Vk3jed wrote to KK4QBN <=-ãã Vk> These days, with 100/40 Mbps Internet, "network installs" are the wayã Vk> to go. I did that with Debian a while back - download a "stub"ã Vk> installer that loads a kernel and a basic set of drivers, then installã Vk> the rest off the net. One advantage I found is that the machine I usedã Vk> has non free network drivers, and the installer told me what drivers Iã Vk> needed. Sure, I had to download them manually and leave them on a USBã Vk> stick, but that ensured I had a functional network connection after theã Vk> installation, instead of having to google and guess after the fact. :)ããAnd did another quick network install of Debian yesterday. Took just over 30ãmins, the download time was only 5-10 mins, the bulk of the time being spentãactually installing packages. Yeah, no need to buy CDs here, downloading aã.iso takes a few minutes at most. :)ããã... I'm at the corner of WALK and DON'T WALK...ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã KK> Yes, this is the way I did my last debian install, I have ISOs ofããI also like that their images are both USB and CD capable out of the box, noãneed to specially prepare them for USB. But yeah, netinst is a great way to goãthese days.ããã... Error - Operator out of memory!ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Ni> That can be handy sometimes, but if I expect to install it more thanã Ni> once, I'll just download an ISO and write it to a USB drive or CD/DVD.ã Ni> And although an internet connection is usually reliable, sometimes itã Ni> will hiccup in the middle of an install and get disconnected, which canã Ni> be frustrating..ããYeah, if doing a heap, either CD/DVD, or mirror the entire repository. :)ããã... I *CAN* type...my computer keyboard is illiterate.ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 16 2017 14:43:33ãã > Vk> These days, with 100/40 Mbps Internet, "network installs" are the way tãoã > Vk> go. I did that with Debian a while back - download a "stub" installer tãhatã > Vk> loads a kernel and a basic set of drivers, then install the rest off thãeã > Vk> net. One advantage I found is that the machine I used has non free netwãorkã > ã > That can be handy sometimes, but if I expect to install it more than once, Iã'llã > just download an ISO and write it to a USB drive or CD/DVD. And although anã > internet connection is usually reliable, sometimes it will hiccup in the midãdleã > of an install and get disconnected, which can be frustrating..ããThat is when I learned the importance of hash checking with MD5, SHA1, orãSHA256 now-a-days.ããA few years ago, MSDN had issues with subscribers downloading from their siteãoutside of Internet Explorer (yes, Microsoft, obviously, made an assumptionãthat MSDN subscribers are die-hard Microsoft fan-bois that only used IE) andãusing the Akami download manager. I remember a former software architect thatãgot burned by downloading Visual Studio 2012, then installing it without doingãa hash check. Apparently, the download just quit in the middle and it wasãenough to trash the .NET framework. He learned a very hard lesson about hashãchecks against large downloads.ããThankfully, I had my complete copy on hand that I already gotten throughãMicrosoft's Akami download manager and I had hash check myself; he just endedãup using that copy instead.ããLessons learned: do development and testing in virtual machines, and always doãhash checks against large files. :Dãã-jagãCode it, script it, automate it!ãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to jagossel on Wed Aug 16 2017 02:37 pmãã > ja> Imagine that, I didn't think that Linux distributions still sell CDs.ã > ã > I didn't know either.. I remember when some distros cost that much, with thãeirã > own box and manual etc..ããAh yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux 7ã(before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, in allãits glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots and low-endãsystem requirements. I think my dad got me that copy of Red Hat Linux 7 forãXmas that year. It had the manual, license agreement, card to sign up for theãRed Hat Network @ US$60/year, the CD case with three CDs placed in plasticãsleeves, and a floppy boot disk in the pocket.ããAh, the good ol' days; where it was, rare, but possible, to got to Wal-Mart andãpick up a Linux distribution for around ~US$60.ããLike others have already said, now-a-days, you can just simply download a netãinstaller ISO and install Linux. Arch Linux has fully embraced that idea.ããMaybe I should go find that box again and look at the contents again. I triedãto install it in a VM, but apparently it's too old to run on modern systems. Ohãwell...ãã-jagãCode it. Script it. Automate it!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwestbbs.com Telnet - outwestbbs.com:23ã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Wed Aug 16 2017 08:19 pmãã Ja> Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux 7ã Ja> (before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, inã Ja> all its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshotsã Ja> and low-end system requirements. I think my dad got me that copy of Redã Ja> Hat Linux 7 for Xmas that year. It had the manual, license agreement, cardã Ja> to sign up for the Red Hat Network @ US$60/year, the CD case with threeã Ja> CDs placed in plastic sleeves, and a floppy boot disk in the pocket.ãã Ja> Ah, the good ol' days; where it was, rare, but possible, to got toã Ja> Wal-Mart and pick up a Linux distribution for around ~US$60.ããYeah, I remember when it was fairly common to see Linux distros sold in stores.ãEven if a store these days still sells PC software, I don't see Linux distrosãin stores anymore.. I remember going to my local Egghead Software (when theyãwere still around) and buying a boxed copy of RedHat Linux. I think it wasãaround $30 or $40, and I think it was before they were known for being anãenterprise Linux distro. It wasn't even the latest version of RedHat; I justãwanted to get more familiar with Linux. I think it was RedHat 4.2 or somewhereãaround there. A few years later (1999, I think) I bought a boxed copy of SuSEãLinux at CompUSA (I think it was around $50). SuSE was my favorite Linuxãdistro for a while (I still like it overall in its current incarnation,ãOpenSuSE).. SuSE seemed to make it easier to get XFree86 going - It seemed toãdetect my video card & settings more successfully than other distros would. Iãthink SuSE had their own special utility for configuring XFree, which workedãfairly well. Now most distros seem to get the GUI running better out of theãbox without much fiddling.ããI thought it was pretty cool to be able to go into a store and buy aãcopy of Linux off the shelf - I thought that meant Linux had finally 'made it'ã(or was close to it) as a consumer operating system. These days, I still don'tãthink Linux is a major player for desktop computers, although I occasionallyãhear about some PC companies installing Linux on their PCs at the factory.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Wed Aug 16 2017 08:19 pmããJa> Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux 7ãJa> (before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, inãJa> all its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots andãJa> low-end system requirements. ããDon't forget the Man-with-the-fedora Red Hat logo window stickers!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jagossel on Thu Aug 17 2017 09:06 amãã > Ja> Ah yea, I remember (and still have the box somewhere) the Red Hat Limux ã7ã > Ja> (before it split into two: enterprise [RHEL] and desktop [Fedora]) box, ãinã > Ja> all its glory: the black box with the Red Hat logo, and the screenshots ãandã > Ja> low-end system requirements.ã > ã > Don't forget the Man-with-the-fedora Red Hat logo window stickers!ããAwe man, yea! I completely forgot about the window sticker! :Dãã-jagãCode it. Script it. Automate it!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwestbbs.com Telnet - outwestbbs.com:23ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 17 2017 12:24 pmãã Vk> I also like that their images are both USB and CD capable out of the box,ã Vk> no need to specially prepare them for USB. But yeah, netinst is a greatã Vk> way to go these days.ããI didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO for USB. ãI've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never had to doãanything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did the necessary stuffãfor me.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-ãã Ni> Me too, Slackware was the first Linux I saw. Slackware was one of theã Ni> first, and I think many people who looked at Linux in the early daysã Ni> probably had a look at Slackware.. I haven't used it in years though.ã Ni> I'm not sure it had much of a package manager (perhaps it does now?).ã Ni> I remember reading a review on Slackware where someone described itã Ni> basically as an "image of some guy's hard drive".. :PããSlackware was the second distro I tried. Worked pretty well, solid andãreliable, but apt and yum make distributions much easier to manage. I switchedãto Red Hat (and related), and in the last 5-10 years switched again to Debian.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Ni> I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO forã Ni> USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and neverã Ni> had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did theã Ni> necessary stuff for me.ããDebian state that their ISOs are designed for DVD or USB booting. There isãsoftware that can write _any_ bootable ISO to a USB stick and make it bootable.ããã... Chemists do it on the bench!ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to jagossel on Wed Aug 16 2017 14:37:02ãã Ni> I didn't know either.. I remember when some distros cost that much, withã Ni> their own box and manual etc.. But you could also go to cheapbytes.com andã Ni> buy a copy they'd burn onto CD-R/DVD-R for you and just pay for the mediaã Ni> (maybe $3) and shipping.ããI know ubuntu asks for donations and all, I can understand that, and you canãpurchase CDs from canocial (sp) but I think they are cheaper than that..ããas I stated earlier though, maybe someone somewhere would have a need for themãso... .. . .. :)ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 16 2017 14:38:33ãã KK>> Slackware is the first linux I ever laid eyes on. we tried zipslackã KK>> first, ãã Ni> Me too, Slackware was the first Linux I saw. Slackware was one of theã Ni> first, and I think many people who looked at Linux in the early daysã Ni> probably had a look at Slackware.. I haven't used it in years though. I'mã Ni> not sure it had much of a package manager (perhaps it does now?). Iã Ni> remember reading a review on Slackware where someone described itã Ni> basically as an "image of some guy's hard drive".. :PããYeah, thats pretty much exactly what zipslack is, and its written to a FATãsystem. ããAfter we cut our teeth on zipslack dualbooting, we finally went full slackware,ãand I really cannot recall any type of package manager.. it's been years sinceãI fooled with it, but everything one would need, we would have to search forãand it all came in a gzipped tar packet, and we would have to installãeverything to its correct area for a system install, or even build it all,ãwhich really would be preferible if one had the time for all that :)ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 17 2017 12:24:37ãã Ni> I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO forã Ni> USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never hadã Ni> to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did theã Ni> necessary stuff for me.ããyeah.. I cant quite remember offhand but don't you just make sure you have anãumounted filesystem on the usb device and use ''dd -blah.iso /dev/whatever''ãyeah looks stupid.. cant remeber but it's like one command to issue and it willãslap the iso on the usb drive and it be bootable and all in less than 10ãminutes..ããI think its dd.. hell I might be compeletely off.. I just know it's one of theãeasiests things I've done after wasting hours trying to find a gui app thatãwould do it..ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 17 2017 12:24 pmãã Ni> I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISO forã Ni> USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives and never hadã Ni> to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was using did theã Ni> necessary stuff for me.ããWindows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd them straightãto a flash drive. I always have to use a program like Rufus (on Windows) orãWinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive. Most Linux distros, on the otherãhand, you can just dd to a flash drive.ãã------------------------ãZebulon McCorkleãzebmccorkle@gmail.comãZeb on bbs.dmine.netãZeb on vert.synchro.netãzebMcCorkle on lobste.rsã------------------------ããã---ã þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online - bbs.dmine.net - Fredericksburg, VA USAã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Zeb to Nightfox on Sat Aug 19 2017 04:30 pmãã Ni>> I didn't think you'd normally have to do anything to prepare an ISOã Ni>> for USB. I've written Linux and Windows ISOs to USB flash drives andã Ni>> never had to do anything special.. Perhaps the software I was usingã Ni>> did the necessary stuff for me.ãã Ze> Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd themã Ze> straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like Rufus (onã Ze> Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive. Most Linuxã Ze> distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flash drive.ããThat's what I've done when writing ISOs to a flash drive, I've used a tool suchãas Rufus, etc.. Same with Linux ISOs, I've used Rufus and similar tools toãwrite Linux ISOs to USB drives (from Windows). I didn't know you could just ddãLinux ISOs to a drive and have them boot, but the tools I normally use forãWindows make it as easy as opening the ISO and writing it to the drive. As Iãsaid, perhaps the tools I've used do the necessary stuff for me.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Zeb to Nightfox on Sat Aug 19 2017 04:30 pmãã > Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just dd themã > straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program like Rufus (onã > Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive. Most Linuxã > distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flash drive.ããããin windows i do bootsect /nt60 [driveletter]:ãthen copy the files overããi think you have to grab bootsect from the ms siteã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 19 2017 16:57:32ãã > I think its dd.. hell I might be compeletely off.. I just know it's one of tã > easiests things I've done after wasting hours trying to find a gui app thatã > would do it..ããIt is "dd"; I've used it many times to get images on USB flash drives, and toãcreate floppy disk images.ããExample: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/vmuser/imges/floppy012.img bs=512 count=2880ããThat will create a zero-filled (blank) 1.44MB floppy disk image for VMs toãformat and use. :)ãã-jagãCode it, Script it, Automate it!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MtlGeek - Geeks in Montreal - http://mtlgeek.com/ -ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Zeb on Sat Aug 19 2017 17:36:54ãã Ze>> Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just ddã Ze>> them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program likeã Ze>> Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USB drive.ã Ze>> Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to a flashã Ze>> drive. ããI spent so much time trying to find a good gui under linux to do it not knowingãthat it could be done with dd, then got lucky and run up on a good ubuntuãforum.. wow saved so much time :)ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Tue Aug 22 2017 04:29 pmãã Ze>>> Windows ISOs definitely need some preparation - you can't just ddã Ze>>> them straight to a flash drive. I always have to use a program likeã Ze>>> Rufus (on Windows) or WinUSB (on Linux) to make a Windows USBã Ze>>> drive. Most Linux distros, on the other hand, you can just dd to aã Ze>>> flash drive. ãã KK> I spent so much time trying to find a good gui under linux to do it notã KK> knowing that it could be done with dd, then got lucky and run up on a goodã KK> ubuntu forum.. wow saved so much time :)ããYou replied to me, but I did not write what you quoted..ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã KK> I spent so much time trying to find a good gui under linux to do it notã KK> knowing that it could be done with dd, then got lucky and run up on aã KK> good ubuntu forum.. wow saved so much time :)ããWhat's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss it whenãI'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)ããã... Grace Period: The time it takes to ask the meal blessing.ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 23 2017 08:33 amãã Vk> What's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss itã Vk> when I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)ããThe GNU tools (including dd) are available for Windows. One that I can't doãwithout now is grep - I got used to grep on Linux, and now I sometimes like toãuse it in Windows to search for text in my files.ããThe GNU has a CoreUtils package for Windows that you can download, whichãincludes dd:ãhttp://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htmããAnd if you're interested, grep is also available as a standalone package:ãhttp://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htmããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 23 2017 09:32:57ãã > Vk> What's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss iãtã > Vk> when I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)ã > ã > The GNU tools (including dd) are available for Windows. One that I can't doã > without now is grep - I got used to grep on Linux, and now I sometimes like ãtoã > use it in Windows to search for text in my files.ã > ã > The GNU has a CoreUtils package for Windows that you can download, whichã > includes dd:ã > http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htmã > ã > And if you're interested, grep is also available as a standalone package:ã > http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htmããI will have to check that out myself when I get the chance, There were a coupleãof times where I needed dd in Windows to create blank floppy images.ããI've used GoW (GNU on Windows), but BASH didn't work then. Does GNUWIN32ãrequire Cygwin or are they standalone?ãã-jagãCode it, Script it, Automate it!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MtlGeek - Geeks in Montreal - http://mtlgeek.com/ -ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 02:06 pmãã Ja> I've used GoW (GNU on Windows), but BASH didn't work then. Does GNUWIN32ã Ja> require Cygwin or are they standalone?ããThey're standalone. Pretty much just Windows-native builds of the GNU toolsã(for the command prompt).ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Wed Aug 23 2017 12:37 pmãã > Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã > By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 02:06 pmã >ã > Ja> I've used GoW (GNU on Windows), but BASH didn't work then. Doesã > Ja> GNUWIN32 require Cygwin or are they standalone?ã >ã > They're standalone. Pretty much just Windows-native builds of the GNU toolsã > (for the command prompt).ããThese are the unix utils for Windows I usually install:ãhttp://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ããExcept for grep. I still use a Borland version of grep because it supports aãrecursive search with a wildcard file/pattern match. (e.g. 'grep -d BLAHã\src\*.h'). The GNU greps don't support that usage.ãã digital manããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #57:ãXPDEV = Cross-platform DevelopmentãNorco, CA WX: 79.1øF, 57.0% humidity, 12 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã Vk> What's a Linux GUI? :P dd is one of my friends on a Linux box. I miss itã Vk> when I'm stuck on a random Windows machine. ;)ãã Ni> The GNU tools (including dd) are available for Windows. One that Iã Ni> can't do without now is grep - I got used to grep on Linux, and now Iã Ni> sometimes like to use it in Windows to search for text in my files.ããYeah, I know, heance the reference to "random Windows machine" (i.e. one whereãI haven't had the opportunity to install GNU tools on it). :)ãã Ni> The GNU has a CoreUtils package for Windows that you can download,ã Ni> which includes dd:ã Ni> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htmãã Ni> And if you're interested, grep is also available as a standaloneã Ni> package: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htmããAll of which make Windows much more useful. :)ããã... I used to think I was vague ... but now I'm not so sure!!!!!ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS in Bendigo, Australia.ã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 04:45 pmãã DM> These are the unix utils for Windows I usually install:ã DM> http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ãã DM> Except for grep. I still use a Borland version of grep because it supportsã DM> a recursive search with a wildcard file/pattern match. (e.g. 'grep -d BLAHã DM> \src\*.h'). The GNU greps don't support that usage.ããAh, interesting. I wondered if there was a way to use grep that way or aãversion of grep that allowed that.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Aug 24 2017 09:28 amãã > Re: Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã > By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 23 2017 04:45 pmã >ã > DM> These are the unix utils for Windows I usually install:ã > DM> http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ã >ã > DM> Except for grep. I still use a Borland version of grep because itã > DM> supports a recursive search with a wildcard file/pattern match. (e.g.ã > DM> 'grep -d BLAH \src\*.h'). The GNU greps don't support that usage.ã >ã > Ah, interesting. I wondered if there was a way to use grep that way or aã > version of grep that allowed that.ããYou can get the Borland (now Embarcadero) version of grep.exe from this packageã(along with a free C/C++ compiler, linker, CRTL, etc.):ãhttps://www.embarcadero.com/free-tools/ccompilerãã digital manããSynchronet "Real Fact" #30:ãThe COM I/O routines for Synchronet for DOS were written in ASM by Steve Deppe.ãNorco, CA WX: 73.3øF, 70.0% humidity, 4 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Wed Aug 16 2017 09:44 pmãã > I thought it was pretty cool to be able to go into a store and buy aã > copy of Linux off the shelf - I thought that meant Linux had finally 'made iã > (or was close to it) as a consumer operating system. These days, I still doã > think Linux is a major player for desktop computers, although I occasionallyã > hear about some PC companies installing Linux on their PCs at the factory.ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããI remember when you could get a box set also. Between Egghead, Walden sofwareãand some of the computer/book stores like CompUSA, I remember getting theãearly Mandrake and Redhat box sets. Even though nobody pays for it today andãit's taken for granted, I always thought it was worth the $30 or so that youãspent for what you got.ããPhysical packaging in general for software is mostly going by the wayside, andãpart of me misses that.ãã------------------------------------------------------------------ãCDPãThe Diamond Mine BBS - telnet://bbs.dmine.netãThe Retro Room - http://forums.delphiforums.com/retroroomã------------------------------------------------------------------ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online - bbs.dmine.net - Fredericksburg, VA USAã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Chris to Nightfox on Tue Sep 12 2017 09:41 pmãã Ch> I remember when you could get a box set also. Between Egghead, Waldenã Ch> sofware and some of the computer/book stores like CompUSA, I rememberã Ch> getting the early Mandrake and Redhat box sets. Even though nobody paysã Ch> for it today and it's taken for granted, I always thought it was worth theã Ch> $30 or so that you spent for what you got.ããEven back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for free evenãthough you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It seems a little oddãnow when I think back on that..ãã Ch> Physical packaging in general for software is mostly going by the wayside,ã Ch> and part of me misses that.ããI miss that too. There was something fun about going to a store, browsing, andãholding a box in my hands and taking it home, and then opening it andãinstalling it. Nowdays, I do like the ease of buying software online andãdownloading it, but it feels like there's something missing about it too.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Chris on Wed Sep 13 2017 09:48:38ãã Ch>> Physical packaging in general for software is mostly going by theã Ch>> wayside, and part of me misses that.ãã Ni> I miss that too. There was something fun about going to a store, browsing,ã Ni> and holding a box in my hands and taking it home, and then opening it andã Ni> installing it. Nowdays, I do like the ease of buying software online andã Ni> downloading it, but it feels like there's something missing about it too.ããI've always loved getting packaging with my console games, etc.. but the onlyãLinux Distro I have ever purchased on CD was Ubuntu around when it was firstãconceived, and I still have it put up somewhere.. it was a kick ass looking CD.ãã--ããTim Smith (KK4QBN)ãKK4QBN BBSãã---ã * Synchronet * KK4QBN - kk4qbn.synchro.net - 7064229538 - Chatsworth GA USAã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Wed Sep 13 2017 08:54 pmãã KK> I've always loved getting packaging with my console games, etc.. but theããI did too. I also liked looking through the manual that came with my consoleãgames. I often felt like reading (or at least skimming) through the manualãfirst would provide some useful information that would help when I startedãplaying the game, rather than jumping into the game and not knowing what I wasãdoing.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Nightfox wrote to Chris <=-ããã Ni> Nowdays, I do like the ease of buyingã Ni> software online and downloading it, but it feels like there's somethingã Ni> missing about it too.ããFor me, it's the same thing missing from buying music on physical media: Resaleãvalue. Digital distribution pretty much kills the used market.ãããã... This post courtesy of Crazy Vaclav's Place of Automobiles. "Put it inãH'!"ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was:ã By: Vaclav to Nightfox on Thu Sep 14 2017 08:06 pmãã Va> For me, it's the same thing missing from buying music on physical media:ã Va> Resale value. Digital distribution pretty much kills the used market.ããI agree there. And I've heard the music industry doesn't (or didn't used to)ãlike used music sales because the publishers don't get profit from used sales,ãonly new sales.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Nightfox wrote to Vaclav <=-ãã Ni> Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was:ã Ni> By: Vaclav to Nightfox on Thu Sep 14 2017 08:06 pmãã Va> For me, it's the same thing missing from buying music on physical media:ã Va> Resale value. Digital distribution pretty much kills the used market.ãã Ni> I agree there. And I've heard the music industry doesn't (or didn'tã Ni> used to) like used music sales because the publishers don't get profitã Ni> from used sales, only new sales.ãã Yup. Thinking about it a little more, apart from ruining our nostalgia forãold things,a digital-only method of distribution can seriously hamperãpreservation of software, music, literature, etc for the future. What do weãleave behind once the power goes out and the last servers die?ããSorry, it's probably too early in the day to be waxing philisophical...ãããã... This post courtesy of Crazy Vaclav's Place of Automobiles. "Put it inãH'!"ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was:ã By: Vaclav to Nightfox on Fri Sep 15 2017 09:38 amãã Va> Yup. Thinking about it a little more, apart from ruining our nostalgia forã Va> old things,a digital-only method of distribution can seriously hamperã Va> preservation of software, music, literature, etc for the future. What doã Va> we leave behind once the power goes out and the last servers die?ãã Va> Sorry, it's probably too early in the day to be waxing philisophical...ãã:) Presumably the data would still be accessible on a hard drive. If you onlyãhave a downloaded copy of something, I think it's prudent to invest in backupãmedia (whether that be a USB hard drive, USB flash drive, optical discs, etc.)ãand back up the stuff you purchase & download. I believe Steam (PC gameãsoftware) even has an option to let you burn backups of your downloaded gamesãto optical media and can let you split it across multiple discs if it's tooãbig.ããSpeaking of optical discs, I thought LightScribe was cool when LightScribe wasãintroduced. The thing is that it's black and white and you often need to burnãthe LightScribe image more than once to get it dark enough, but it lets you putãa more professional-looking label onto a disc rather than just writing with aãmarker. There are other ways to make a professional-looking disc label, withãcolor, but I think those involve printing a paper label and sticking it ontoãthe disc.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: Nightfox to Chris on Wed Sep 13 2017 09:48 amããNi> Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for free evenãNi> though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It seems a littleãNi> odd now when I think back on that..ããI'd buy the CDs online - with a 768kb/128kb DSL line, it made more sense toãpay a couple of bucks to one of the online places for a white label CD.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Re: Slackware 14.2 Sale [Was: CD Distribution Sale]ã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 15 2017 08:58 amãã Ni>> Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros forã Ni>> free even though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. Itã Ni>> seems a little odd now when I think back on that..ãã PF> I'd buy the CDs online - with a 768kb/128kb DSL line, it made more senseã PF> to pay a couple of bucks to one of the online places for a white label CD.ããYeah, back then I also bought some Linux CDs online because I had dialup andãdidn't want to download ISOs that way. But it was still much cheaper to buyãthem that way. There was a site called cheapbytes.com that would basicallyãburn the ISOs to CD-Rs for you and sell them to you for pretty much the cost ofãthe CD-Rs and shipping.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-ããã Ni> Even back then, you could usually download the Linux distros for free evenã Ni> though you'd pay $30 or so in the store for a box set. It seems a littleã Ni> odd now when I think back on that..ãã pF> I'd buy the CDs online - with a 768kb/128kb DSL line, it made moreã pF> sense to pay a couple of bucks to one of the online places for a whiteã pF> label CD.ããI'd wait until Walnut Creek put out a 6 CD set ;)ããã... This post courtesy of Crazy Vaclav's Place of Automobiles. "Put it inãH'!"ã--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã