I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time in the evenings. I have heard about Python. What say you, programming gurus?ããGreaseãã... I'm a soldier, not a diplomat. I can only tell the truth.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ @GDark Matter BBS @R* @Ydarkmatt.synchro.net @R* @CHowdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to All on Mon Nov 11 2019 10:58 amãã Gr> I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time in theã Gr> evenings. I have heard about Python. What say you, programming gurus? ããI think python is a decent language for getting something done relatively easy.. It's an interpreted language rather than compiled (meaning you don't need to compile it, but if you really need a lot of speed for something, you're better off with a compiled language). Python is fairly nice though, and it includes a lot of useful libraries. It seems to be one of the more popular languages today.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to All on Mon Nov 11 2019 10:58 amãã > I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time in theã > evenings. I have heard about Python. What say you, programming gurus?ããBeing that you run Synchronet, start with JavaScript. :-)ãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #75:ãRob's alias "digital man" was inspired by a song on Rush's 1982 "Signals" album.ãNorco, CA WX: 75.7øF, 50.0% humidity, 0 mph N wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: Nightfox to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 11:01 amãã > Re: Which one?ã > By: Grease to All on Mon Nov 11 2019 10:58 amã >ã > Gr> I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time inã > Gr> the evenings. I have heard about Python. What say you, programmingã > Gr> gurus?ã >ã > I think python is a decent language for getting something done relativelyã > easy.. It's an interpreted language rather than compiled (meaning you don'tã > need to compile it, but if you really need a lot of speed for something,ã > you're better off with a compiled language). Python is fairly nice though,ã > and it includes a lot of useful libraries. It seems to be one of the moreã > popular languages today.ããPython can be compiled to native executables as well. Just an FYI.ãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #78:ãSynchronet Match Maker had at one time over 4000 profiles of men and women.ãNorco, CA WX: 75.7øF, 50.0% humidity, 0 mph N wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 02:24 pmãã DM> Python can be compiled to native executables as well. Just an FYI.ããAh, that's cool. A long time ago, I saw something that would make an .exe from Python code, but it would basically just bundle the Python interpreter with your code, so it still wasn't really compiled. I've heard of Python .NET as well, but if that's compiled to the .NET runtime, it would be similar to Java, I believe.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Nightfox to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 11:01 amãã Ni> I think python is a decent language for getting something done relativelyã Ni> easy.. It's an interpreted language rather than compiled (meaning youã Ni> don't need to compile it.ããI've seen this. I believe there are actual free sites where you build a game or something. Mainly, I just want to see how stuff works without having to learn a hundred languages. Speed is not an issue. We learned Paschal in high school. Typing in IBM EPSIDIC (sp?) cards. I don't remember a thing almost 40 years later.ããGreaseãã... Eye witnesses were on the scene in minutes.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Dark Matter BBS * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Digital Man to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 02:23 pmãã DM> Being that you run Synchronet, start with JavaScript. :-)ããHaha. I was thinking this too. Can't decide between this or Python. Is there a freebie site to start on this? Where would I go?ããGreaseãã... As a boy, he swallowed a teaspoon. And he hasn't stirred since.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Dark Matter BBS * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Digital Man to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 02:23 pmãã >> I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time inãã DM> Being that you run Synchronet, start with JavaScript. :-)ãã That reminds me. Is there any difference between Javascript for Synchronet BBS and Javascript for Web pages?ãã Havens BBSãã SysOp: HusTlerãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Havens BBS havens.synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: HusTler to Digital Man on Mon Nov 11 2019 08:28 pmãã Hu> That reminds me. Is there any difference between Javascript for Synchronetã Hu> BBS and Javascript for Web pages? ããYes, there's a big difference. Synchronet defines its own functions & objects for use in JavaScript. There's no DOM or anything web page-related to Synchronet's JavaScript.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Digital Man on Mon Nov 11 2019 06:05 pmãã > Re: Which one?ã > By: Digital Man to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 02:23 pmã >ã > DM> Being that you run Synchronet, start with JavaScript. :-)ã >ã > Haha. I was thinking this too. Can't decide between this or Python. Is thereã > a freebie site to start on this? Where would I go?ããFor Synchronet? Start here: http://wiki.synchro.net/custom:javascriptãã digital manããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #72:ãSysop = System OperatorãNorco, CA WX: 72.8øF, 39.0% humidity, 2 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: HusTler to Digital Man on Mon Nov 11 2019 08:28 pmãã > Re: Which one?ã > By: Digital Man to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 02:23 pmã >ã > >> I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time inã >ã > DM> Being that you run Synchronet, start with JavaScript. :-)ã >ã > That reminds me. Is there any difference between Javascript for Synchronetã > BBS and Javascript for Web pages?ããYes. While the core language is the same (compared with older web browsers, at least), the object model (the classes and functions available) is different. New web browsers support ECMAScript 6 syntax, while Synchronet's JS engine is still using ES5.ãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #14:ãSBBSecho was originally written by Allen Christiansen (King Drafus) in 1994.ãNorco, CA WX: 72.8øF, 39.0% humidity, 2 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Nov 12 2019 05:31 pmãã >> That reminds me. Is there any difference between Javascript forã >> Synchronet BBS and Javascript for Web pages?ãã DM> Yes. While the core language is the same (compared with older webã DM> browsers, at least), the object model (the classes and functionsã DM> available) is different. New web browsers support ECMAScript 6 syntax,ã DM> while Synchronet's JS engine is still using ES5. ãã Can you recommend any books? I have "A better way to learn Javascrypt" but the examples are to be run in any browser. ãã Havens BBSãã SysOp: HusTlerãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Havens BBS havens.synchro.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 06:03 pmãã Gr> Re: Which one?ã Gr> By: Nightfox to Grease on Mon Nov 11 2019 11:01 amãã Ni>> I think python is a decent language for getting something doneã Ni>> relatively easy.. It's an interpreted language rather than compiledã Ni>> (meaning you don't need to compile it.ãã Gr> I've seen this. I believe there are actual free sites where you build aã Gr> game or something. Mainly, I just want to see how stuff works withoutã Gr> having to learn a hundred languages. Speed is not an issue. We learnedã Gr> Paschal in high school. Typing in IBM EPSIDIC (sp?) cards. I don'tã Gr> remember a thing almost 40 years later. ããPython is fun to play around with on a raspberry PI.ãã... Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBSã

Re: Which one?ã By: Digital Man to Grease on Tue Nov 12 2019 05:30 pmãã DM> For Synchronet? Start here: http://wiki.synchro.net/custom:javascriptããI saw that, but I also saw a 7 or 8 module lesson on CodeAcademy. ãFor Synchronet, I think it would be fun.ããGreaseãã... Some things have got to be believed to be seen.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ @CDark Matter BBS@ * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Denn to Grease on Wed Nov 13 2019 12:00 amãã De> Python is fun to play around with on a raspberry PI.ããThat's where I first saw it. There is a kids game that teaches the basics and I've been usung ming for RetroPie. Might have to switch.ããGreaseãã... Failure is a measurement that depends on the standard applied.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ @CDark Matter BBS@ * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: HusTler to Digital Man on Tue Nov 12 2019 11:00 pmãã > Re: Which one?ã > By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Nov 12 2019 05:31 pmã >ã > >> That reminds me. Is there any difference between Javascript forã > >> Synchronet BBS and Javascript for Web pages?ã >ã > DM> Yes. While the core language is the same (compared with older webã > DM> browsers, at least), the object model (the classes and functionsã > DM> available) is different. New web browsers support ECMAScript 6 syntax,ã > DM> while Synchronet's JS engine is still using ES5.ã >ã > Can you recommend any books? I have "A better way to learn Javascrypt" butã > the examples are to be run in any browser.ããTo learn basic JavaScript syntax, a browser is a fine platform. For Synchronet specific stuff, see exec/*.js and reference the resources linked to from http://wiki.synchro.net/custom:javascriptãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #48:ãSynchronet directory naming (i.e. ctrl, exec, data) was suggested by S. Deppe.ãNorco, CA WX: 75.5øF, 44.0% humidity, 7 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-ãã Ni> I think python is a decent language for getting something doneã Ni> relatively easy.. It's an interpreted language rather than compiledã Ni> (meaning you don't need to compile it, but if you really need a lot ofã Ni> speed for something, you're better off with a compiled language).ããIt depends on where you need the speed. For microcontrollers they now haveãCircuit/MicroPython for with many of them. Microcontrollers have historicallyãbeen an area that needs speed.ããAs computers got faster and cheaper, program execution speed has gotten lessãimportant for many kinds of apps.ããNow I'm not saying that execution speed isn't important at all. But if you areãworking for a company, there are other costs - like time to create and maintainãthe software - that overshadows the costs of slower execution.ã ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Two Dudes BBS - twodudesbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Denn on Wed Nov 13 2019 12:03 pmãã De>> Python is fun to play around with on a raspberry PI.ãã Gr> That's where I first saw it. There is a kids game that teaches the basicsã Gr> and I've been usung ming for RetroPie. Might have to switch. ããDo what I did, shake the money tree and buy a second RPI.ãactually I'm considering buying the PI4 with 4GB ram now:)ããI play around with my PI2 and run a second BBS on my PI3ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBSã

Re: Which one?ã By: Denn to Grease on Wed Nov 13 2019 10:57 pmãã > Re: Which one?ã > By: Grease to Denn on Wed Nov 13 2019 12:03 pmã > ã > De>> Python is fun to play around with on a raspberry PI.ã > ã > Gr> That's where I first saw it. There is a kids game that teaches the basiã > Gr> and I've been usung ming for RetroPie. Might have to switch.ã > ã > Do what I did, shake the money tree and buy a second RPI.ã > actually I'm considering buying the PI4 with 4GB ram now:)ã > ã > I play around with my PI2 and run a second BBS on my PI3ã > ããBefore I bought my Pi I was learning with a spare PC. Fund someone who isãtoissing out a 10 y/o pc, install linux and python. Only advantage with an Rpãi is if you have a breadboard and wish to play with the programmable I/Oãportsãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Which one?ã By: Moondog to Denn on Thu Nov 14 2019 10:46 amãã Mo> Before I bought my Pi I was learning with a spare PC. Fund someone who isã Mo> toissing out a 10 y/o pc, install linux and python. Only advantage with anã Mo> Rp i is if you have a breadboard and wish to play with the programmableã Mo> I/O portsããI got both. Just have to allocate the time and the grey matter.ããGreaseãã... Marie-Joseph? It's a lovely name! It just sounds silly, that's all.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ @CDark Matter BBS@ * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to All on Mon Nov 11 2019 10:58:50ãã > I was wanting to learn to program some. Something in my spare time in theã > evenings. I have heard about Python. What say you, programming gurus?ããWhen I can't use C I really like coding in Perl. I have created many utils and games in it.ããMarisaã--- https://SynchronetBBS.org/OurServers - A list of all our websitesã--- https://SynchronetBBS.org/HostSplash - SBBS hosting for $14/monthã þ Synchronet þ Amiga City - The BBS for the Amiga - more than 3,500+ filesã

Re: Which one?ã By: Marisag to Grease on Tue Dec 03 2019 12:25 pmãã > When I can't use C I really like coding in Perl. I have created many utilsã > and games in it.ããI have heard of it. I found a class for JS on CodeAcademy. So, I think I'mãgoing to try that. Maybe Python or Perl next.ããIs it an easy language to learn?ãããGreaseãdarmatt.synchro.netãã...How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Dark Matter BBS * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Marisag on Thu Dec 05 2019 09:46 amãã >> When I can't use C I really like coding in Perl. I have created manyã >> utils and games in it.ãã Gr> I have heard of it. I found a class for JS on CodeAcademy. So, I think I'mã Gr> going to try that. Maybe Python or Perl next.ãã Gr> Is it an easy language to learn?ããI've written in Perl a bit. I've heard some people say Perl is easy to write but not easy to read, and I think that's fairly true. Try to read someone's Perl code, or even your own 6 months later, and you might wonder "WTF is going on here?"ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Nightfox to Grease on Thu Dec 05 2019 10:31 amãã > I've written in Perl a bit. I've heard some people say Perl is easy toã > write but not easy to read, and I think that's fairly true. Try to readã > someone's Perl code, or even your own 6 months later, and you might wonderã > "WTF is going on here?"ããI did the first two lessons for free on CodeAcademy for JS. The keywords, strings and variables so far, are pretty straightforward. I can kinda follow along. Of course, I've done nothing longer than 10 line. Haha.ãããGreaseãdarmatt.synchro.netãã...I intend to live forever. So far, so good.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Dark Matter BBS * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy from Texas!ã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Nightfox on Thu Dec 05 2019 04:21 pmãã Gr> I did the first two lessons for free on CodeAcademy for JS. The keywords,ã Gr> strings and variables so far, are pretty straightforward. I can kindaã Gr> follow along. Of course, I've done nothing longer than 10 line. Haha. ããI had done a bit of JS professionally, but I really started to get some practice with JS when I started writing JS modules for Synchronet. I know about the core language, but a lot of JS-related jobs seem to focus a lot on web-based JS. There are cases where embedded JS is used (like in Synchronet) though.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Which one?ã By: Grease to Marisag on Thu Dec 05 2019 09:46 amãã > I have heard of it. I found a class for JS on CodeAcademy. So, I think I'mã > going to try that. Maybe Python or Perl next.ãã > Is it an easy language to learn?ãããpython and perl are easy to pick upã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã