Just wanted to post it here as don't know where else would be better, Iã CS> managed to get the kermit protocol running in Mystic (I know this isn'tã CS> a mystic channel) and really would love it if syncterm could handle theã CS> kermit protocol.ã CS> ã CS> After using it for a little while with qodem, I realise that the transferã CS> speeds in kermit are a lot, and I mean a LOT faster than zmodem forã CS> example, and think we could all benefit from having that as an option onã CS> BBSes that support kermit.ããBeing curious, as I am, I dialed into QW w/ qodem to see what the kermit fuss was all about - QW is across the pond from me, and I usually get fairly bad Zmodem download speeds.ããI was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too. :Pãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

The ZMODEM protocol also has a lot of options that can impactã DM> through-put (e.g. windowing or not, window size, encoding/escaping ofã DM> characters).ããInteresting - sometimes us newbies (me, not ml!) don't think about other variables... I'm gonna do some testing; understood about syncterm requests, thanks.ãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

On 16 Aug 2023, paulie420 said the following...ã ã pa> I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could getã pa> over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support,ã pa> too. :Pããis QW a mystic board? (specifically, using the internal zmodem) .. netrunner uses the same implementation and doesn't fare well according to the sexyz wiki page. maybe it just sucks.ããreminds me of an article i read about DOS file sharing implementations from M$, IBM, etc.. after considerable effort tweaking,the results were kind of like "well, this would have been fast back then" .. even though the hardware is capable of 100x better.ãã--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)ã * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, miã

I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could getã fu> pa> over other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit supportã fu> pa> too. :Pã fu> ã fu> is QW a mystic board? (specifically, using the internal zmodem) ..ã fu> netrunner uses the same implementation and doesn't fare well accordingã fu> to the sexyz wiki page. maybe it just sucks.ã fu> ã fu> reminds me of an article i read about DOS file sharing implementationsã fu> from M$, IBM, etc.. after considerable effort tweaking,the results wereã fu> kind of like "well, this would have been fast back then" .. even thoughã fu> the hardware is capable of 100x better.ããQuantum Wormhole IS a Mystic board... but I get [around] the same Zmodem DL speeds across all BBS softwares. I normally use SyncTerm - but kermit on qodem does seem to beat all of them!ãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: paulie420 to Christian Sacks on Wed Aug 16 2023 11:14 amãã pa> I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get overã pa> other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, too. :PããWow, thats so fast!ããcandycaneãã===ãuser is generated from /dev/urandomãã...Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ -=[ ConstructiveChaos BBS | conchaos.synchro.net ]=-ã

I was able to get 600+ over kermit - about 4x the speeds I could get ã ca> pa> other protocols... at any rate, I'd invite seeing kermit support, tooã ca> ã ca> Wow, thats so fast!ããI mean - for thru a telnet terminal and all.. :Pãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)ã CS> It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.ããSame here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS and softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 30 years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.ãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

That's about the nuts and bolts of it.ã RF> ã RF> Thanks for the writeup!ããI followed the other Mystic setup, with a bash script - it w0rks perfectly... but I assume mL figured a quicker way to implement here. :P ããTHANKS to mL --> 2oFB users can speed their terminal DLs up, t00!ãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: paulie420 to Christian Sacks on Thu Aug 17 2023 08:09 pmãã CS>> Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)ã CS>> It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.ãã pa> Same here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS andã pa> softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 30ã pa> years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.ããI think they're performing differently because we're using them on an internet connection rather than a serial/modem connection. File transfer protcools such as Kermit, X/Y/Zmodem etc. were designed for serial connections (with considerations for dialup modems) and as such, they were designed for raw data connections. But all the software that works with an internet connection uses network protocols such as TCP/IP & such, which already have software mechanisms for transferring data back & forth. As such, adding another file transfer protocol such as Zmodem or Kermit onto that is redundant. A file transfer protocol that has minimal overhead (which I think is true for Kermit) probably is faster over the internet than something like Zmodem.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Same here; I believe this has to do with current hardware, OS andã Ni> pa> softwares that we all run - neat that protocols perform differently 3ã Ni> pa> years later, but kermit flies for me over telnet/ssh in terminal.ã Ni> ã Ni> I think they're performing differently because we're using them on anã Ni> internet connection rather than a serial/modem connection. File transferã Ni> protcools such as Kermit, X/Y/Zmodem etc. were designed for serialã Ni> connections (with considerations for dialup modems) and as such, theyã Ni> were designed for raw data connections. But all the software that worksã Ni> with an internet connection uses network protocols such as TCP/IP &ã Ni> such, which already have software mechanisms for transferring data backã Ni> & forth. As such, adding another file transfer protocol such as Zmodemã Ni> or Kermit onto that is redundant. A file transfer protocol that hasã Ni> minimal overhead (which I think is true for Kermit) probably is fasterã Ni> over the internet than something like Zmodem.ãã100% - its using these tools on our new tech that causes the differences. Regardless, its way better to just use www download links; but since people like using the terminal when bbsing, it is worthwhile that mL helps us offer kermit... mystic is a different beast. :Pãããã|07p|15AULIE|1142|07oã|08.........ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Fri Aug 18 2023 08:59 pmãã > Regardless, its way better to just use www download links; but since peopleã > like using the terminal when bbsing, it is worthwhile that mL helps us offerããI demand jmodem support, damnit!!ãã*cough*ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 amããDon't forget LModem...ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Bf2k+ to Phigan on Sat Aug 19 2023 09:19 amãã > Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã > By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 amã >ã > Don't forget LModem...ããwhats lmodem?ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Sat Aug 19 2023 09:30 pmãã > whats lmodem?ãIn the Atari BBS world back in the 80's, Keith Ledbetter wrote BBS:Express Pro and BBS:Express ST. LModem was a protocol he designed for his BBSes.ããI was just mentioning it to Phigan as a joke...ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 amãã > I demand jmodem support, damnit!!ã >ã > *cough*ããI'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!ãã---TLMãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Nite Eyes BBS - To make people happy about my tagline everywhere...ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 08:17 amãã > I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today.ã > Who's with me!ããHah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't such support already!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Phigan to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 21 2023 09:46 amãã > > I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today.ã > > Who's with me!ã >ã > Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't suchã > support already!ããhttps://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300ã-- ã digital man (rob)ããSling Blade quote #19:ãDoyle: I can't so much as drink a damn glass of water around a midgetãNorco, CA WX: 67.6øF, 93.0% humidity, 0 mph ENE wind, 1.94 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

El 21/8/23 a las 09:17, The Lizard Master escribió:

Re: Re: kermit protocol in sy
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Sat Aug 19 2023 05:57 am

> I demand jmodem support, damnit!!
>
> *cough*

I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!

SBBS support for external protocols, maybe a good implementation of
punker could be work

syncterm have not this way.

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Digital Man to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 10:20 amãã > > Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't suchã > > support already!ã >ã > https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300ããAhhh, that's more like it :).ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ TIRED of waiting 2 hours for a taco? GO TO TACOPRONTO.bbs.ioã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Digital Man to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 10:20 amãã > > > I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter startingã > > > today. Who's with me!ã >ã > > Hah! They might actually take up this one :). Surprised there isn't suchã > > support already!ã >ã > https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/issues/300ããProtest withdrawn.ãã---TLMãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Nite Eyes BBS - To make people happy about my tagline everywhere...ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Sun Aug 20 2023 09:08 pmãã > > whats lmodem?ã > In the Atari BBS world back in the 80's, Keith Ledbetter wrote BBS:Express Pro and BBS:Express ST. LModem was a protocol he designed for his BBSes.ã >ã > I was just mentioning it to Phigan as a joke...ã >ãããYou forgot the old C= standard, Punter!ããDredãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Caverns BBS - No matter where you go, there you are...ã

Re: Re: kermit protocol in syã By: The Lizard Master to Phigan on Mon Aug 21 2023 08:17 amãã > I'm protesting SyncTerm and Syncronet until I see Punter starting today. Who's with me!ã >ã > ---TLMããAnd as soon as I mention Punter, the very NEXT message mentions Punter :)ããDredãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Caverns BBS - No matter where you go, there you are...ã