Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian, which keepsãthe kernel and security packages updated while remaining a version behind,ãor while stripping the bells and whistles?ããA few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine that I useãas a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to downgrade it back dueãto issues with it grinding the system to a halt, and that is without evenãinstalling an x-server. :)ããI was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter weight"ãdistros out there. The ones I remember from a few years back have ceasedãbeing maintained.ããThanks!ãã---ã þ SLMR 2.1a þ "You've stolen my soul!" - Granpa Simpsonã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Stripped down Debian distã By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Sat Aug 17 2019 07:41 pmãã > Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian, which keepsã > the kernel and security packages updated while remaining a version behind,ã > or while stripping the bells and whistles?ããI have been far from the Debian universe for a while, so I am not sure how the status is right now, but back in the day you could just install a minimum system using the main official installer and then install whatever you wanted on top of it. Netinstalls were very popular because they allowed for the same thing too: you installed the basics first, then added only the necessary components you wanted after the fact.ããIf that does not work for you, I would just switch distribution rather than try to find a Debian derivative, mainly because I don't think close Debian derivatives can be made more lightweight than a pure Debian you have manually stripped off. Alpine Linux seems to be a common choice for barebones systems. You may also try other Unix operating systems. NetBSD can probably be made into a very lightweight install. Same with OpenBSD if you are careful.ããThat said, keep in mind that what usually trashes system resources are the applications you are runnig. Oftentimes the problem is that a modern up-to-date browser or office suite you MUST use wants to eat more RAM than you have. You are not fixing that by switching distributions or operating systems.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Stripped down Debian distã By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Sat Aug 17 2019 19:41:00ãã DW> I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter weight"ã DW> distros out there. The ones I remember from a few years back have ceã DW> being maintained.ããYou could look into antiX, they're in the process of putting together aãrelease based around buster with betas currently available. Their FAQ pageãstates that it's possible to run it on a PII system, but not to expectãmiracles.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Chaotic Bliss BBS - cbliss.synchro.netã

Dumas Walker wrote to ALL <=-ãã DW> Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian,ã DW> which keeps the kernel and security packages updated whileã DW> remaining a version behind, or while stripping the bells andã DW> whistles?ãã DW> A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machineã DW> that I use as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had toã DW> downgrade it back due to issues with it grinding the system to aã DW> halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)ãã DW> I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighterã DW> weight" distros out there. The ones I remember from a few yearsã DW> back have ceased being maintained.ããYou might give antiX a try, it says it's a lightweight Deb variant ãand specifically mentions running on P3's:ããhttps://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=antixããã... Is fire supposed to shoot out of it like that!?ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

That said, keep in mind that what usually trashes system resources are the applã>cations you are runnig. Oftentimes the problem is that a modern up-to-date browã>er or office suite you MUST use wants to eat more RAM than you have. You are noã>fixing that by switching distributions or operating systems.ããThanks. This is a server with no X or X apps running. The base debianãinstall apparently did install some stuff I thought it should not have,ãlike pulseaudio, since the machine has no soundcard. I believe the issueãwas multiple processes running amok but I was not able to even get loggedãon to see what was going on... the processes had it really tied up. I madeãthat assumption based on the error messages that were showing up.ããThat was with 10. On Debian 9, I have plenty of RAM and CPU available. <shrugs>ãã---ã þ SLMR 2.1a þ Wrinkles only go where smiles have been - Jimmy Buffettã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

You could look into antiX, they're in the process of putting together aã> release based around buster with betas currently available. Their FAQ pageã> states that it's possible to run it on a PII system, but not to expectã> miracles.ããThanks, I may look at it.ãã---ã þ SLMR 2.1a þ "Einstein? Who's he? Another troublemaker?" - H.Bainesã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

On 08-18-19 06:39, Arelor wrote to All <=-ãã Ar> That said, keep in mind that what usually trashes system resources areã Ar> the applications you are runnig. Oftentimes the problem is that aã Ar> modern up-to-date browser or office suite you MUST use wants to eatã Ar> more RAM than you have. You are not fixing that by switchingã Ar> distributions or operating systems.ãããYeah, I've seen this on Lubuntu. If I load up Thunderbird or Firefox, theãmachine slows to a crawl, but if I use lightweight software like SynTerm andãMultimail, it runs really well. Makes a nice BBS terminal machine. :)ããã... Don't say during sex: "Now I know why he dumped you..."ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: Stripped down Debian distã By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Aug 19 2019 06:43 pmãã > Yeah, I've seen this on Lubuntu. If I load up Thunderbird or Firefox, theã > machine slows to a crawl, but if I use lightweight software like SynTerm andã > Multimail, it runs really well. Makes a nice BBS terminal machine. :)ã >ããPrety much a similar experience here. I have an old Pentium with 192M of RAM here. It would work ok with OpenBSD. If you tried to load Firefox it would start swapping like crazy.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

On 08-19-19 05:20, Arelor wrote to All <=-ãã Ar> Prety much a similar experience here. I have an old Pentium with 192Mã Ar> of RAM here. It would work ok with OpenBSD. If you tried to loadã Ar> Firefox it would start swapping like crazy.ããYep. Something like Puffin, where cloud based servers do the heavy lifting,ãwould be a good browser for these minimal systems, but unfortunately, it's notãavailable for most flavours of Linux.ããã... Five words every college grad knows... "You want fries with that?"ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: Stripped down Debian distã By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 18 2019 09:18 amãã > DW> Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian,ã > DW> which keeps the kernel and security packages updated whileã > DW> remaining a version behind, or while stripping the bells andã > DW> A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machineã > DW> that I use as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had toã > DW> downgrade it back due to issues with it grinding the system to aã > DW> halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)ããYes, going from Jessie to Buster you're going to really have to read up the docs for that to watch out for snafus, but once you're there it's all good.ããJessie is still actively supported, however, and you should be good for quite some time, considering you're running 'stable' in the first place.ããYou can always pick and choose packages you wish to update, with the usual provisos like deps and such.ããã > DW> I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighterã > DW> weight" distros out there. The ones I remember from a few yearsã > DW> back have ceased being maintained.ã >ã > You might give antiX a try, it says it's a lightweight Deb variantã > and specifically mentions running on P3's:ã >ããI don't think this will actually fit your requirements for what you consider as , "lighter weight", but it's pretty light weight if you want a GUI, so you could consider LMDE. It's based on the Debian-testing (currently Bullseye) version of Debian, instead of ewboontu, and available at https://linuxmint.com/download_lmde.phpã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã