//Hello All,//ããFresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems ããAny suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCostaã--- WinPoint 415.0ã * Origin: Another Random *WinPoint* Origin! (1:153/7715.25)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

On 2/27/2023 6:49 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote to All:ãã-> Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with noã-> problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III useã-> the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to theã-> firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewallã-> disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilitiesã-> work with no problems ã-> ã-> Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCostaããIf you have a domain name associated with it, I would go to https://www.dynu.com/ ãand create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS records that should ãtake you right to your site.ããYou would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where the domain ãname resides to the ones they assign you.ããThey also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associated with it up to ãdate in case it changes for any reason.ããMike Dippelã ã--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0ã * Origin: The Hobby Line! Internet hobbylinebbs.com (3:712/1321.5)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Connection Refusedã By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 amãã > //Hello All,//ã >ã > Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with noã > problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if IIIã > use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronetã > to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with theã > firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer andã > Remote Utilities work with no problemsã >ã > Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCostaããyou need to trouble shooot it more. make sure you are using the correct settings. make sure your router is setup correctly. make sure you isp does not block that portããteamviewer works through a firewall, so that means nothing.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: RE: Connection Refusedã By: Mike Dippel to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:01 amãã > If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go toã > https://www.dynu.com/ã > and create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS recordsã > that shouldã > take you right to your site.ã >ã > You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where theã > domainã > name resides to the ones they assign you.ã >ã > They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associatedã > with it up toã > date in case it changes for any reason.ã >ã > Mike Dippelããwill that make his bbs connectable?ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

On 2/27/2023 06:44, Thom LaCosta wrote:

//Hello All,//

Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta
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� Synchronet � Vertrauen � Home of Synchronet � [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net

What is your external IP address?

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Re: Connection Refusedã By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 amãã > //Hello All,//ã >ã > Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with noã > problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if IIIã > use the external address presented by the router.ããAre you trying to connect from the same computer as the BBS itself? That will only work (connecting to the public/WAN address) if your router/gateway support s hairpinning correctly. Does it?ãã > I have added synchronetã > to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with theã > firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer andã > Remote Utilities work with no problemsã >ã > Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCostaããUse tools like this to see if your ports are remotely accessible:ãhttp://vert.synchro.net/scanmyports.ssjsã-- ã digital man (rob)ããSling Blade quote #20:ãDoyle: Hey is this the kind of retard that drools and rubs shit in his hair?ãNorco, CA WX: 50.9øF, 70.0% humidity, 0 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

On 27 Feb 2023, MRO said the following...ã ã MR> Re: RE: Connection Refusedã MR> By: Mike Dippel to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:01 amã MR> ã MR> > If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go toã MR> > https://www.dynu.com/ã MR> > and create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS recorã MR> > that shouldã MR> > take you right to your site.ã MR> >ã MR> > You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel whereã MR> > domainã MR> > name resides to the ones they assign you.ã MR> >ã MR> > They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associã MR> > with it up toã MR> > date in case it changes for any reason.ã MR> >ã MR> > Mike Dippelã MR> ã MR> will that make his bbs connectable?ã MR> ---ããWorks for me. I run my Mystic system from home and get a lot of action (most of it bots) but it does work. Just using a domain name gets them in without having to add anything else to the string like synchro.net or whatever.ããMike Dippelãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)ã * Origin: Mystic Hobbies BBS mystic-hobbies.com (3:712/1321.6)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Connection Refusedã By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 amãã > Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with noã > problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if IIIã > use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronetã > to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with theã > firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer andã > Remote Utilities work with no problemsããHave you by chance tried configuring a different port number for the BBS? Not sure what ISP you're using, but mine basically blocks all incoming traffic for common ports like 22 / 23 / 80 / 443.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ 0xDECAFBAD - bbs.decafbad.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Mike Dippel to MRO on Mon Feb 27 2023 02:30 pmãã > Works for me. I run my Mystic system from home and get a lot of actionã > (most of it bots) but it does work. Just using a domain name gets them inã > without having to add anything else to the string like synchro.net orã > whatever.ã >ããno, his bbs is not connectable. that is the issue.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Connection Refusedã By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 amãã > Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using anã > internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router.ãYour router should have an option for "Port Forwarding", so if you "telnet" to your external IP you need to make sure your router routes any requests for Port 23 (telnet://yourip) to the correct computer on your network.ããIf you're using SSH, that uses port 22 by default,. Rlogin is 513. The ports are listed. You should only open what you need and best to configure sbbs to listen for telnet on a non-normal port.ãã > I have addedã > synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled.ã > Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problemsããYour firewall just blocks stuff that gets to your computer. Your internet traffic is getting blocked by your router, and as stated, teamviewer uses an external server to route traffic past your router, and is insecure as "eff". Seriously, delete that shit.ããGood tool for checking to make sure your local network has the right ports open (and none you don't want open) is http://nmap.org, but this won't help you get traffic from outside your network.ããWhat DM suggested using "scanmyports.ssjs" from your BBS system is what you want to do.ããAlso keep in mind sometimes ISPs just block Ports because it's easier than dealing with rampent compromised systems and unprotected smtp relaying.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Shodan's Core @ ShodansCore.comã

Mike,ãã MD> If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go toã MD> https://www.dynu.com/ and create a free account. They will assign youã MD> a new set of DNS records that should take you right to your site.ãã MD> You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel whereã MD> the domain name resides to the ones they assign you.ãã MD> They also provide a free software download that will keep the IPã MD> associated with it up to date in case it changes for any reason.ãã I use them for the alternate domain of wx4qzbbs.ddnsfree.com to go withãtbolt.synchro.net ãã When I start the BBS computer (after being down for thunderstorms, whichãare likely here Wednesday into Friday, with a risk of severe weather (it'sãTornado Season in Arkansas now)), I start PeerBlock first...then the DYNUãclient, then the Synchronet Control Panel.ããDarylãã... Have you thanked your Sysop or Echo Moderator today??ã=== MultiMail/Win v0.52ã--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32ã * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Connection Refusedã By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44:05ãã TL> Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect withã TL> no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect ifã TL> III use the external address presented by the router. I have addedã TL> synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted toããAre you using the external IP from inside your network? That could be an issue with your router configuration that doesn't allow return connections in that way.ããAside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internet provider connection, many/most providers block common server ports from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323 and see if that works instead... you can probably just change the port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Connection Refusedã By: Digital Man to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:50:17ãã DM> Use tools like this to see if your ports are remotely accessible:ã DM> http://vert.synchro.net/scanmyports.ssjsããMight be worth looking up both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses... I setup https://ipv4.bbs.land and https://ipv6.bbs.land to return the requesting IP, and added appropriate CORS headers so that it can be called from any domain inside a browser.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

On 03-01-23 07:02, Tracker1 mumbled to Thom LaCosta about Connection Refused. ãã Tr> Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internetã Tr> provider connection, many/most providers block common server portsã Tr> from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323ã Tr> and see if that works instead... you can probably just change theã Tr> port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the hostã Tr> on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.ããSorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting trafficãin. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how do you do this?ããããã Greaseã Supreme High Potentateã Dark Matter BBSããã... A cat is always on the wrong side of the door!ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet
þ Dark Matter BBS - darkmatt.synchro.netã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 05:28 pmãã Gr> Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not lettingã Gr> traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how doã Gr> you do this? ããIf port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking that port, I'd guess.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 05:28 pmãã > Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not lettingã > traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how doã > you do this?ã >ããhahahaããportforward.com probablyã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-ãã Ni> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blockingã Ni> that port, I'd guess.ããI hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyãstart blocking telnet that would really suck.ãããã... All of my certifications are self-signed.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 05:51 amãã > -=> Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-ã >ã > Ni> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blockingã > Ni> that port, I'd guess.ã >ã > I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã > start blocking telnet that would really suck.ã >ã >ããi can understand why they would block it. if you have residential you should not be running servers.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:14 pmãã > Ni>> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP isã > Ni>> blocking that port, I'd guess.ãã >> I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã >> start blocking telnet that would really suck.ãã MR> i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential youã MR> should not be running servers.ããWhy is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS is technically a server.ããThe only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" with residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money by charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have the restrictions that their residential internet service has.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã > Ni> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blockingã > Ni> that port, I'd guess.ãã > I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã > start blocking telnet that would really suck.ãã MR> i can understand why they would block it. if you have residentialã MR> you should not be running servers.ããWhy not?ãããã... Press any key to continue or any other key to quitã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:45 pmãã > >> I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã > >> start blocking telnet that would really suck.ã >ã > MR> i can understand why they would block it. if you have residentialã >ã > MR> youã > MR> should not be running servers.ã >ã > Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS isã > technically a server.ããbecause what you are buying isnt intended to be used in that way.ãthat's why some isps block ports. that's why most of the residential ips areãon spam block lists. so you cant spam people by running an email SERVER at home.ããi had some clown [foxriver.net] report me as a spammer when he signed up for my email mailing list. my isp investigated me and saw that i wasn't running anything commercial so they flagged my account as being okay.ããnot only THAT, but what he reported was on a commercial hosted server. i had an unrelated bbs running at home.ããanyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy business internet access.ããthat's the way it is.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 06:16 pmãã >> Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS isã >> technically a server.ãã MR> because what you are buying isnt intended to be used in that way.ã MR> that's why some isps block ports. that's why most of the residential ipsã MR> are on spam block lists. so you cant spam people by running an emailã MR> SERVER at home.ãã MR> anyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy businessã MR> internet access.ããMy BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 07:16 pmãã >ã > MR> anyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy businessã > MR> internet access.ã >ã > My BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.ã >ããyeah but you are providing services to other people and doing something out of the norm. so that's how they see it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

So if I want to run a irc server, i have to buy internet that costs hundreds ofãdollars? IRC is a server.. Technically, BBSs are telnet and ssh servers.ããnah, I dont buy it. Its all so companies can charge more money so theyãblock certain ports. Only mail can I even seen an argue, but that wasãreally back in the day when everyone had an open relay. What you chooseãto do with the internet service you buy is your business.ã/rantãã-Nugax (cbbs)ããã--- CyberBBS v1.0.10 2023/03/02 [Debian Linux/x64]ã * Origin: CyberBBS WHQ BBS | http://www.cyberbbs.co (1:19/40)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

My BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.ã MR> yeah but you are providing services to other people and doing somethingã MR> out of the norm. so that's how they see it.ãã I actually had a jerk at an ISP try to tell me providing telnet access to my BBS was providing their internet to others who telnet'ed in to my BBS! What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talking about, just shut up, rather than show the proof!ããJohn H. Guilloryãcall sign KF5QEOãURL: kf5qeo.servebbs.netãKF5QEO's Shack BBSãã... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)ã * Origin: KF5QEO's Shack -- kf5qeo.servebbs.netã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:14 pmãã > Ni>> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP isã > Ni>> blocking that port, I'd guess.ãã >> I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã >> start blocking telnet that would really suck.ãã MR> i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential youã MR> should not be running servers.ãã Lots of ISPs do it for "security". There are a lot of old wifi routers out there that just allowed telnet access via the public IP, and most people didn't change the default login.ããDaiTenguãã...Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:45 pmãã > Ni>>> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP isã > Ni>>> blocking that port, I'd guess.ãã >>> I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, ifã >>> they start blocking telnet that would really suck.ãã MR>> i can understand why they would block it. if you have residentialã MR>> you should not be running servers.ãã Ni> Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS isã Ni> technically a server.ãã Ni> The only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" withã Ni> residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money byã Ni> charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have theã Ni> restrictions that their residential internet service has.ãã ISPs have been blocking ports for years. The public line is that it's "for security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a default login/pass. SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk having their IP address space associated with spam. ããI get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on port 23, so I guess I can see why they would want to do this. ããSome ISPs will also block 80, 443, 21, 22, and 53 as well. ããThose are the ISPs That will then try to upsell you to business class to get those ports unblocked. ããDaiTenguãã...Distrust your first impressions; they are invariably too favorable.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: John Guillory to MRO on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:45 amãã JG> I actually had a jerk at an ISP try to tell me providing telnet access toã JG> my BBS was providing their internet to others who telnet'ed in to my BBS!ã JG> What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talking about,ã JG> just shut up, rather than show the proof!ããMaybe he doesn't understand what a BBS is. You're not providing access to the whole internet. If someone wants to get general like that, running a BBS is more akin to running a web site of some sort.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Chad Adams to MRO on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:14 amãã > So if I want to run a irc server, i have to buy internet that costs hundredsã > of dollars? IRC is a server.. Technically, BBSs are telnet and ssh servers.ã >ããirc is an even bigger threat. they equate that with botnets and attacks.ãã > really back in the day when everyone had an open relay. What you chooseã > to do with the internet service you buy is your business.ããthat's the way you feel about it. the people that hold the keys have a different viewpoint.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Mar 03 2023 10:57 amãã > ISPs have been blocking ports for years. The public line is that it's "forã > security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a defaultã > login/pass. SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk havingã > their IP address space associated with spam.ã >ã > I get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on port 23,ã > so I guess I can see why they would want to do this.ã >ã > Some ISPs will also block 80, 443, 21, 22, and 53 as well.ã >ã > Those are the ISPs That will then try to upsell you to business class to getã > those ports unblocked.ã >ããtheir points are valid. i've talked to techs at my isp who weren't dumb asses about it. when you finally get forwarded to a local number from the indians.ããwith me they were okay with me running a website and the other stuff because it was free. i dont think they knew i had email and forwarded through them.ããbut i understand their side. especially from a security standpoint. hobbyst users usually don't know how to safeguard their system. some don't even know how to open a port. there was a guy that was on dovenet for years that could never figure out how to forward his router correctly. he asked many times.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to John Guillory on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:41 amãã > JG> BBS! What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talkingã > JG> about, just shut up, rather than show the proof!ã >ã > Maybe he doesn't understand what a BBS is. You're not providing access toã > the whole internet. If someone wants to get general like that, running aã > BBS is more akin to running a web site of some sort.ã >ããif you explain what a bbs is that makes it even more scarey.ããããthere's a sysop i used to know who's father was the country coroner. he was a famous guy and in the news a lot and he was on court tv all the time as an expert. The son did the hosting for dad's website.ããthe son ran a bbs, and some reporter found the bbs and all those krad ansis.ãit blew up and they made it into a scandal like the son was running thepiratebay or some shit. The father ended up being embarassed by it.ãreporters even showed up at his house and knocked on the door.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Mar 03 2023 10:57 amãã Da> ISPs have been blocking ports for years.ã Da> SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk havingã Da> their IP address space associated with spam. ããI'm aware.ãã Da> The public line is that it's "forã Da> security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a defaultã Da> login/pass.ããWhat would you be telnetting to (what was port 23 open to)? The router itself? I could see a router providing access to a command-line for administration, but it would probably be best on a non-standard port, and probably not open to the public.ãI've seen some 3rd-party router firmware have an option to allow remote configuration via its web interface though.. I had a router with Tomato firmware that had an option for that. You could disable it though so it would only be available via your internal network.ã ã Da> I get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on portã Da> 23, so I guess I can see why they would want to do this. ããI know some ISPs block certain ports, but at least since I started running Synchronet in 2007, I haven't had an ISP that blocked port 23 or the other standard ports (except maybe SMTP).ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 17:28:00ãã Tr>> Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internetã Tr>> provider connection, many/most providers block common server portsã Tr>> from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323ã Tr>> and see if that works instead... you can probably just change theã Tr>> port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to theã Tr>> host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.ãã Gr> Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not lettingã Gr> traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how doã Gr> you do this? ããI'd just use 2323 for telnet, if that was my main interest. In your router, where you configure port forwarding, just change the listening port to 2323, and the destination ip/port to your internal address, and port 23. You can usually configure both separately.ããIf you are comfortable with Linux, I'd suggest using a VPS host. This is what I'm actually running on myself (4gb linux host on DigitalOcean, but there are less expensive options). If you really want to run locally, you can use a gateway service like ngrok, which will route an accessible IP to your internal system for use.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 05:51:00ãã Ni>> If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blockingã Ni>> that port, I'd guess.ãã PF> I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if theyã PF> start blocking telnet that would really suck.ããI'm not aware of any ISP blocking outbound port 23... most cable internet providers block inbound though. I know a lot of ISPs do block outbound port 25, but most mail providers have TLS/Submit open for authenticated smtp use.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 15:45:08ãã Ni> The only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" withã Ni> residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money byã Ni> charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have theã Ni> restrictions that their residential internet service has.ããThat generally seems to be the case... and for the price difference, at least for me... it's cheaper to just pay for a VPS to run the BBS on separately.ã ã ã-- ãMichael J. Ryan ã+o roughneckbbs.com ãtracker1@roughneckbbs.comãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:46 pmãã Ni> I know some ISPs block certain ports, but at least since I started runningã Ni> Synchronet in 2007, I haven't had an ISP that blocked port 23 or the otherã Ni> standard ports (except maybe SMTP).ãã Ni> NightfoxããI use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMPT ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert. they did however allow you to relay mail though an email address by authenticating with the user name and password but they blocked that also a few years agoããBrokenMindãã---ã þ Synchronetã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Brokenmind to Nightfox on Mon Mar 06 2023 03:17 pmãã > I use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMPTã > ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert.ã > they did however allow you to relay mail though an email address byã > authenticating with the user name and password but they blocked that also aã > few years agoããI'm not sure about how it is exactly now, but it seems that over the years comcast has several different ways of handling open ports and whether it does bandwidth limiting depending on the region.ããSome people i know have no caps and can do whatever they want. some have horrible experiences with comcast.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Brokenmind to Nightfox on Mon Mar 06 2023 03:17 pmãã Br> I use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMTPã Br> ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert.ããInteresting.. I used to use Comcast residential, and the only port they blocked was SMTP. Port 80 worked fine at the time.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: MRO to Brokenmind on Mon Mar 06 2023 11:46 pmãã MR> I'm not sure about how it is exactly now, but it seems that over the yearsã MR> comcast has several different ways of handling open ports and whether itã MR> does bandwidth limiting depending on the region.ãã MR> Some people i know have no caps and can do whatever they want. some haveã MR> horrible experiences with comcast.ããComcast has great service in my area but it's been the monopoly in this area since were in a rural area the central pa area , the upper dauphin area about hr north of harrisburg when it comes to cable internet. dial up and DSL frontier have been the only access to the internet expect for satellite service. However frontier is uping there game in are area with a new fiber service however i have not tried it out as of yet. Comcast coustomer service and technical service is a nightmare but there techs that come to your home if need be are great. I have there blast service with around 900 mbps down and around 45mps up which is ok for my needs butt again just useing a residental account alsoããBrokenMindãã---ã þ Synchronetã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Tue Mar 07 2023 08:40 amãã Ni> Interesting.. I used to use Comcast residential, and the only port theyã Ni> blocked was SMTP. Port 80 worked fine at the time.ããCould have been back when you used there ISP but it's been that way for me since they took over Adelphia which was around 13 years or so and could have been your area.ããBrokenMindãã---ã þ Synchronetã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Brokenmind to MRO on Wed Mar 08 2023 02:14 pmãã Br> with around 900 mbps down and around 45mps up which is ok for my needsã Br> butt again just useing a residental account alsoããSince 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 amãã > Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed forã > both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download andã > upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed asã > high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.ããi'm in a big city and my upload sucks. it's just how they cap you.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Tracker1 to Grease on Sat Mar 04 2023 07:30 pmãã > Re: Re: Connection Refusedã > By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 17:28:00ã > ã > Tr>> Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internetã > Tr>> provider connection, many/most providers block common server portsã > Tr>> from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323ã > Tr>> and see if that works instead... you can probably just change theã > Tr>> port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to theã > Tr>> host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.ã > ã > Gr> Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not lettingã > Gr> traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, howã > Gr> you do this?ã > ã > I'd just use 2323 for telnet, if that was my main interest. In your router,ã > eparately.ã > ã > If you are comfortable with Linux, I'd suggest using a VPS host. This is whã > grok, which will route an accessible IP to your internal system for use.ã > ã > ã > --ã > Michael J. Ryanã > +o roughneckbbs.comã > tracker1@roughneckbbs.comã > ããI port forward port 24 to the bbs on port 24 by the internal IP of the bbsãmachine. 1:275/100. 1:275/1000 is not available from outside, inside only andã'Shenk's Wandering Star' note (tiering with 4 others).ããWorks flawlessly.ãã xxcarolãã---ã þ Synchronet þ SHENK'S EXPRESS, Virginia Beach, VA, shenks.synchro.netã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 amãã Ni> Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed forã Ni> both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download andã Ni> upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed asã Ni> high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.ãI will have to look into that thank youããBrokenMindãã---ã þ Synchronetã

Nightfox wrote to Brokenmind <=-ãã Ni> Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speedã Ni> for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between downloadã Ni> and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you haveã Ni> speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload andã Ni> download.ããI need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple ofãterabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidthãcap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.ããWho do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?ãããããã... Magnify the most difficult detailsã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 09 2023 06:55 amãã PF> I need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple ofã PF> terabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidthã PF> cap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.ãã PF> Who do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?ããI have Ziply Fiber. As far as I can tell, they don't have any monthly bandwidth caps.ãI'm not sure Ziply Fiber is a widespread ISP though.. From what I've seen, it seems they may be mostly operating in northwest Oregon and in Washington. Ziply took over Frontier Fiber here a few years ago (and Frontier had taken over Verizon Fios here in 2010).ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Mar 08 2023 05:33 pmãã > Re: Re: Connection Refusedã > By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 amã > ã > > Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed foã > > both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download andã > > upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed ã > > high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.ã > ã > i'm in a big city and my upload sucks. it's just how they cap you.ããThis weekend I watched a travel blog to the Maldives, and the country ãdeveloped a new tourist city by dredging dirt and sand from the ocean andãbuilding a new city on it. The big draw is when the city was built, gigabitãfiber was ran everywere. In reality the reviewer discovered it is notãoperational everywhere due to the price the provider charges for gigabitãaccess. The telco or development partner who ran the fiber is monopolized,ãso they charge ridiulous prices knowing there is no alternative matching theirã speed.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 09 2023 06:55 amãã > -=> Nightfox wrote to Brokenmind <=-ã > ã > Ni> Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speedã > Ni> for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between downloadã > Ni> and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you haveã > Ni> speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload andã > Ni> download.ã > ã > I need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple ofã > terabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidthã > cap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.ã > ã > Who do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?ã > ã > ã > ã > ã > ã > ... Magnify the most difficult detailsããAn electrical co-op north of me is pulling fiber into my area. I'm waitingãnow for to be run down my street. The company is paying $75,000 a mile forãrunning fiber. I think they got it through government funding during Covid.ã My area is a broad band no man's land. ATT won't invest in enhancing infrast ãructure and Comcast will not spend $10,000 a mile to run cable down a roadãthat has less than 20 houses per mile. On the half mile section I live onãthere are 4 houses separated by corn fields. I'm going to stick withãHughesnet until the fiber is run. Starlink has a long waiting list in myãarea and the price jumps for the price of a reciver and dish. At first theyãwere priced at $500 fo rthe dish, now the price has increased to $750. Atãfirst they said no bandwidth caps,but now in reality they say it's necessary.ããã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-ãã Mo> My area is a broad band no man's land. ATT won't invest in enhancingã Mo> infrast ructure and Comcast will not spend $10,000 a mile to run cableã Mo> down a road that has less than 20 houses per mile. On the half mileã Mo> section I live on there are 4 houses separated by corn fields. I'mã Mo> going to stick with Hughesnet until the fiber is run. Starlink has aã Mo> long waiting list in my area and the price jumps for the price of aã Mo> reciver and dish. At first they were priced at $500 fo rthe dish, nowã Mo> the price has increased to $750. At first they said no bandwidthã Mo> caps,but now in reality they say it's necessary.ãããAT&T FIber just moved in, but because of the street I'm on, AT&T fiberãhangs lowest of all of the cables, and my neighbor's cable has beenãclipped by trucks thrice. It's taken 4-5 days to repair it each time -ãthey roll a mid-sized pickup truck with a 6 foot ladder out with noãchance of repairing it to meet the SLA, then call it in to escalate.ãããã... THE HEXAGONS OF AIMã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Connection Refusedã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:02 amãã PF> AT&T FIber just moved in, but because of the street I'm on, AT&T fiberããInteresting, I didn't know AT&T was doing fiber these days. AT&T had cable internet service in my area about 20 years ago (theirs was my first broadband internet service), and then that ended up being acquired by Comcast.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã