I just was playing around with the Docker options on a Synology NAS (an x86 model - a DS720+) and trying to get Synchronet installed on it. Seems that there's a whole whackload of common service ports that are reserved in Synology's DSM NAS OS that require a lot of workarounds, even when you're not using those services on the NAS. I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with that kind of deployment and what kind of problems you ran into and the conclusions you got to at the end of it all. I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it, but I did try rerouting some of the web ports, although I ended up getting the built-in nginx web server giving remote application errors. I just found that using a full VM is a whole lot easier. Anyway, if anybody has any tips from their own experience, I'd welcome them, otherwise I'll just continue on with the VM that I'm working with.

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Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS via Docker?ã By: Waethorn to All on Wed Sep 14 2022 17:34:03ãã Wa> I just was playing around with the Docker options on a Synology NAS (an x86 model - a DS720+) and trying to get Synchronetã Wa> installed on it. Seems that there's a whole whackload of common service ports that are reserved in Synology's DSM NAS OSããi seem to remember seeing a disussion a few days ago about docker . it may have been on the sysop channel but they were working on something.ãã Wa> installed on it. Seems that there's a whole whackload of common service ports that are reserved in Synology's DSM NAS OSã Wa> that require a lot of workarounds, even when you're not using those services on the NAS. I'm just wondering if anyone hasãthat's why i built my own nas. to be honest, only thing that's actually good on the synologies are the UX, but freenas is just as good.ãã Wa> easier. Anyway, if anybody has any tips from their own experience, I'd welcome them, otherwise I'll just continue on withã Wa> the VM that I'm working with.ããpersonally, i wouls go with a VM or even an LXC container. an LXC container might work well. I know it runs in one as that's what I started running mine on while i was sourcing hardware. but that's also probably because i have no idea about docker and have never used it lolããregardsãCharles Blackburn ãSYSOP - The F.B.O BBS ãAviation related fun @ bbs.thefbo.us IPV4 and IPV6ãDOVE-Net ãComing soon: FSX-Net, FIDO-Netãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The FBO BBS - bbs.thefbo.us - A place for aviation fun....ã

On 9/14/22 17:34, Waethorn wrote:

I just was playing around with the Docker options on a Synology NAS
(an x86 model - a DS720+) and trying to get Synchronet installed on
it.

Should be able to use the bbs-io images without issue (assuming it's an
x86 model) otherwise, you'd have to do your own build.

Seems that there's a whole whackload of common service ports that are reserved in Synology's DSM NAS OS that require a lot of workarounds,

You *should* be able to run all the BBS services with redirects from non-standard ports...

ex: router:23 -> nas:50080 -> docker-instance:80

even when you're not using those services on the NAS. I'm just
wondering if anyone has any experience with that kind of deployment
and what kind of problems you ran into

Not many... worth noting, that if your ISP blocks common service ports,
most do for residential connections... you'll need to accept incoming on
those non-standard ports. Also, won't be able to use the secure certs
via Let's Encrypt as it is... I hadn't looked into it enough to try to
import the certs from a different system that used DNS to do the let's encrypt.

and the conclusions you got to at the end of it all. I didn't spend
a whole lot of time on it, but I did try rerouting some of the web
ports, although I ended up getting the built-in nginx web server
giving remote application errors. I just found that using a full VM
is a whole lot easier.

Yeah, the default web ports are *DEFINITELY* captured by the NAS box...
mine does have the option to reverse-proxy certain hostnames though, you
might consider that.

Anyway, if anybody has any tips from their own experience, I'd welcome
them, otherwise I'll just continue on with the VM that I'm working
with.

Not much more than mentioned above... the main thing would be listening
on non-standard ports, and having your router NAT the inbound to the
listening ports.

You also may want to look at Caddy as a reverse-web proxy if you want to
have more sites running that aren't synchronet for web usage... NginX
works too, just caddy is slightly easier imo.
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On 9/15/22 03:53, Charles Blackburn wrote:

personally, i wouls go with a VM or even an LXC container. an LXC
container might work well. I know it runs in one as that's what I
started running mine on while i was sourcing hardware. but that's
also probably because i have no idea about docker and have never
used it lol

Docker is mostly some really nice tooling around LXC and a few other pieces.
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Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockerã By: Tracker1 to Charles Blackburn on Wed Sep 21 2022 21:35:33ãã >> started running mine on while i was sourcing hardware. but that'sã >> also probably because i have no idea about docker and have neverã >> used it lolã Tr> Docker is mostly some really nice tooling around LXC and a few other pieces.ããto be honest. as i say, never used it.. I just run lxc containers in my proxmox node for most my little things (torrent, apt mirror etc) the others i run full vms.ããregardsã---ããCharles BlackburnãThe F.B.O BBS 21:1/221 618:250/36ãbbs.thefbo.us IPV4/V6ãDOVE-Net FSX-Net MicroNET USENETã---ã þ Synchronet þ The FBO BBS - bbs.thefbo.us - A place for aviation fun....ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: Charles Blackburn to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 22 2022 07:36 amãã > >> used it lolã > Tr> Docker is mostly some really nice tooling around LXC and a few otherã > Tr> pieces.ã >ã > to be honest. as i say, never used it.. I just run lxc containers in myã > proxmox node for most my little things (torrent, apt mirror etc) the othersã > i run full vms.ã >ããsome people are really into docker and some arent. I am fine with just running vms when i need to do something.ããsome guy made a linux docker vm out of a windows rengade bbs i setup with a bunch of windows shit and made a big mess so that spoiled it for me in the beginning. it just seems overcomplicated to do a docker container than setup something in a vm.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Thu Sep 22 2022 15:57:55ããã >> to be honest. as i say, never used it.. I just run lxc containers in my proxmox node for most my little things (torrent,ã >> apt mirror etc) the others i run full vms.ã MR> some people are really into docker and some arent. I am fine with just running vms when i need to do something.ããyea. i know a couple of people that are like that... oh docker for this, docker for that blah blah... spin a vm up it's just as easy.ãã MR> some guy made a linux docker vm out of a windows rengade bbs i setup with a bunch of windows shit and made a big mess soã MR> that spoiled it for me in the beginning. it just seems overcomplicated to do a docker container than setup something in aã MR> vm.ãlol that's irony. I was just playing around with renegade last night in a DOS VM LOL I found my old ezycom stuff and my key, but started off playing around with renegade when i couldn't get ezy going because apparently my 1st gen key is no good for the last gen s/w lolããregardsã---ããCharles BlackburnãThe F.B.O BBS 21:1/221 618:250/36ãbbs.thefbo.us IPV4/V6ãDOVE-Net FSX-Net MicroNET USENETã---ã þ Synchronet þ The FBO BBS - bbs.thefbo.us - A place for aviation fun....ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: Charles Blackburn to MRO on Fri Sep 23 2022 07:11 amãã > lol that's irony. I was just playing around with renegade last night in aã > DOS VM LOL I found my old ezycom stuff and my key, but started off playingã > around with renegade when i couldn't get ezy going because apparently my 1stã > gen key is no good for the last gen s/w lolããyou don't really have to use renegade in a dos vm unless you are just playing around. you can make one that works in windows xp [don't do that] windows 7 or windows 10 32bit.ããif you want a ezycom reg code you can use the one i have forãezycomBBSv2.15g2ããokay i just looked and now my reg code no longer works. so he did some weirdãstuff where my free code i requested only worked for a short time or something else is up. the guy who took over was a do-nothing and he was very weird about registrations so he probably did some funny business.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Fri Sep 23 2022 05:52 pmãã > if you want a ezycom reg code you can use the one i have forã > ezycomBBSv2.15g2ã >ã > okay i just looked and now my reg code no longer works. so he did some weirdã > stuff where my free code i requested only worked for a short time orã > something else is up. the guy who took over was a do-nothing and he wasã > very weird about registrations so he probably did some funny business.ããokay i just looked again and i needed to type in the fake sysop name i registered with. somehow it cleared out.ããi talked to T1ny and he is going to ask the guy for a free code for everyoneãto use. the author had the ole harddrive crash no backup thing.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

On 9/22/22 13:57, MRO wrote:

some people are really into docker and some arent. I am fine with just running vms when i need to do something.

some guy made a linux docker vm out of a windows rengade bbs i setup
with a bunch of windows shit and made a big mess so that spoiled it
for me in the beginning. it just seems overcomplicated to do a docker container than setup something in a vm.

Might be easier to think of it as really lightweight
application-specific VMs. In general it becomes a lot less complicated
in practice.

If I want to use a database, I can just spin up a container, I don't
need to worry about dependencies, or what they might do for my host
OS... and for more esoteric apps even more so.

Upgrades become easier too... since my data is outside the container, I
just stop, update to a newer image, and start with the same data
directory... not separate OS upgrades, dependencies or application
updates all of which can effect one another and break in unexpected
ways. The application, database, server all have software that they
need and works together. Yeah it can take more storage overall, but with
a layered file system, containers with the same base image don't take up
extra room.

Biggest headaches come from software that isn't designed to separate
data, configuration and application binaries/scripts. This becomes a
bit more difficult to byzantine under the covers... in the end it's
about presenting a more seamless experience overall though.

Other niceties, you can run some services that don't need direct
read/write access to running read-only container instances, so entire
classes of security breaches become so much less likely. You can also
more easily isolate backing storage from the services as well. This
means you're more likely to use something like an rdbms over direct file
based data stores.

At scale, it also means you can upgrade/downgrade services and
fail-overs en-masse... This, frankly becomes a lot less necessary at
small scale, where you may not have redundant hardware... that said, inter-process communication and services becomes easier to manage with
docker.

Docker-compose in particular is really useful at smaller scales, and for
local development with various connected services... kind of like an in between for managing by hand and going full kubernetes.

If you pink me on FB Messenger, I'd be happy to do a screen share, where
I can show you how I can connect/manage update etc my BBS in practice.
It's actually really slick.
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Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Fri Sep 23 2022 17:52:34ããã MR> Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã MR> By: Charles Blackburn to MRO on Fri Sep 23 2022 07:11 amã >> lol that's irony. I was just playing around with renegade last night in a DOS VM LOL I found my old ezycom stuff and myã >> key, but started off playing around with renegade when i couldn't get ezy going because apparently my 1st gen key is noã >> good for the last gen s/w lolã MR> you don't really have to use renegade in a dos vm unless you are just playing around. you can make one that works in windowsã MR> xp [don't do that] windows 7 or windows 10 32bit.ããyea that's all i was doing just screwing around. reminiscing as they say lolãã MR> if you want a ezycom reg code you can use the one i have forã MR> ezycomBBSv2.15g2ã MR> okay i just looked and now my reg code no longer works. so he did some weird stuff where my free code i requested onlyã MR> worked for a short time or something else is up. the guy who took over was a do-nothing and he was very weird aboutã MR> registrations so he probably did some funny business.ããyea, my legit one i've had since V1 doesnt work either. I pulled it out of my emails "Stephen Gibbs" sent it back to me after i'd lost it back in 2011 and was working then. ããI was one of the original beta testers back in the 1.2 days around 95 before peter gave it up and then i moved back to the uk.ããI loved it cus it was sooo easy to use and maintain.ããregardsã---ããCharles BlackburnãThe F.B.O BBS 21:1/221 618:250/36ãbbs.thefbo.us IPV4/V6ãDOVE-Net FSX-Net MicroNET USENETã---ã þ Synchronet þ The FBO BBS - bbs.thefbo.us - A place for aviation fun....ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Fri Sep 23 2022 18:23:37ãã >> if you want a ezycom reg code you can use the one i have for ezycomBBSv2.15g2ãã<CUT>ãã MR> okay i just looked again and i needed to type in the fake sysop name i registered with. somehow it cleared out.ã MR> i talked to T1ny and he is going to ask the guy for a free code for everyoneã MR> to use. the author had the ole harddrive crash no backup thing.ããooh.. stephens still around? i might pop him an email if he is still at his amnet address...ããcharlieã---ããCharles BlackburnãThe F.B.O BBS 21:1/221 618:250/36ãbbs.thefbo.us IPV4/V6ãDOVE-Net FSX-Net MicroNET USENETã---ã þ Synchronet þ The FBO BBS - bbs.thefbo.us - A place for aviation fun....ã

Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: Tracker1 to MRO on Fri Sep 23 2022 08:43 pmãã > Might be easier to think of it as really lightweightã > application-specific VMs. In general it becomes a lot less complicatedã > in practice.ã >ã > If I want to use a database, I can just spin up a container, I don'tã > need to worry about dependencies, or what they might do for my hostã > OS... and for more esoteric apps even more so.ã >ã > Upgrades become easier too... since my data is outside the container, Iã > just stop, update to a newer image, and start with the same dataã > directory... not separate OS upgrades, dependencies or applicationã > updates all of which can effect one another and break in unexpectedã > ways. The application, database, server all have software that theyã > need and works together. Yeah it can take more storage overall, but withã > a layered file system, containers with the same base image don't take upã > extra room.ã >ã > Biggest headaches come from software that isn't designed to separateã > data, configuration and application binaries/scripts. This becomes aã > bit more difficult to byzantine under the covers... in the end it'sã > about presenting a more seamless experience overall though.ã >ããyeah i what how it is and how it works pretty much. i've played with it.ãi've used some docker containers when playing around.ãã > If you pink me on FB Messenger, I'd be happy to do a screen share, whereã > I can show you how I can connect/manage update etc my BBS in practice.ãããi dont know what you mean by pink. i dont really use facebook or fb msger that much.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

On 9/24/22 02:17, MRO wrote:

yeah i what how it is and how it works pretty much. i've played with
it. i've used some docker containers when playing around.

It's definitely useful in ways.

If you pink me on FB Messenger, I'd be happy to do a screen share,
where I can show you how I can connect/manage update etc my BBS in
practice.

i dont know what you mean by pink. i dont really use facebook or fb
msger that much.

I meant "ping"
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Re: Re: Anybody ever try installing Synchronet on a prebuilt NAS viaDockeã By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Sep 26 2022 04:24 pmãã >ã > > i dont know what you mean by pink. i dont really use facebook or fbã > > msger that much.ã >ã > I meant "ping"ããyou could say talk to you on fb messenger.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã