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Re: Re: Self serve checkout
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Wed Dec 27 2023 08:56 am

pirating music, and so lobbied the government to include a built-in
tariff, regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.

They probably do the same with bags.

I doubt they do.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue Dec 26 2023 08:25 pm

It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free.

All bags? ..or just plastic ones?

If have to charge for the bags, do you have to send that money
to the government? How can they even enforce it?

Probably the same way sales tax is enforced/handled.

But, I'm not sure if it goes that far. The "fee" is really just a deterrent for people to not use plastic bags. I'm not sure how well it works.

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Hello pF!

Not many people knew that blank CD-Rs had a kickback to
the recording industry. Every single one. They *assumed*
that CD-Rs would be used for pirating music, and so
lobbied the government to include a built-in tariff,
regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer
pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.

That tarrif was made widely known.

They probably do the same with bags.

Mums the word wrt bags. So, I doubt it's the same.

I just have to wonder how the gov't can force a retailer to
charge for the use of a bag.


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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 28 2023 06:43 pm

Hello pF!

Not many people knew that blank CD-Rs had a kickback to
the recording industry. Every single one. They *assumed*
that CD-Rs would be used for pirating music, and so
lobbied the government to include a built-in tariff,
regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer
pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.

That tarrif was made widely known.

i'm pretty sure that tarrif was only for canada.

I just have to wonder how the gov't can force a retailer to
charge for the use of a bag.

people can just decide to ignore them.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Dec 26 2023 08:29 am

so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but does the money charged go

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, it doesn't get funneled into any recycling program.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue Dec 26 2023 08:25 pm

Hello Arelor!

It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free.

All bags? ..or just plastic ones?

If have to charge for the bags, do you have to send that money
to the government? How can they even enforce it?

THey started banning free plastic bags. I don't know if they have borged paperbags in because, frankly, I don't care.

You can be as careful as you want not to break the law, then one day you get fined for some stupid detail you didn't even know was a legal requerinment.

When you have ten thousand silly laws, you destroy any respect for law.

There is no way I am gonna get my retirement pension out of the Spanish welfaresystem, so excuse me if I fail to comply with their nonsense.

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Re: Re: Self serve checkout
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Wed Dec 27 2023 08:56 am

If they're shrewd they build it into the cost of the bag.

It is not a tax. They just want you to bill the bag.

Of course they would get the VAT from the bag that way. I guess many people hasnot realized it was a covered tax raise on working class folks - if I give a
bag for free I don't include its VAT in my declaration, if I happen to operate a business that declares VAT.

Small retailers don't declare VAT (they pay the sale taxes in advance, before selling the stuff) so how you declare your bag sales to be like afterwards doesn't matter much. It is different for big surfaces that do VAT declarations,in which I guess it makes a difference if the government get 21% of the price
of all bags sold.

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Re: Re: Self serve checkout
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 28 2023 02:44 am

I doubt they do.

Well, they bake a lot of hidden taxes in stuff.

You buy a LED light, it gets a recycle tax thrown in.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: DaiTengu to Ogg on Thu Dec 28 2023 03:02 pm

But, I'm not sure if it goes that far. The "fee" is really just a deterrent

It doesn't. People uses plastic bags as if there was no tomorrow anyway. THey just get to pay moar.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 28 2023 06:43 pm

I just have to wonder how the gov't can force a retailer to
charge for the use of a bag.

By sending the Gestapo Business Inspection police to check you have the sign that reads "In accordance to law XXX we are billing for the bags in this place."

So many people have those signs that I suspect it is yet another mound of mandatory bullshit.

They also check you have your heating tunned down because they want both you and your customers to freeze to death in your store.

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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Dec 30 2023 04:41 am

Re: Self serve checkout
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Dec 26 2023 08:29 am

so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but does the money charged go

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, it doesn't get funneled into any recycling program.

okay then i guess the stores make a profit by doing it.
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Re: Self serve checkout
By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Dec 30 2023 04:46 am

THey started banning free plastic bags. I don't know if they have borged paperbags in because, frankly, I don't care.

You can be as careful as you want not to break the law, then one day you get fined for some stupid detail you didn't even know was a legal requerinment.

When you have ten thousand silly laws, you destroy any respect for law.

There is no way I am gonna get my retirement pension out of the Spanish welfaresystem, so excuse me if I fail to comply with their nonsense.

maybe we should all have a revolution in our countries.
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Hello MRO!

** On Saturday 30.12.23 - 08:07, MRO wrote to Arelor:

so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but does
the money charged go

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, it doesn't get funneled into any recycling program.

okay then i guess the stores make a profit by doing it.

A basic plastic bag costs about 5cents to buy in bulk. So..
the charge wouldn't be a profit by any means. However, a paper
bag with handles can easily cost 25cents to get. At that cost,
I would be incentivised to charge for those! :D


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