Hello to All,ããI have a tiny little question that's related to something I saw earlier onãDiamond Mine BBS. While doing my normal things on there, a message popped up onãthe screen that said "so and so logged on using "RAW". I looked and mine saidãTelnet (as it should be), but what is "RAW"? ããThanks,ãDennisã--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32ã * Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hi Dennis,

In the context of using a BBS, "RAW" typically refers to a method of connecting to the BBS over a raw TCP socket, rather than using a telnet client. This could be done using specialized software or by issuing raw socket commands from a command line tool like Telnet or PuTTY.

While raw connections may offer more flexibility than telnet in some cases, they can also be more prone to errors or security issues. Therefore, most BBSes predominantly rely on telnet connections as their primary connection method.

I hope this helps answer your question! Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

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Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Dennis Scott to All on Sun Mar 12 2023 01:24 pmãã > Hello to All,ã >ã > I have a tiny little question that's related to something I saw earlier onã > Diamond Mine BBS. While doing my normal things on there, a message popped upã > on the screen that said "so and so logged on using "RAW". I looked and mineã > said Telnet (as it should be), but what is "RAW"?ããRaw TCP, not Telnet, not RLogin, just plain ole TCP.ã-- ã digital man (rob)ããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #35:ãFTP = File Transfer ProtocolãNorco, CA WX: 63.4øF, 74.0% humidity, 10 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Digital Man to Dennis Scott on Sun Mar 12 2023 02:07 pmãã > Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã > By: Dennis Scott to All on Sun Mar 12 2023 01:24 pmã > ã > > Hello to All,ã > >ã > > I have a tiny little question that's related to something I saw earlier oã > > Diamond Mine BBS. While doing my normal things on there, a message poppedã > > on the screen that said "so and so logged on using "RAW". I looked and miã > > said Telnet (as it should be), but what is "RAW"?ã > ã > Raw TCP, not Telnet, not RLogin, just plain ole TCP.ããSo Raw probably means that person is on the same local TCIP network as the BBS,ãie, a local user?ããThanks,ãDennisã--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32ã * Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Dennis Scott to Digital Man on Sun Mar 12 2023 08:14 pmãã > Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã > By: Digital Man to Dennis Scott on Sun Mar 12 2023 02:07 pmã >ã > > Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã > > By: Dennis Scott to All on Sun Mar 12 2023 01:24 pmã >ã > > > Hello to All,ã >ã > > > I have a tiny little question that's related to something I sawã > > > earlier o Diamond Mine BBS. While doing my normal things on there, aã > > > message popped on the screen that said "so and so logged on usingã > > > "RAW". I looked and mi said Telnet (as it should be), but what isã > > > "RAW"?ã >ã > > Raw TCP, not Telnet, not RLogin, just plain ole TCP.ã >ã > So Raw probably means that person is on the same local TCIP network as theã > BBS, ie, a local user?ããNo, not at all. More likely the user is just using some retro hardware or software that doesn't support Telnet.ã-- ã digital man (rob)ããSynchronet "Real Fact" #116:ãSynchronet v1a r5 (for MS-DOS) was released on February 19, 1992ãNorco, CA WX: 65.2øF, 69.0% humidity, 11 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Digital Man to Dennis Scott on Sun Mar 12 2023 05:26 pmãã > > > Raw TCP, not Telnet, not RLogin, just plain ole TCP.ã >ã > > So Raw probably means that person is on the same local TCIP network asã > > the BBS, ie, a local user?ã >ã > No, not at all. More likely the user is just using some retro hardware orã > software that doesn't support Telnet.ããWhat type of retro hardware could that be? Sorry, I'm just trying to learn here and I can't find anywhere online that tells of such things.ããThe BBS is connected to a switch connected to a router connected to the internet. So what hardware/software would allow passage of TCP thru all of that without using telnet via TCPIP.ããThanks,ãDennisã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Airmailman to Digital Man on Mon Mar 13 2023 08:11 amãã > Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã > By: Digital Man to Dennis Scott on Sun Mar 12 2023 05:26 pmã >ã > > > > Raw TCP, not Telnet, not RLogin, just plain ole TCP.ã >ã > > > So Raw probably means that person is on the same local TCIP network asã > > > the BBS, ie, a local user?ã >ã > > No, not at all. More likely the user is just using some retro hardware orã > > software that doesn't support Telnet.ã >ã > What type of retro hardware could that be?ããOh, like a Commodore or Apple or Atari computer.ãã > Sorry, I'm just trying to learnã > here and I can't find anywhere online that tells of such things.ã >ã > The BBS is connected to a switch connected to a router connected to theã > internet. So what hardware/software would allow passage of TCP thru all ofã > that without using telnet via TCPIP.ããAnything that passes Telnet traffic through will pass raw TCP too, in fact they're often confused with each other. Telnet is only barely any different from raw TCP.ã-- ã digital man (rob)ããRush quote #54:ãHe'd love to spend the night in Zion, he's been a long, long while in BabylonãNorco, CA WX: 64.1øF, 74.0% humidity, 4 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Digital Man to Airmailman on Mon Mar 13 2023 01:58 pmãã > Anything that passes Telnet traffic through will pass raw TCP too, in factã > they're often confused with each other. Telnet is only barely any differentã > from raw TCP.ããWow, thanks so much for educationing this ole man. I love learning new stuff.ããCheers,ãDennisã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

So Raw probably means that person is on the same local TCIP network as theãBS,ã>ie, a local user?ããSyncterm allows you to specify RAW as a connection type to call a telnetãBBS with. I always suggest that people try RAW, if their terminal clientãsupports it, when calling my older DOS BBS. Otherwise, they may run intoãissues with double carriage returns and/or on file transfers.ããã * SLMR 2.1a * "I'm cold, and there are wolves after me!"-Granpa Simpsonãã---ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Dumas Walker to DENNIS SCOTT on Mon Mar 13 2023 03:23 pmãã > Syncterm allows you to specify RAW as a connection type to call a telnetã > BBS with. I always suggest that people try RAW, if their terminal clientã > supports it, when calling my older DOS BBS. Otherwise, they may run intoã > issues with double carriage returns and/or on file transfers.ããI see that now and matter of fact, I'm using Raw in this session and it seems to work just as well as Telnet.ããThanks,ãDennisã--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32ã * Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Raw or is it RAW ?ã By: Dennis Scott to All on Sun Mar 12 2023 01:24 pmãã > Telnet (as it should be), but what is "RAW"?ããNot sure if anyone else has said this, but telnet has a negotiation handshakeãtype of thing that happens when you connect. It tries to establish screen size,ãterminal speed, and several other conditions. Raw connection is just that, aãraw TCP connection with no negotiation or handshake happening on connect.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã