So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is going toãstart charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curious if any ofãyou use Java at your jobs, and how this is affecting you.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.comã

Chai, to All...ãã Ch> So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is goingã Ch> to start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curiousã Ch> if any of you use Java at your jobs, and how this is affecting you.ããOracle seems to be heading down the wrong direction, if thst were the case. ãHow is that going to work? You have to pay just to use the Java VM or pay ãto get the SDK? I would imagine the latter.ããFor crying out loud, at least Microsoft went in the proper direction and has ãbeen working on opening up their .NET platorm by making their CLR and ãMSBUILD open source, and starting the .NET Core as an open source project. ãAmong other things that Microsoft bas changed over the recent years after ãBill Gates retired.ããThe software vendor I work for does use Java for their portal software, and ãwe use it combine and minify our JavaScript files for our front end. I ãwould imagine that will hurt us, but probably not stop us. Hopefully, the ãopen source implementation, OpenJDK, will fill in the gap.ããIn my opinion, Oracle is going to shoot themselves in the foot by charging ãfor their platform while Microsoft is opening up theirs.ãã-jagãCode it, Script it, Automate it!ãã... <<< In monochrome where available >>>ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwestbbs.com - Email denn@outwestbbs.comã

Re: Javaã By: Chai to All on Wed Nov 14 2018 07:56 pmãã Ch> So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is going toã Ch> start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curious if anyã Ch> of you use Java at your jobs, and how this is affecting you.ããWat? I haven't heard of this. As someone else asked, I'm curious if that'sãfor the runtime or if it's for the JDK.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Nightfox, to Chai...ãã Ni> Re: Javaã Ni> By: Chai to All on Wed Nov 14 2018 07:56 pmãã Ch> So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is going toã Ch> start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curious if anyã Ch> of you use Java at your jobs, and how this is affecting you.ãã Ni> Wat? I haven't heard of this. As someone else asked, I'm curious ifã Ni> that's for the runtime or if it's for the JDK.ããIt appears that this is all rumors at the moment. Here is the article that ãmentions it:ããhttps://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-starts-to-audit-java-customers-2016-12ããAnd here is the follow up article where Oracle denies it:ããhttps://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-says-it-is-not-ramping-up-a-audits-of-java-2016-12ããStill, considering that not all of the JRE is free is a terrible move to ãmake; regardless if it is corporate or home users.ãã-jagãCode it, Script it, Automate it!ãã... This message was brought to you by...ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwestbbs.com - Email denn@outwestbbs.comã

Re: Re: Javaã By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Thu Nov 15 2018 02:36 pmãã Ja> Still, considering that not all of the JRE is free is a terrible move to ã Ja> make; regardless if it is corporate or home users.ããI'm wondering if this will affect Android app developers (since Android appsãtypically use Java) - though Android doesn't use the standard Java runtime..ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Javaã By: Chai to All on Wed Nov 14 2018 07:56 pmãã > So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is going toã > start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curious if anyã > of you use Java at your jobs, and how this is affecting you.ããMy company is a Java shop. We use OpenJDK for this very reason.ãããThe Dawn of Demise BBS (tdod.org)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dawn of Demise (tdod.org:5000)ã

Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-ãã Ch> So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle is going toã Ch> start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was just curious if anyãã Ni> Wat? I haven't heard of this. As someone else asked, I'm curious ifã Ni> that's for the runtime or if it's for the JDK.ãã I got the notification when I updated my Java VM. I do have the SDKãnstalled.ã Personal licenses are still free until the year 2020. Business's will haveã to obtain a commercial license. I thought maybe at first, it might only ã apply to Java SE version 8, as that was what I had installed.ã But, I came across this:ã ã https://www.quora.com/Is-Oracle-going-to-charge-for-Java-from-2019ã ã andã ã https://goo.gl/Ubz6Jqã ã I've read that they will try to make the process for OpenJDK interchangeable,ã so companies can still go that route, lacking support and enterprise ã management tools.ã ã I'll do further research to see exactly what this implies. ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.comã

Re: Re: Javaã By: Jagossel to Chai on Thu Nov 15 2018 09:07 amããCh>> So, I'm a little late getting this info, but apparently Oracle isãCh>> going to start charging for updates to the Java platform. I was justãCh>> curious if any of you use Java at your jobs, and how this is affectingãCh>> you. ããSounds like Java's dead and they want some sucker customers to pay for aãlicense before it goes off into oblivion.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Jagossel wrote to Chai <=-ãã Ja> Oracle seems to be heading down the wrong direction, if thst were theã Ja> case. How is that going to work? You have to pay just to use the Javaã Ja> VM or pay to get the SDK? I would imagine the latter.ãã I've done some digging around. Updates to the Oracle version, support and ã enterprise tools will require a commercial license for non-personal use. ã However, they will be linking the builds with the OpenJDK, so that there ã is little to no technical difference. So, I suppose there is a roadmapã for business' to simply use the OpenJDK version without support, if theyã want to avoid Oracle subscriptions. It only affects the Oracle JDK.ã ã Ja> For crying out loud, at least Microsoft went in the proper directionã Ja> and has been working on opening up their .NET platorm by making theirã Ja> CLR and MSBUILD open source, and starting the .NET Core as an openã Ja> source project. Among other things that Microsoft bas changed over theã Ja> recent years after Bill Gates retired.ãã That's what the communities are saying. ã ã Ja> The software vendor I work for does use Java for their portal software,ã Ja> and we use it combine and minify our JavaScript files for our frontã Ja> end. I would imagine that will hurt us, but probably not stop us.ã Ja> Hopefully, the open source implementation, OpenJDK, will fill in theã Ja> gap.ãã If they will be keeping the technologies in sync, it sounds like it should.ã ã ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.comã

Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã Ja> It appears that this is all rumors at the moment. Here is the articleã Ja> that mentions it:ããIf it's all rumors, great. The notice I received came as part of an updateãfrom the Java updater. My understanding of Java licensing leaves somethingãto be desired, however.ããI also found this..ãã-------------------------------------ãInfoWorldã-------------------------------------ãWhat happens if you don’t renewããIf users do not renew a subscription, they lose rights to any commercial ãsoftware downloaded during the subscription. Access to Oracle Premier Support ãalso ends. Oracle recommends that those choosing not to renew transition to ãOpenJDK binaries from the company, offered under the GPL, before their ãsubscription ends. Doing so will let users keep running applications ãuninterrupted.ã--------------------------------------ãRef: https://goo.gl/vt6Ytsãã ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.comã

Re: Re: Javaã By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Thu Nov 15 2018 12:30 pmãã > I'm wondering if this will affect Android app developers (since Android appsã > typically use Java) - though Android doesn't use the standard Java runtime..ããFrom what I understand, it only affects the Oracle Java SDK. All of the otherãSDK providers are unaffected. So, depending on what variant Google is using,ãI'm guessing this will have little impact on them.ããAmazon even has a Java SDK, which I did not know. I'm learning, slowly.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.comã

Re: Re: Javaã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jagossel on Thu Nov 15 2018 05:53 pmãã PF> Sounds like Java's dead and they want some sucker customers to pay for aã PF> license before it goes off into oblivion.ããI thought I've heard Java is used in many different types of devices.. Oneãmajor place Java is used is on Android phones & tablets - though it uses aãdifferent runtime other than the standard Java runtime. I suppose you wouldn'tãnecessarily have to use Oracle's Java compiler for Android apps either.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Chai, to Nightfox...ãã > I'm wondering if this will affect Android app developers (since Android appsã > typically use Java) - though Android doesn't use the standard Java runtime..ãã Ch> From what I understand, it only affects the Oracle Java SDK. All ofã Ch> the other SDK providers are unaffected. So, depending on what variantã Ch> Google is using, I'm guessing this will have little impact on them.ãã Ch> Amazon even has a Java SDK, which I did not know. I'm learning,ã Ch> slowly.ããHaving to look into this a little bit myself, I am not too worried about ãit. To me, it just looks like Oracle JRE SE will just have a different ãpricing model to it, and Oracle is just jumping onto that "subscription ãpricing model" bandwagon that Adobe and Microsoft Office has adopted.ããSo, it seems like Oracle JRE SE will continue to be free for personal use; ãOracle is now offering a different way to have a commercial license paid ãfor (moving from a one-time payment to a per-user, per-month); and OpenJDK ãwill continue to be free (both libre and gratis), if not, there will ãprobably be a fork of OpenJDK that will be (like CentOS from RHEL).ããStill though, this just doesn't seem like a good business practice for the ãcomsumers of Oracle JRE SE. It just comes across, to me, that Oracle is ãtrying to collect some form of "royality fees".ããWe'll see how this will turn out.ãã-jagãCode it, Script it, Automate it!ãã... My monitor has two different grays of shade.ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwestbbs.com - Email denn@outwestbbs.comã

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