one question I was hoping to get was some real world comparison of SATAã > versus NVMe in desktops. I'd like to get a system that has NVMe since itã > seems like everything's going that way and I'd hate it if I ended up beingã > NVMe on your desktop, especially if you could compare real-world speeds withã > running SATA?ã > I know the difference in design speeds, not sure how that maps to a desktopã > OS.ããI have 4 NVMe 2tb drives in my desktop along with a single 2tb SATA drive. While I don't have any numbers to post, the SATA is by far the slowest drive on the system and it is noticeable. The desktop is a core i9 12th gen running Windows 10 Pro.ã/sãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

fusion wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã fu> i sound a bit like a zealot but it really is awesome. and significantlyã fu> cheaper than when i first got into it.ããThat's exactly what I was hoping to hear - thanks! I'm looking to get asãmuch life out of my systems as I can, and sometimes that means spendingãmore up front to delay the inevitable obsolescence. I'm leaning towardsãNVMe thinking that in 5 years SATA will indeed feel like spinningãdrives, as you mentioned.ããã... Feed the recording back out of the mediumã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã PF> I have a 4th generation i7 desktop running Windows 10. It's got 16GB ofã PF> ram and a SATA SSD. I'm debating about upgrading my desktop PC, I'mã PF> looking to upgrade to a newer (10th gen or higher CPU), more cores, andã PF> trying to buy some extended life for my PC.ãã Tr> You're going to have to replace your motherboard and ram as well... andã Tr> even an RX 6600 is likely faster than the GPU from ~8 years agoã Tr> (assuming it's that old as well).. so best to just plan on aã Tr> replacement, unless you really like your case. Your PSU may be commingã Tr> close to EOL as well.ããã Upgrading = replacing the whole kit. Sorry I wasn't clearer. I'mã looking for a new system. BTW, I have an Nvidia GTX 1030 in my currentã system. I can get 50 fps playing the only modern game I play.ãã Tr> Real world, you won't notice the difference from SATA too much. Iã Tr> mostly notice when building large projects or doing things like aã Tr> message scan, where you're accessing the contents of many files in aã Tr> relatively short turn around... For a very large web project, HDD toã Tr> SATA SSD goes from minutes to around a minute. Going from SATA SSD toã Tr> Gen 4 PCIE NVME is a couple seconds. So it depends on your usage, butã Tr> for playing games, web, general use you aren't likely to notice.ãã I have 2 Proxmox servers - my old one is a Thinkpad with an i7, the newã one is a Dell Optiplex i5 with a NVMe. I definitely see a differenceã running VMs, wasn't sure about desktop results. I'm mostly doing web,ã office, photoshop and games here, some transcoding of media.ããã Tr> That said, the pricing is on par between the two, with NVME being muchã Tr> faster in some cases. Most current motherboards have at least 1 and asã Tr> many as 3-4 NVME slots, so you might as well. Bonus, no cable clutter.ã Tr> Those last points (mb support, similar price, no cables) aare the mainã Tr> reasons I just say go nvme.ããAfter growing up with MFM and floppy drives, I can appreciate a lack ofãcables. :)ãã Tr> Things to look for are DRAM cache over "SLC" cache... the former isã Tr> dedicated dram, the latter is a portion of memory that is using SLCã Tr> mode for faster access... The drives of the former being a bit betterã Tr> quality generally speaking, but again, unlikely to notice a differenceã Tr> in day to day usage.ãã Tr> I'm partial to Samsung, WD Black, Solidigm and Sabrent (Rocket Line).ãã Thanks for sharing! This is very helpful.ããããã... Feedback recordings into an acoustic situationã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã Bf> I have 4 NVMe 2tb drives in my desktop along with a single 2tb SATAã Bf> drive. While I don't have any numbers to post, the SATA is by far theã Bf> slowest drive on the system and it is noticeable. The desktop is aã Bf> core i9 12th gen running Windows 10 Pro. /sããMy goal here is to future-proof a new system, your insight confirms thatãeven though I'd be happy with SATA SSDs now, I'd end up regretting it in aãcouple of years when NVMe gets cheap and SATA SSDs feel like spinningãrust does now.ãããã... Emphasize the flawsã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã