I decide to try and get ChatGPT and Bard to create some PERL code for me and it seems both have two distinct ways of working.

ChatGPT will actually give you some code that almost works and each time you try and refine it, it breaks the code more and more until you're further away from you goal.

Bard will tell you the steps you need to create the code until you force it to write the code for you, which doesn't work, and then it'll tell you the steps you need to go through to debug your code until you force it to show you the updated code, which also breaks.

I don't think AI is ready to write code that is going to take over the world...not just yet anyway.

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Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: nelgin to All on Mon Jan 22 2024 05:42 am

I decide to try and get ChatGPT and Bard to create some PERL code for me and it seems both have two distinct ways of working.

ChatGPT will actually give you some code that almost works and each time you try and refine it, it breaks the code more and more until you're further away from you goal.

Bard will tell you the steps you need to create the code until you force it to write the code for you, which doesn't work, and then it'll tell you the steps you need to go through to debug your code until you force it to show you the updated code, which also breaks.

I don't think AI is ready to write code that is going to take over the world...not just yet anyway.

boy, totally surprising.
another great post from nelgin.
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Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: nelgin to All on Mon Jan 22 2024 05:42 am

LOL so true. I use ChatGPT to do grunt work only. I has rabbit holed me into code hell 100 too many times.

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On 27 Jan 2024, Sideburn said the following...

LOL so true. I use ChatGPT to do grunt work only. I has rabbit holed me into code hell 100 too many times.

not necessarily a response just to you, but if you (all) are interested in trying some of these for "free":

https://chat.lmsys.org/

lets you ask a question of two randomly selected ones, in return for some research data (which one you liked best, what sort of stuff you ask it, etc).. might take a few rounds to get a bard or gpt or whatever model that gives you decent output though.

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Re: Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: fusion to Sideburn on Sun Jan 28 2024 01:25 am

On 27 Jan 2024, Sideburn said the following...

not necessarily a response just to you, but if you (all) are interested in trying some of these for "free":

https://chat.lmsys.org/

lets you ask a question of two randomly selected ones, in return for some research data (which one you liked best, what sort of stuff you ask it, etc).. might take a few rounds to get a bard or gpt or
whatever model that gives you decent output though.

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Thank you, that is very interesting indeed.

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Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: nelgin to All on Mon Jan 22 2024 05:42 am

I asked Copilot to write TradeWars in Pascal, and got this:

Creating a game like TradeWars in Pascal would be quite an extensive project, as it involves setting up a complex environment with various gameplay mechanics. However, I can certainly help you get started with a basic structure. Here's a simple outline to illustrate how you might begin coding such a game:

```pascal
program TradeWars;

uses crt;

type
Planet = record
name: string;
economy: integer;
defense: integer;
resources: integer;
end;

var
playerLocation: Planet;
planets: array[1..10] of Planet;

procedure InitializePlanets;
var
i: integer;
begin
// Initialize planets with names and random attributes
for i := 1 to 10 do
begin
with planets[i] do
begin
name := 'Planet' + IntToStr(i);
economy := Random(100) + 1;
defense := Random(100) + 1;
resources := Random(100) + 1;
end;
end;
end;

procedure DisplayStatus;
begin
// Display player's current status and location
with playerLocation do
begin
writeln('Current Location: ', name);
writeln('Economy Level: ', economy);
writeln('Defense Level: ', defense);
writeln('Resource Level: ', resources);
end;
end;

procedure Trade;
begin
// Implement trading mechanics
writeln('Trading not implemented yet.');
end;

procedure Travel;
var
destination: integer;
begin
// Implement travel mechanics
writeln('Where would you like to travel?');
readln(destination);
if (destination >= 1) and (destination <= 10) then
playerLocation := planets[destination]
else
writeln('Invalid destination.');
end;

begin
// Main game loop
Randomize;
InitializePlanets;
playerLocation := planets[1]; // Start at Planet 1

while true do
begin
clrscr;
DisplayStatus;
writeln('What would you like to do?');
writeln('1. Trade');
writeln('2. Travel');
writeln('3. Quit');
case readkey of
'1': Trade;
'2': Travel;
'3': break;
end;
end;
end.

This code provides a starting point for a TradeWars-like game in Pascal. It sets up a universe of planets with random attributes and allows the player to travel between them. The trading mechanics would need to be implemented, along with many other features to create a full game experience. Remember, this is just a basic framework and a lot more work would be needed to develop a complete game. If you're interested in the original source code of TradeWars, it seems there's a Pascal version available.

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On 2024-03-27, Skylar <ENSEMBLE!Skylar@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: nelgin to All on Mon Jan 22 2024 05:42 am

I asked Copilot to write TradeWars in Pascal, and got this:

Creating a game like TradeWars in Pascal would be quite an extensive project, as it involves setting up a complex environment with various gameplay mechanics. However, I can certainly help you get started with a basic structure. Here's a simple outline to illustrate how you might begin coding such a game:

```pascal
program TradeWars;

uses crt;

type
Planet = record
name: string;
economy: integer;
defense: integer;
resources: integer;
end;

var
playerLocation: Planet;
planets: array[1..10] of Planet;

procedure InitializePlanets;
var
i: integer;
begin
// Initialize planets with names and random attributes
for i := 1 to 10 do
begin
with planets[i] do
begin
name := 'Planet' + IntToStr(i);
economy := Random(100) + 1;
defense := Random(100) + 1;
resources := Random(100) + 1;
end;
end;
end;

procedure DisplayStatus;
begin
// Display player's current status and location
with playerLocation do
begin
writeln('Current Location: ', name);
writeln('Economy Level: ', economy);
writeln('Defense Level: ', defense);
writeln('Resource Level: ', resources);
end;
end;

procedure Trade;
begin
// Implement trading mechanics
writeln('Trading not implemented yet.');
end;

procedure Travel;
var
destination: integer;
begin
// Implement travel mechanics
writeln('Where would you like to travel?');
readln(destination);
if (destination >= 1) and (destination <= 10) then
playerLocation := planets[destination]
else
writeln('Invalid destination.');
end;

begin
// Main game loop
Randomize;
InitializePlanets;
playerLocation := planets[1]; // Start at Planet 1

while true do
begin
clrscr;
DisplayStatus;
writeln('What would you like to do?');
writeln('1. Trade');
writeln('2. Travel');
writeln('3. Quit');
case readkey of
'1': Trade;
'2': Travel;
'3': break;
end;
end;
end.

This code provides a starting point for a TradeWars-like game in Pascal. It sets up a universe of planets with random attributes and allows the player to travel between them. The trading mechanics would need to be implemented, along with many other features to create a full game experience. Remember, this is just a basic framework and a lot more work would be needed to develop a complete game. If you're interested in the original source code of TradeWars, it seems there's a Pascal version available.

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Why not t3x/0? It's similar to Pascal and it will run under DOS, CP/M and Unix.

http://t3x.org/t3x/0/index.html

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Re: Re: ChatGPT v Bard
By: anthk to All on Sat Mar 22 2025 02:32 am

Why not t3x/0? It's similar to Pascal and it will run under DOS, CP/M and Unix.

http://t3x.org/t3x/0/index.html

chatgpt wont make a working program most of the time anyways.
no way is it going to write a working tradewars in any language.
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