Chickenhead wrote to All <=-ãã Ch> So...anyone using FreeBSD here?ãã I've actually started running FreeBSD on my laptop for quite some time now.ãI'm astounded at how compatible my stuff are to it and I have had less than 10ãissues migrating my workflow to it. I wish FreeBSD had good Steam support soãthat I can wholly jump ship to it. But as it stands right now, I have to keepãmy desktop running Linux on the off-chance that someone invites me to play aãcasual game every once in a blue moon.ãã But other than that, I'm liking how FreeBSD handles things. It might soundãoverly cliche but all their talk about stuff being clean and easy to understandãis true. I don't consider myself a technical expert on lower level stuff butãthe way they wrote their handbook and their system manpages are just awesomeãand really approachable. I used to say that I learned a lot about my computerãusing Linux as compared to using Windows but now I can say that I learned a lotãmore about computers using FreeBSD than using Linux.ãã... You want to delete me right? Yeah, you sure do. You slut.ã--- MultiMail/FreeBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: FreeBSD?ã By: Atroxi to Chickenhead on Wed Aug 26 2020 04:15 pmãã > -=> Chickenhead wrote to All <=-ã > ã > Ch> So...anyone using FreeBSD here?ã > ã > I've actually started running FreeBSD on my laptop for quite some time now. I'mã > astounded at how compatible my stuff are to it and I have had less than 10 issuesã > migrating my workflow to it. I wish FreeBSD had good Steam support so that I canã > wholly jump ship to it. But as it stands right now, I have to keep my desktop runniã > Linux on the off-chance that someone invites me to play a casual game every once inã > blue moon.ã > ã > But other than that, I'm liking how FreeBSD handles things. It might sound overlyã > cliche but all their talk about stuff being clean and easy to understand is true. Iã > don't consider myself a technical expert on lower level stuff but the way they wrotã > their handbook and their system manpages are just awesome and really approachable. ã > used to say that I learned a lot about my computer using Linux as compared to usingã > Windows but now I can say that I learned a lot more about computers using FreeBSD tã > using Linux.ã > ã > ... You want to delete me right? Yeah, you sure do. You slut.ããFreeBSD is nice. It feels a lot like a BSD-licensed Linux at times, though. When Iãwant a BSD experience I usually end up running OpenBSD, but that is a different beast.ãIf you run that one, expect to do some software porting if you want to make the mostãout of it :-)ãã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Re: FreeBSD?ã By: Atroxi to Chickenhead on Wed Aug 26 2020 16:15:00ãã > But other than that, I'm liking how FreeBSD handles things. It might sound overly cliche but all their talk about stuff being clean and easy to understand is true.ããI use FreeBSD at work a little bit and also have it here at home on a couple of SBCs. I don't know that I'd call it easy to understand as much as very well-documented. (Though the evbarm/aarch64 side of things are sorely lacking in documentation, but that's kind of to be expected.) Mind you, some of that documentation can be mildly absurd; their wiki in particular used to be really bad about beginning with outdated (often by a decade or more) information at the top followed by successive sections newer and superceding the last. "As of early 2013 this no longer works and you have to blah... Starting with 6.8rc3 in Jan 2015, you now must blah blah... " and so on for ten paragraphs.ããMy biggest complaint has always been the unwieldiness of the ports system, and how hard it is to find things you don't necessarily know the (package) name of, compared to, say, using apt or yum on Linux. Evidently there are now frontends / package managers that make this a little less painful. But I've been a Linux user/admin for close to 20 years, so maybe it's just a case of being very used to the Linux way...ããOne thing I find irritating (and I believe this is also applicable to, e.g. NetBSD and OpenBSD) though is their philosophical refusal to allow one to view information about the CPU(s) from userspace. Good luck figuring out what frequency your cores are running at (or indeed, on some evbarm/aarch64 platforms that take cores offline to prevent overheating, even just figuring out how many cores are active), something that's trivial on Linux.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Starboards! [dot SPACE!] SSH and moreã

Starman wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã St> I use FreeBSD at work a little bit and also have it here at home on aã St> couple of SBCs. I don't know that I'd call it easy to understand asã St> much as very well-documented.ãã I'm looking forward to loading it up on my new home lab this morningã - downloaded the install ISO yesterday. I bought a book on Amazon aã while back that I used heavily when using it in Production - "Theã Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey. I don't know how useful it'll beã now, or if it's anything more than printed out man pages, but it wasã helpful back in the day.ããã... Remember quiet eveningsã--- MultiMail/XT v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.orgã

Arelor wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã Ar> Re: Re: FreeBSD?ã Ar> By: Atroxi to Chickenhead on Wed Aug 26 2020 04:15 pmãã > -=> Chickenhead wrote to All <=-ã >ã > Ch> So...anyone using FreeBSD here?ã >ã > I've actually started running FreeBSD on my laptop for quite some time now.ãI'mã > astounded at how compatible my stuff are to it and I have had less than 10ãissuesã > migrating my workflow to it. I wish FreeBSD had good Steam support so that Iãcanã > wholly jump ship to it. But as it stands right now, I have to keep myãdesktop runniã > Linux on the off-chance that someone invites me to play a casual game everyãonce inã > blue moon.ã >ã > But other than that, I'm liking how FreeBSD handles things. It might soundãoverlyã > cliche but all their talk about stuff being clean and easy to understand isãtrue. Iã > don't consider myself a technical expert on lower level stuff but the wayãthey wrotã > their handbook and their system manpages are just awesome and reallyãapproachable.ã > used to say that I learned a lot about my computer using Linux as comparedãto usingã > Windows but now I can say that I learned a lot more about computers usingãFreeBSD tã > using Linux.ã >ã > ... You want to delete me right? Yeah, you sure do. You slut.ãã Ar> FreeBSD is nice. It feels a lot like a BSD-licensed Linux at times,ã Ar> though. When I want a BSD experience I usually end up running OpenBSD,ã Ar> but that is a different beast. If you run that one, expect to do someã Ar> software porting if you want to make the most out of it :-)ããI'm curious, how come is it a "BSD-licensed linux"? Yeah, OpenBSD is this thingãin the back of my head that I wanted to try out just for the sheer novelty ofãit but I don't know if it will fit my usecase. But we'll see.ãã... The number you have dailed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.ã--- MultiMail/FreeBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: FreeBSD?ã By: Atroxi to Arelor on Thu Sep 10 2020 02:33 pmãã > Ar> FreeBSD is nice. It feels a lot like a BSD-licensed Linux at times,ã > Ar> though. When I want a BSD experience I usually end up running OpenBSD,ã > Ar> but that is a different beast. If you run that one, expect to do someã > Ar> software porting if you want to make the most out of it :-)ã > ã > I'm curious, how come is it a "BSD-licensed linux"? Yeah, OpenBSD is this thã > in the back of my head that I wanted to try out just for the sheer novelty oã > it but I don't know if it will fit my usecase. But we'll see.ããIt is hard to point at the cause, but when I did things with FreeBSD I wasãthinking "this reminds me so much of Linux" all the way. Probably theãabstraction layers it has installed by default.ããOpenBSD feels a lot like its own thing. They have this bsd_auth going on,ãunveil(), this thing with users that belong to specific loging classes, andãthis chroot+privilege drop combo for lots of daemons. NetBSD feels very uniqueãtoo, in a different way, which is interesting because OpenBSD comes fromãNetBSD.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Chickenhead wrote to All <=-ãã > Ch> So...anyone using FreeBSD here?ãã > <deleted stuff> ãã > ... You want to delete me right? Yeah, you sure do. You slut.ããLMFAO!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Realm of Dispair telnet ephram.synchro.net 2323 ssh 2222 web 82ã