I'm wondering if there is a very light Linux version that will stillãRM> run on an old P4 machine. (Intel 2.66 Ghz with 512 meg Ram).ããPF>I like Lubuntu. It's Ubuntu's core OS with LXDE, a lightweight window managerã >It also has a collection of smaller, lightweight apps.ããPF>I run it on a 1.7 GHZ Pentium 4 laptop, and it runs nicely. It idles in 200ã >megs of RAM.ããThat sounds not too bad.ãForgive me if my knowledge of Linux is out of date. Is this a version thatãhas to be compiled or does it just install in a working condition.ãAm I likely to have a hard time finding dial-up modem support for it ?ããWhen I last tried a version of Puppy I was able to avoid dual bootingãand such and simply make a boot CD that accessed files already saved toãthe hard drive with the specific setup info I guess..ãThat seemed handy at the time, a way to try it out without totallyãreworking the computer.ããThanks for your input.ããRobã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ No, you CAN'T dial 911.. Can't you see I'm downloading? þã þ PDQWK 2.52 #17ã---ã þ BgNet 1.0á12 ÷ moe's * 1-502-875-8938 * moetiki.ddns.net:27ã

I'm wondering if there is a very light Linux version that will stillãRM> run on an old P4 machine. (Intel 2.66 Ghz with 512 meg Ram).ããAL>I run Slackware, a fairly simple OS. I'm sure it'll run on your 2.66 Ghz Inteã >Nothing wrong with that CPU type and speed. The RAM is a little low but I'mã >sure you can still run an X desktop in that although it may be a little slowã >from swapping.ããI've saved your suggestion.. Even if I've only briefly run Linux in theãpast I've always kept the Linux conference active on my BBS feed so Iãcould follow what's been going on to a point.ããMy impression of Slackware from earlier comments was it's requires a moreãserious effort, steeper learning curve, to operate than some others.ã(Not exactly Windows user friendly) Is that fair or am I mistaken ?ããI may get more involved with it if I start running some version forãa while again. Back in the early 80's I was doing things like writingãmy own Operating System text front ends for DOS and my own games andãsuch so I wasn't afraid to get into complex command line work, it'sãmore that I don't want to have to learn a whole lot to get somethingãup and running before I find out if it's the way I want to go..ããThanks for your ideas though. I've saved that information in caseãit ends up being a good way to go.ããRobã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers þã þ PDQWK 2.52 #17ã---ã þ BgNet 1.0á12 ÷ moe's * 1-502-875-8938 * moetiki.ddns.net:27ã

Re: Linux For P4ã By: ROB MCCART to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Nov 18 2018 12:39 amããRM> That sounds not too bad.ãRM> Forgive me if my knowledge of Linux is out of date. Is this a version thatãRM> has to be compiled or does it just install in a working condition.ããIt works out of the box, can be booted from a USB stick or a DVD. Once itãboots, it puts you into a live environment running off of the removable mediaãand lets you try it out or install it.ããRM> Am I likely to have a hard time finding dial-up modem support for it ?ããDial-up PPP support? Not sure if it supports it out of the box, but it'sãpossible. Network Manager, the system tray tool doesn't seem to have supportãbuilt-in, but I remember writing scripts to nail up a PPP connection, wouldn'tãbe that hard.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

>RM> Is this a version thatã >RM> has to be compiled or does it just install in a working condition.ããPF>It works out of the box, can be booted from a USB stick or a DVD. Once itã >boots, it puts you into a live environment running off of the removable mediaã >and lets you try it out or install it.ããI wondered a bit about that. I had a quick look online and seemed to beãseeing install files small enough to fit on a CD, let alone a DVD..ã..but they mentioned that to install it would require 5 gig of diskãspace so it was sounding a little expansive once it gets going..ã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ CAUTION: Try this on somebody else's computer first þã þ PDQWK 2.52 #17ã---ã þ BgNet 1.0á12 ÷ moe's * 1-502-875-8938 * moetiki.ddns.net:27ã

>RM> Is this a version thatã > >RM> has to be compiled or does it just install in a working condition.ãã > PF>It works out of the box, can be booted from a USB stick or a DVD. Once itã > >boots, it puts you into a live environment running off of the removableã > mediaã > >and lets you try it out or install it.ãã > I wondered a bit about that. I had a quick look online and seemed to beã > seeing install files small enough to fit on a CD, let alone a DVD..ã > ..but they mentioned that to install it would require 5 gig of diskã > space so it was sounding a little expansive once it gets going..ããI know this thread is a few months old, however ... have you gotten a Linuxãinstall up and running yet? I have installed Raspbian PC on some very old X86ãarchitectures. Though Slackware 14.2 runs well, for a GUI Desktop I wouldãsuggest Raspbian PC.ããhttps://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-run-raspberry-pis-raspbian-os-on-a-ãpc/ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Empty Keg BBS emptykeg.synchro.net:82 Lake Echo NS Canadaã

I know this thread is a few months old, however ... have you gotten a Linuxã >install up and running yet? I have installed Raspbian PC on some very old X8ã >architectures. Though Slackware 14.2 runs well, for a GUI Desktop I wouldã >suggest Raspbian PC.ããI looked into the suggestions but I think the biggest problem might be thatãI would require Dial-Up support, and I'm not sure 'modern' Linux distrosãsupport that. I primarily wanted to find browser and eMail support forãa computer currently running a sort of hybrid Win 98/ME system whichãprecludes using new eMail programs or Browsers that support HTTPS access.ããI'm not sure how upgradable Linux distros tend to be without a full reinstall.ãI did try a Puppy Linux version several years back which looked promisingã(It's still on this machine but I think requires a Boot CD to run it) butãeven then there was minimal Dial-up support.ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humor þã þ PDQWK 2.52 #17ã---ã þ BgNet 1.0á12 ÷ moe's tavern * 1-502-875-8938 * moetiki.ddns.net:27ã

I know this thread is a few months old, however ... have you gotten aã > Linuxã > >install up and running yet? I have installed Raspbian PC on some veryã > old X8ã > >architectures. Though Slackware 14.2 runs well, for a GUI Desktop I wouldã > >suggest Raspbian PC.ãã > I looked into the suggestions but I think the biggest problem might be thatã > I would require Dial-Up support, and I'm not sure 'modern' Linux distrosã > support that. I primarily wanted to find browser and eMail support forã > a computer currently running a sort of hybrid Win 98/ME system whichã > precludes using new eMail programs or Browsers that support HTTPS access.ããMost Linux Distros have dial-up support. I do know that Raspbian PCã(https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/) has dial-up support, though itãdoes depend on what type of modem you are using (winmodems do not work (veryãwell if at all) under linux) and will always require some hands onãconfiguration, there are many articles concerning this subject. Typically pppdãis used for modem use. https://www.aboutdebian.com/modems.htmãã ã > I'm not sure how upgradable Linux distros tend to be without a fullã > reinstall. I did try a Puppy Linux version several years back which lookedã > promisingã > (It's still on this machine but I think requires a Boot CD to run it) butã > even then there was minimal Dial-up support.ãã Most Linux Distros are Live Up-gradable ... Debian compatible (Debian 9,ãUbuntu, Raspbian PC, etc) using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade commands andãinstall packages is as simple as apt-get install <package-name>. I useãSlackware 14.2 which is not as easy to update.ããHope this helpsãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Empty Keg BBS emptykeg.synchro.net:82 Lake Echo NS Canadaã

I know this thread is a few months old, however ... have you gotten aã > Linuxã > >install up and running yet? I have installed Raspbian PC on some veryã > old X8ã > >architectures. Though Slackware 14.2 runs well, for a GUI Desktop I wouldã > >suggest Raspbian PC.ãã > I looked into the suggestions but I think the biggest problem might be thatã > I would require Dial-Up support, and I'm not sure 'modern' Linux distrosã > support that. I primarily wanted to find browser and eMail support forã > a computer currently running a sort of hybrid Win 98/ME system whichã > precludes using new eMail programs or Browsers that support HTTPS access.ããPS: I have an ancient PCI modem in my PC (I don't use it because I haven't hadãa landline for almost 10 years LOL :-) Again, I use Slackware 14.2 with KDEã4.14.21 Plasma Desktop, which comes preconfigured with KPPP Internet Dial-upãTool (the modem drivers are detected by the kernel on boot-up and theãappropriate modules are loaded as /dev/modem ) I am not sure what you mean byã'make phone calls' but I assume you mean to use internet dial-up?ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Empty Keg BBS emptykeg.synchro.net:82 Lake Echo NS Canadaã

I looked into the suggestions but I think the biggest problem might be thaã > > I would require Dial-Up support, and I'm not sure 'modern' Linux distrosã > > support that.ããMO>Most Linux Distros have dial-up support.ããThanks for your information. I'm keeping notes from this if I decide toãtry to get things going with Linux again.ããRMO> > I'm not sure how upgradable Linux distros tend to be without a fullã > > reinstall. I did try a Puppy Linux version several years back which lookedã > > promisingããMO> Most Linux Distros are Live Up-gradable ... Debian compatible (Debian 9,ã >Ubuntu, Raspbian PC, etc) using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade commands aã >install packages is as simple as apt-get install <package-name>.ããWhat I meant by upgradable, and maybe you are answering what I asked, wasãif You have a version of Linux running that is several years old, and youãmay prefer the older distro for a very old computer, is it possible to justãreplace the Browser and maybe eMail programs with newer ones or would itãinvolve downloading a full OS version ?ããI believe when I looked into the version of Puppy Linux I was trying outãseveral years ago they supported Dial-up but only at 14.4k.. If youãwanted 56k support you had to pay for it (better drivers I assume)..ããThe problem with dial-up and virtually all new computer programming is thatãno one ever thinks someone is still out there on dial-up and so distos ofãeverything are huge. Web pages that I could duplicate using 100k of dataãoften take 3 or 4 meg to load.. No one worries that a simple browser isã50 meg because that's takes just seconds on high speed, but where I liveãmost of the year a 50 meg file would take me 7 hours to download assumingãnothing interrupted that download and you had to start over. One 35 megãanti-virus program I had to download 5 times to finally get a working copy.ããI guess I'll have to decide if it's worth getting into the finer pointsãof a whole new Operating System since Linux in general doesn't selfãinstall a lot of stuff and in newer distros, things from older distrosãtend to be dropped so legacy support gets less and less over the years.ãHaving had computers since about 1983, Apple and PC, I've had to work myãway through a lot of changes so I'm sure I can manage it if I have to..ããThanks for your input..ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Your E-Mail has been returned due to insufficient voltageã þ PDQWK 2.52 #17ã---ã þ BgNet 1.0á12 ÷ moe's tavern * 1-502-875-8938 * moetiki.ddns.net:27ã