Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: poindexter FORTRAN to DaiTengu on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:42 amãã Da>> https://www.engadget.com/fbi-encrypted-chat-app-anom-criminals-10200ã Da>> 1487 .htmlãã PF> A Linux-based phone is sounding like a better idea the more I look at it. ã PF> Can I get a GUI-based IRC client and VPN?ããã Android is linux-based. http://source.android.comãã Phone companies put closed source apps on top of it, and lock bootloaders.ããã iOS is based on Darwin, which was based on BSD UNIX. ããDaiTenguãã... In some cases non-violence requires more militancy than violence.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 06 2021 04:24 pmãã > PF> A Linux-based phone is sounding like a better idea the more I look at iã > PF> Can I get a GUI-based IRC client and VPN?ã > ã > ã > Android is linux-based. http://source.android.comã > ããI suspect PF is thinking of a phone which loads a Linux+GNU distribution, asãthe ones people runs on servers or workstations :-)ããAndroid may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainly does notãfeel like using a common Linux distribution at all.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 07 2021 05:02 amãã Ar> Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainlyã Ar> does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.ããWhat would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want it to run a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and run Linux desktop apps?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

I suspect PF is thinking of a phone which loads a Linux+GNUã Ar> distribution, as the ones people runs on servers or workstations :-)ãã Ar> Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainlyã Ar> does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.ããMozilla tried to do something like that but failed to deliver.ãã/h1 ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Capitol Shrill BBS - Washington, DC - capitolshrill.comã

Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Aug 07 2021 02:57 pmãã > Re: Re: freedom phoneã > By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 07 2021 05:02 amã > ã > Ar> Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainlyã > Ar> does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.ã > ã > What would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want it to rã > a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and run Linux desktã > apps?ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããI am not concerned for looks.ããWhat I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the box for dayãto day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could use apt-get or sbotoolsãto install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethers for setting arp entries, andãIptables for firewall rules.ããThere are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they are limitedãand feel much like running an emulator.ããI am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screens myself.ãBig desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable on mobile devicesãbut I have never tried them on that environment.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-ãã Ni> What would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want itã Ni> to run a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and runã Ni> Linux desktop apps?ããThere are a couple of linux phone OS distros out there. Pinephone is running ãone of them.ããã... Look at a very small object, look at its centreã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã Ar> What I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the boxã Ar> for day to day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could useã Ar> apt-get or sbotools to install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethersã Ar> for setting arp entries, and Iptables for firewall rules.ãã Ar> There are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they areã Ar> limited and feel much like running an emulator.ãã Ar> I am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screensã Ar> myself. Big desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable onã Ar> mobile devices but I have never tried them on that environment.ããImagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" deal ãcompanies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor, ãkeyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into your ãphone, running a full Linux distro.ããOr, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can take ãwith you.ããã... Look at a very small object, look at its centreã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Aug 08 2021 11:00 amãã > Imagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" dealã > companies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor,ã > keyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into yourã > phone, running a full Linux distro.ã > ã > Or, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can takeã > with you.ã > ããAfaik there are already ways to do those things... up to a point. See what Iãmentioned of that UserLand tool mentioned in Linux Magazine. You can also run aãLinux distribution in a chroot in Android so the VNC solution is not out of theãquestion.ããThis does not change the fact that any Linux you would be running, would beãrunning on top of a lot of spyware ridden cruft and heavily limited by it (ie.ãno advanced networking without rooting Android or developing a specific Androidãapp).ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: freedom phoneã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Aug 08 2021 11:00 amãã > -=> Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-ã >ã > Ar> What I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the boxã > Ar> for day to day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could useã > Ar> apt-get or sbotools to install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethersã > Ar> for setting arp entries, and Iptables for firewall rules.ã >ã > Ar> There are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they areã > Ar> limited and feel much like running an emulator.ã >ã > Ar> I am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screensã > Ar> myself. Big desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable onã > Ar> mobile devices but I have never tried them on that environment.ã >ã > Imagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" dealã > companies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor,ã > keyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into yourã > phone, running a full Linux distro.ã >ã > Or, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can takeã > with you.ã >ããi can vnc or teamviewer from my phone into my desktop easily.ããwhat i want for my phone is a linux distro that also has apps for using the phone and txting.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã