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HTMLTERM
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KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
All on Sun Jul 16 14:43:50 2017
Who is the mastermind behind HTML term..ããit seems to have just stopped..ããI would love to see HTML implemented into syncterm, or at least have sytermãpull up a stripped version of webkit or someting.ããI'd love to see this in operation..ããOnly if a broweser would make a telnet connection.ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 13:15:57 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: KK4QBN to All on Sun Jul 16 2017 02:43 pmãã KK> Who is the mastermind behind HTML term..ãã KK> it seems to have just stopped..ããRick Parrish.ã
https://www.ftelnet.caãI thought development was still fairly active.. Perhaps he's taking a breakãand might get back to it eventually..ãã KK> I would love to see HTML implemented into syncterm, or at least haveã KK> syterm pull up a stripped version of webkit or someting.ããI'm not sure that really make sense.. SyncTerm is a text-mode clientãapplication, and HTMLTerm is a client for web browsers. They're two separateãthings. Since SyncTerm is already a text-mode client, why would you wantãsomething like HTMLTerm integrated into it?ãã KK> Only if a broweser would make a telnet connection.ããThat's possible with HTMLTerm. So I'm not sure what you mean by this..ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã
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From
KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 19:35:30 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 2017 13:15:57ãã KK>> Who is the mastermind behind HTML term..ãã KK>> it seems to have just stopped..ãã Ni> Rick Parrish.ã Ni>
https://www.ftelnet.caã Ni> I thought development was still fairly active.. Perhaps he's taking aã Ni> break and might get back to it eventually..ããSorry, was speaking of a terminal emulator that supports the html menues onã3.17ãã Ni> I'm not sure that really make sense.. SyncTerm is a text-mode clientã Ni> application, and HTMLTerm is a client for web browsers. They're twoã Ni> separate things. Since SyncTerm is already a text-mode client, why wouldã Ni> you want something like HTMLTerm integrated into it?ããYou are mixed up with the HTML terminal I was speaking of, not a HTTP basedãone, a TELNET based one that served HTML text and receives commands likeãtelnet.. I think I misworded the "htmlterm" bit.ããsbbs@kk4qbn:/sbbs/exec$ ls html*ãhtml.bin html_noyes.js html_shell.js html.src html_who.js html_yesno.jsããThere should be a terminal progam in the works to support this.ãã Ni> That's possible with HTMLTerm. So I'm not sure what you mean by this..ããYou'll understand after this message :)ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã
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From
Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to
KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 16:07:05 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: KK4QBN to All on Sun Jul 16 2017 02:43 pmãã KK> Who is the mastermind behind HTML term..ãã KK> it seems to have just stopped..ãããDo you mean the embedded HTML telnet client that is in ecweb?ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Deep Space '94 - deepspace94.com - The Best 1994 Had to Offerã
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 17:46:14 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sun Jul 16 2017 07:35 pmãã KK> Sorry, was speaking of a terminal emulator that supports the html menuesã KK> on 3.17ãã KK> You are mixed up with the HTML terminal I was speaking of, not a HTTPã KK> based one, a TELNET based one that served HTML text and receives commandsã KK> like telnet.. I think I misworded the "htmlterm" bit.ãã KK> sbbs@kk4qbn:/sbbs/exec$ ls html*ã KK> html.bin html_noyes.js html_shell.js html.src html_who.js html_yesno.jsãã KK> There should be a terminal progam in the works to support this.ããAh.. I'm still not sure what "HTML menus" refers to, but I have not heardãabout this or looked into this. I saw a comment in the code referring to anã"HTML terminal" that Deuce was working on, but I'm not sure what that is..ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã
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From
KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
Deepthaw on Mon Jul 17 17:00:03 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Deepthaw to KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 2017 16:07:05ãã KK>> Who is the mastermind behind HTML term..ãã KK>> it seems to have just stopped..ããã De> Do you mean the embedded HTML telnet client that is in ecweb?ããNO, an actual telnet terminalthat supports HTML.ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã
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From
KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
Nightfox on Mon Jul 17 17:01:51 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sun Jul 16 2017 17:46:14ããã Ni> Ah.. I'm still not sure what "HTML menus" refers to, but I have not heardã Ni> about this or looked into this. I saw a comment in the code referring toã Ni> an "HTML terminal" that Deuce was working on, but I'm not sure what thatã Ni> is.. ãã Ni> NightfoxããThats more than likely it. the terminal is send HTML vial the JS scripts and ãthen shown via telnet.. html over telnet, not web.ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 17:27:18 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Jul 17 2017 05:01 pmãã Ni>> Ah.. I'm still not sure what "HTML menus" refers to, but I have notã Ni>> heard about this or looked into this. I saw a comment in the codeã Ni>> referring to an "HTML terminal" that Deuce was working on, but I'mã Ni>> not sure what that is.. ãã KK> Thats more than likely it. the terminal is send HTML vial the JS scriptsã KK> and then shown via telnet.. html over telnet, not web.ããThat's an interesting idea, although I'm wondering why not just use the webãinterface with a web browser? I'm not sure what the advantage would be of aãtelnet client able to parse/render HTML.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã
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From
Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to
Nightfox on Mon Jul 17 21:30:37 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 05:27 pmãã > That's an interesting idea, although I'm wondering why not just use the webã > interface with a web browser? I'm not sure what the advantage would be of aã > telnet client able to parse/render HTML.ããããpretty sure it was an exercise.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã
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From
Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to
Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 12:28:00 2017
Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-ãã Ni> That's an interesting idea, although I'm wondering why not just use theã Ni> web interface with a web browser? I'm not sure what the advantageã Ni> would be of a telnet client able to parse/render HTML.ããYeah, I'm not sure of the advantages either, but what I would like is to beãable to strip HTML from incoming messages in selected areas (specigically, aãgated mailing list). Simply selecting the text/plain MIME part is apparentlyãnot the answer, I would like to be able to strip the HTML on messages that comeãfrom a specific mailing list. In this instance, the HTML probably adds noãbenefit, so simply stripping it is enough.ããThinking about this further, this could be part of an email pre-processor thatãstrips HTML according to user or sysop preferences (i.e. by email address). ãGood for those who use BBS tools for their email on Synchronet. Having itãoptional would allow those of us who use POP clients to receive the HTML as itãwas intended.ããIs there any such beast around in JS that will run on Synchronet already?ããã... If the British can survive their meals, they can survive anything.ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
Vk3jed on Mon Jul 17 20:46:11 2017
Re: Re: HTMLTERMã By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2017 12:28 pmãã Vk> Yeah, I'm not sure of the advantages either, but what I would like is toã Vk> be able to strip HTML from incoming messages in selected areasã Vk> (specigically, a gated mailing list). Simply selecting the text/plain MIMEã Vk> part is apparently not the answer, I would like to be able to strip theã Vk> HTML on messages that come from a specific mailing list. In this instance,ã Vk> the HTML probably adds no benefit, so simply stripping it is enough.ãã Vk> Thinking about this further, this could be part of an email pre-processorã Vk> that strips HTML according to user or sysop preferences (i.e. by emailã Vk> address). Good for those who use BBS tools for their email on Synchronet.ã Vk> Having it optional would allow those of us who use POP clients to receiveã Vk> the HTML as it was intended.ããI've actually thought about having something like that too.. I've receivedãsome emails like that, but not in a while, so I haven't thought much about thatãlately.. But I agree it would be useful to have.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
Vk3jed on Mon Jul 17 22:33:24 2017
Re: Re: HTMLTERMã By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 2017 12:28 pmãã > -=> Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-ã >ã > Ni> That's an interesting idea, although I'm wondering why not just use theã > Ni> web interface with a web browser? I'm not sure what the advantageã > Ni> would be of a telnet client able to parse/render HTML.ã >ã > Yeah, I'm not sure of the advantages either, but what I would like is to beã > able to strip HTML from incoming messages in selected areas (specigically, aã > gated mailing list). Simply selecting the text/plain MIME part isã > apparently not the answer, I would like to be able to strip the HTML onã > messages that come from a specific mailing list. In this instance, the HTMLã > probably adds no benefit, so simply stripping it is enough.ã >ã > Thinking about this further, this could be part of an email pre-processorã > that strips HTML according to user or sysop preferences (i.e. by emailã > address). Good for those who use BBS tools for their email on Synchronet.ã > Having it optional would allow those of us who use POP clients to receiveã > the HTML as it was intended.ã >ã > Is there any such beast around in JS that will run on Synchronet already?ããSort of. There's exec/typehtml.js (for example), which converts HTML files intoãCtrl-A format so that it can be displayed to a BBS terminal/client (usuallyãANSI).ãã digital manããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #26:ãFTSC = FidoNet Technical Standards CommitteeãNorco, CA WX: 69.7øF, 81.0% humidity, 2 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã
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From
Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to
Nightfox on Tue Jul 18 19:40:00 2017
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Ni> I've actually thought about having something like that too.. I'veã Ni> received some emails like that, but not in a while, so I haven'tã Ni> thought much about that lately.. But I agree it would be useful toã Ni> have.ããAsking here to avoid reinventing the wheel (and needing to become fluent inãJavascript in a hurry lol).ããã... Average is as close to the bottom as it is to the top.ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã
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From
Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to
Digital Man on Tue Jul 18 19:47:00 2017
Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã > Is there any such beast around in JS that will run on Synchronet already?ãã DM> Sort of. There's exec/typehtml.js (for example), which converts HTMLã DM> files into Ctrl-A format so that it can be displayed to a BBSã DM> terminal/client (usually ANSI).ããThat sounds useful. Wouuld it be possible to inser that between ListGate andãwhen the message is posted to the sub on the BBS?ããI.e., the flow would be mailing list -> ListGate -> typehtml.js -> SBBS. Andãhopefully it would pass plain text unaltered.ããã... DISK ERROR: DISK ERROR: DISK ERROR: @$%#&%!! *WHACK* C:\>ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
Vk3jed on Tue Jul 18 11:52:39 2017
Re: Re: HTMLTERMã By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Tue Jul 18 2017 07:47 pmãã > -=> Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-ã >ã > > Is there any such beast around in JS that will run on Synchronet already?ã >ã > DM> Sort of. There's exec/typehtml.js (for example), which converts HTMLã > DM> files into Ctrl-A format so that it can be displayed to a BBSã > DM> terminal/client (usually ANSI).ã >ã > That sounds useful. Wouuld it be possible to inser that between ListGateã > and when the message is posted to the sub on the BBS?ã >ã > I.e., the flow would be mailing list -> ListGate -> typehtml.js -> SBBS.ã > And hopefully it would pass plain text unaltered.ããlistgate.js is only for exporting messages (SMB -> list via SMTP).ããMessages imported from lists (via SMTP), just use the alias.cfg feature of theãthe Synchronet Mail Server. To modify messages received by the mail server, youãcan use an "external mail processor" (see ctrl/mailproc.ini andãexec/mailproc_example.js). You could have a mail processor that only acts onãlistserv messages and converts HTML->bare ASCII (or Ctrl-A or whatever youãlike). In this scenario, you wouldn't use typehtml.js, but rather theãload/html2asc.js library which is used by typehtml.js.ãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #64:ãSynchronet PCMS (introduced w/v2.0) is Programmable Command and Menu Structure.ãNorco, CA WX: 84.2øF, 51.0% humidity, 4 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã
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From
Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to
Digital Man on Wed Jul 19 09:20:00 2017
Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã DM> Messages imported from lists (via SMTP), just use the alias.cfg featureã DM> of the the Synchronet Mail Server. To modify messages received by theã DM> mail server, you can use an "external mail processor" (seeã DM> ctrl/mailproc.ini and exec/mailproc_example.js). You could have a mailã DM> processor that only acts on listserv messages and converts HTML->bareã DM> ASCII (or Ctrl-A or whatever you like). In this scenario, you wouldn'tã DM> use typehtml.js, but rather the load/html2asc.js library which is usedã DM> by typehtml.js.ããThanks for that, explains how it works. Anyway, looks like I'll have to do aãbit of study on this one. :)ããã... You know you're getting old when the candles cost more than the cake.ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã
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From
KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 11:22:31 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Jul 17 2017 17:27:18ãã Ni> That's an interesting idea, although I'm wondering why not just use theã Ni> web interface with a web browser? I'm not sure what the advantage would beã Ni> of a telnet client able to parse/render HTML.ãããMaybe thats why the idea was killed off, or has'nt been updated? it's all inãCVS, unless I'm thinking wrong, these appear to be JS that send HTML code overãa TERMINAL connection.. eg HTML_yes_no.js, etc..ãã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 37 May 15 17:59 html.binã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 1113 Jul 29 2007 html_noyes.jsã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 26749 Feb 20 2008 html_shell.jsã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 111 Jul 27 2007 html.srcã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 2223 Jul 28 2007 html_who.jsã-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 1113 Jul 29 2007 html_yesno.jsããyea.. 2007 was the last time they were fooled with... I guess this was beforeãhtml became more "interactive" beats me.. I thought it would have been cool..ããmaybe it was'nt even what I though it was going to be, but it appears to be aãdupilicate of the generic synchronet system that outputs html formatted textãinstead of regular text. the html.bin detects whether they have the HTMLãterminal, if does it sends to html_shell.js if not it sends them to default.js.ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
KK4QBN on Wed Jul 19 09:41:48 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 2017 11:22 amãã KK> yea.. 2007 was the last time they were fooled with... I guess this wasã KK> before html became more "interactive" beats me.. I thought it would haveã KK> been cool.. ãã KK> maybe it was'nt even what I though it was going to be, but it appears toã KK> be a dupilicate of the generic synchronet system that outputs htmlã KK> formatted text instead of regular text. the html.bin detects whether theyã KK> have the HTML terminal, if does it sends to html_shell.js if not it sendsã KK> them to default.js. ããThere's a lot of ways HTML can format text - I think much more so than textãclient can render.. A text client for BBSing (from what I've seen) typicallyãdoesn't do things like italics, underline, fonts and font sizes, frames, etc.. ãThere's a lot of HTML formatting that would just have to be ignored to displayãit in a BBS text client. Text colors specified in HTML and CSS could probablyãbe used to some extent, and breaking up paragraphs (with the HTML <P> tag),ãetc., but I think it would be fairly limited.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã
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From
KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to
Nightfox on Wed Jul 19 14:35:19 2017
Re: HTMLTERMã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Wed Jul 19 2017 09:41:48ãã Ni> There's a lot of ways HTML can format text - I think much more so thanã Ni> text client can render.. A text client for BBSing (from what I've seen)ã Ni> typically doesn't do things like italics, underline, fonts and font sizes,ã Ni> frames, etc.. There's a lot of HTML formatting that would just have to beã Ni> ignored to display it in a BBS text client. Text colors specified in HTMLã Ni> and CSS could probably be used to some extent, and breaking up paragraphsã Ni> (with the HTML <P> tag), etc., but I think it would be fairly limited.ããfrom what I read in the JS source, etc.. the html is fairly limited.. soãreally.. it would have been an HTML type terminal "I'm guessing something thatãwould be kin to RIP" that would be interactive, display jpgs, or pngs, andãthats about it.. no CSS and all that crap.. just base HTML, use PNGS instead ofãANSI for command display, and prompts were html output also.. ive also noticedãthis built into login/logon.js am I just tripping or what? or is this for textãformatting in HTMLterm on the web? because afaik thats not needed.ããplease remember.. I was gone for about 10 years of development. so I missed aãgood bit..ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã