"Betterbird. Simply better.ãã"Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,ãThunderbird on steroids, if you will.ãã"Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: Itãcontains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bugãfixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes thatãThunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to theãfeature table for examples.ããMORE: http://betterbird.eu/ãã--ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to All on Mon Apr 18 2022 05:46 pmãã > "Betterbird. Simply better.ã >ã > "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,ã > Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.ã >ã > "Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: Itã > contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bugã > fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes thatã > Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to theã > feature table for examples.ã >ã > MORE: http://betterbird.eu/ã >ã > --ãããthis looks pretty ghetto. no httpsãno signed archive.ãi run their 'portable installer' so, sfx 7zip window pops up and closesããi extracted it and tried it out. there's nothing better about it so far.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to All on Mon Apr 18 2022 05:46 pmãã > "Betterbird. Simply better.ã > ã > "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,ã > Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.ã > ã > "Betterbird is better than Thunderbird in three ways: Itã > contains new features exclusive to Betterbird, it contains bugã > fixes exclusive to Betterbird and it contains fixes thatã > Thunderbird may ship at a later stage. Please refer to theã > feature table for examples.ã > ã > MORE: http://betterbird.eu/ã > ã > --ããI would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporatedãenigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, usedãyour keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so itãused its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn'tãwant to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keepingãthem in sync.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Boraxman to Ogg on Tue Apr 19 2022 07:34 pmãã > I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporatedã > enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration,ã > used your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changedã > it so it used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird becauseã > I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyringsã > and keeping them in sync.ãããman pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it anymore.ããit's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encrypt communications.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: MRO to Boraxman on Tue Apr 19 2022 01:47 pmãã > Re: Betterbird..ã > By: Boraxman to Ogg on Tue Apr 19 2022 07:34 pmã > ã > > I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Before they incorporatedã > > enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail used your users GnuPG configuration, usedã > > your keyring. Then when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so itã > > used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbird because I didn't waã > > to, or see the advantage of, managing two seperate keyrings and keeping them iã > > sync.ã > ã > ã > man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it anymore.ã > ã > it's better to just use another type of communication if you want to encryptã > communications.ããYes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phoneãnumber, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.ããThe advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used toãuse it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keysãwhen they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or changeãcomputers.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:29 pmãã > Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with yourã > phone number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.ããjust pick one. or txt themã >ã > The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. Iã > used to use it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is theyã > lose their keys when they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get theirã > drive wiped or change computers.ããyeah i played around it a bunch years ago.ãi wouldnt use it in today's age.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Hello MRO!ãã** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:ãã M> man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use itã M> anymore.ããWhat is so hard about it?ããã M> it's better to just use another type of communication if you want toã M> encrypt communications. -+-ããDeltaChat is not bad. It uses your existing email "system". ãVery clever.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello MRO!ãã** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 05:00, MRO wrote to Boraxman:ãã >> Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need toã >> sign up with your phone number, which some people don'tã >> like. Telegram is closed source.ããã M> just pick one. or txt themããtxt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely no ãprivacy at all.ããã >>ã >> The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existingã >> e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it upã >> for them..ãã M> yeah i played around it a bunch years ago. i wouldnt use itã M> in today's age.ããThunderbird has integrated it into their system now. Proponents ãseem to like it. Not sure how Betterbird does it.ããMeanwhile, there is DeltChat which utilizes your existing email ãprovider's system.ããOpenKeyChain is another fine system for Android users.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Boraxman!ãã** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 17:29, Boraxman wrote to MRO:ãã >> it's better to just use another type of communication ifã >> you want to encrypt communications.ãã B> Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need toã B> sign up with your phone number, which some people don'tã B> like. Telegram is closed source.ããCheck out DeltaChat. It uses your existing email address. It ãdoesn't require any passphrase setup. And.. it's possible to ãsynchronize the app across multiple devices that can use the ãsame email address.ããTelegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:ãã https://telegram.org/appsããã B> The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existingã B> e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it upã B> for them. The real problem is they lose their keys whenã B> they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their driveã B> wiped or change computers.ããDeltaChat might be a good option for those people you mention ãwho might like to entertain some extra privacy in email every ãnow and then.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Boraxman!ãã** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 19:34, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:ãã B> I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Beforeã B> they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail usedã B> your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Thenã B> when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so itã B> used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbirdã B> because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managingã B> two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.ããI don't like the way the new TB does it either.ããThat's why I rolled back to a version that works best for me.ããI love the way Enigmail simplifies everything, and allows ãupdating keys from one device to another.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pmãã > Hello MRO!ã >ã > ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:ã >ã > M> man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use itã > M> anymore.ã >ã > What is so hard about it?ãããit's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email toãhave it too.ããdeltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:43 pmãã > Hello MRO!ã >ã > ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 05:00, MRO wrote to Boraxman:ã >ã > >> Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need toã > >> sign up with your phone number, which some people don'tã > >> like. Telegram is closed source.ã >ã >ã > M> just pick one. or txt themã >ã > txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely noã > privacy at all.ã >ã >ããare we really concerned about our privacy, though?ãeverything we do is monitored.ãour phones are listening to us talk right nowã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:49 pmãã >ã > Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:ã >ã > https://telegram.org/appsããi think he's talking about the server side.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:43 pmãã > txt (SMS) is purely in the clear, and provides absolutely noã > privacy at all.ã > ããWell, you may use Silence, which is essentially Signal Messenger for SMS.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:00 amãã > Re: Betterbird..ã > By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:29 pmã > ã > > Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need to sign up with your phoneã > > number, which some people don't like. Telegram is closed source.ã > ã > just pick one. or txt themã > ããThe problem is, my choice differs from other people choices. One wants to use Signal,ãanother group, Telegram, another uses Tutanota.ããIt's not a huge deal, but I just don't like signing up with a third party, for them to giveãme privacy.ãã > > The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existing e-mail address. I used to uã > > it with others, I set it up for them. The real problem is they lose their keys when tã > > inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their drive wiped or change computers.ã > ã > yeah i played around it a bunch years ago.ã > i wouldnt use it in today's age.ããI just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they want me to doãsomething like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:49 pmãã > Hello Boraxman!ã > ã > ** On Wednesday 20.04.22 - 17:29, Boraxman wrote to MRO:ã > ã > >> it's better to just use another type of communication ifã > >> you want to encrypt communications.ã > ã > B> Yes, but which one? Signal works well, though you need toã > B> sign up with your phone number, which some people don'tã > B> like. Telegram is closed source.ã > ã > Check out DeltaChat. It uses your existing email address. Itã > doesn't require any passphrase setup. And.. it's possible toã > synchronize the app across multiple devices that can use theã > same email address.ã > ã > Telegram is OPEN source. It's in the 1st paragraph here:ã > ã > https://telegram.org/appsã > ã > ãInteresting, did it change? I'm sure last time I looked at it, it wasn't. I'll admit itãwas a while ago.ãã > B> The advantage of PGP is you can use it with your existingã > B> e-mail address. I used to use it with others, I set it upã > B> for them. The real problem is they lose their keys whenã > B> they inevitably have to reinstall windows, get their driveã > B> wiped or change computers.ã > ã > DeltaChat might be a good option for those people you mentionã > who might like to entertain some extra privacy in email everyã > now and then.ãããI'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried about privacy, wontãbother using tools, not GPG, not anything.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to Boraxman on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:54 pmãã > Hello Boraxman!ã > ã > ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 19:34, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:ã > ã > B> I would like to see the old enigmail plugin back. Beforeã > B> they incorporated enigmail into Thunderbird, enigmail usedã > B> your users GnuPG configuration, used your keyring. Thenã > B> when they moved it into Thunderbird, they changed it so itã > B> used its own keyring. That made me stop using Thunderbirdã > B> because I didn't want to, or see the advantage of, managingã > B> two seperate keyrings and keeping them in sync.ã > ã > I don't like the way the new TB does it either.ã > ã > That's why I rolled back to a version that works best for me.ã > ã > I love the way Enigmail simplifies everything, and allowsã > updating keys from one device to another.ããI switched to Claws Mail for that reason. You lose out on decent html support, but oh well,ãhtml emails kind of suck anyway. I could keep using an older version of Thunderbird, butãthen you don't get security updates.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: MRO to Ogg on Wed Apr 20 2022 10:46 pmãã > Re: Betterbird..ã > By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pmã > ã > > Hello MRO!ã > ã > > ** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:ã > ã > > M> man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use itã > > M> anymore.ã > ã > > What is so hard about it?ã > ã > ã > it's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email to have it too.ã > ã > deltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.ããTutanota is a good option. You can send encrypted e-mails to people who don't use it, theyãjust need to know a shared password in advance.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pmãã >ã > I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If theyã > want me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then Iã > simply wont.ãããyeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and immediately change it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Boraxman to Ogg on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:28 pmãã >ã > I'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried aboutã > privacy, wont bother using tools, not GPG, not anything.ãããjust tell them there is no such thing as privacyã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Apr 21 2022 03:37 pmãã > Re: Betterbird..ã > By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pmã > ã > ã > > I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they waã > > me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wontã > ã > ã > yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login andã > immediately change it.ããDoesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able to access (i.e., an adminãpassword).ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Hello Boraxman!ãã** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:ãã >> yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,ã >> they should login and immediately change it.ããWith services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient ãjust needs to know the passphrase that you used for that ãparticular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula" ãto the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient ãwould know how to solve. For example,ããpassphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>ããOnly the recipient would know how to solve for the above.ããOr... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same ãbook, and use something like this:ããpassphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)ããã B> Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be ableã B> to access (i.e., an admin password).ããThat's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded ãfiles, a formula method like above could work.ããã--ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Betterbird..ã By: Ogg to Boraxman on Sun Apr 24 2022 01:06 pmãã > Hello Boraxman!ã > ã > ** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:ã > ã > >> yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,ã > >> they should login and immediately change it.ã > ã > With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipientã > just needs to know the passphrase that you used for thatã > particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"ã > to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipientã > would know how to solve. For example,ã > ã > passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>ã > ã > Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.ã > ã > Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the sameã > book, and use something like this:ã > ã > passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)ã > ã > ã > B> Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be ableã > B> to access (i.e., an admin password).ã > ã > That's a different matter. But for emails, and passwordedã > files, a formula method like above could work.ã > ã > ã > --ãA workable idea, definately. Another simple option, if you're just looking forãthe "keep prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password" people out isãto send the password in an SMS.ããNot as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if you delete theãmessage, it should protect you from 99% of the cases where you will needãencryption.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Hello Boraxman!ãã** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:ãã >> Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the sameã >> book, and use something like this:ã >>ã >> passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)ãã >> --ã B> A workable idea, definately.ããTwo people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite ã"anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and ãsimply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5- ãdigits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of ãthe isbn number.)ããI get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers ãand they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message ãbox (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do ãthat.)ããOr, they use something really simple like "the town you live ãin". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.ããIt's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate ãthe relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords ãprivate.ããã B> Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keepã B> prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"ã B> people out is to send the password in an SMS.ããSMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.ããã B> Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but ifã B> you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% ofã B> the cases where you will need encryption.ããDeleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages ãare accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.ãããã--- OpenXP 5.0.51ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-ãã Og> @MSGID: <6266CAFF.5137.dove-int@capitolcityonline.net>ã Og> @REPLY: <6265E1A9.5336.dove-int@bbs.mozysswamp.org>ã Og> Hello Boraxman!ãã Og> ** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:ãã >> Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the sameã >> book, and use something like this:ã >>ã >> passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)ãã >> --ã B> A workable idea, definately.ãã Og> Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favouriteã Og> "anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..andã Og> simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-ã Og> digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part ofã Og> the isbn number.)ãã Og> I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfersã Og> and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the messageã Og> box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to doã Og> that.)ãã Og> Or, they use something really simple like "the town you liveã Og> in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.ãã Og> It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciateã Og> the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwordsã Og> private.ããHigh trust in some cases. I did admin work, and people had no issue leaving meãpasswords. This was a while ago, and sometimes they wanted me to help themãwith their home computer, again, they just left me with the passwords.ããThe post-it notes with passwords were always a headache.ããã B> Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keepã B> prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"ã B> people out is to send the password in an SMS.ãã Og> SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.ããã B> Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but ifã B> you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% ofã B> the cases where you will need encryption.ãã Og> Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messagesã Og> are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.ããThe level of security you need, is based on the threat. SMS's are in theãclear, but it would take a lot of work to match an SMS with with an account,ãparticularly if you say by e-mail you'll send the password by SMS, and send theãpassword by SMS alone, without any other information.ããSomeone could attack, but for the most part, if your laptop is stolen forãexample, your safe, or any other compromise of your computer/e-mail.ããNot ideal, but far better than sending it in the same email.ã ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Ogg wrote to All <=-ãã Og> "Betterbird. Simply better.ãã Og> "Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,ã Og> Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.ããOkay, I finally downloaded it. It looks the same. Hopefully, it works better.ããI hope.ããBrian Klauss <-> Dream MasterãCaught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBSãã... The number you have dailed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.ã--- MultiMail/Mac v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Caught in a Dream - caughtinadream.comã