Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little troubleãusing the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I knowãthat one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problemãbecause its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get workingããããAs far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receive aãzmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't start theãtransfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnetãcommand prompt. I've tried starting rz in aãsubshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell. ããIt works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't workãwhen I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.ããAny hints or info appreciated.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã By: Boraxman to All on Thu Apr 30 2020 09:18 pmãã > Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little trouã > using the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I kã > that one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problemã > because its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get workã > ã > ã > ã > As far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receive ã > zmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't start ã > transfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnetã > command prompt. I've tried starting rz in aã > subshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell.ã > ã > It works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't worã > when I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.ã > ã > Any hints or info appreciated.ã > ããI think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you areãcalling.ããI just use ckermit. It detects file transfer petitions and calls the requiredãprogram on the fly. Even KDE's Konsole has support for this. Cool, isn't it?ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:42 pmãã > I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you areã > calling.ããTo be clear, the way it is supposed to be done is for the BBS to feed yourãterminal with a signal that it is ready to feed you a file. Then you areãsupposed to attach "something" that understands X/Y/ZMODEM to your terminal soãit can read the file from it. Running rz in a subshell does not count as it.ãScreen works because it actually reads an interpretates the content passedãthrough it.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:49 pmãã > Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã > By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Apr 30 2020 04:42 pmã > ã > > I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program you areã > > calling.ã > ã > To be clear, the way it is supposed to be done is for the BBS to feed yourã > terminal with a signal that it is ready to feed you a file. Then you areã > supposed to attach "something" that understands X/Y/ZMODEM to your terminal ã > it can read the file from it. Running rz in a subshell does not count as it.ã > Screen works because it actually reads an interpretates the content passedã > through it.ã > ãI was wondering about that. rz is somehow supposed to be able to tap into theãsame connection as telnet, but how would it know what that is?ããThe problem is, I've seen specific instructions that show this method and stateãit works. Perhaps it only works for serial, or where telnet has a TTY.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-ãã Ar> Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã Ar> By: Boraxman to All on Thu Apr 30 2020 09:18 pmãã > Hoping that someone here might be able to help me. I'm having a little trouã > using the zmodem programs rz/sz through telnet on Linux with BBSs. Now, I kã > that one can use Syncterm, or ztelnet, or even screen, but this is a problemã > because its bugging me because it is something I should know how to get workã >ã >ã >ã > As far as I know, through telnet one should be able to launch rz to receiveã > zmodem transfer. The problem is, that rz is launched, but it doesn't startã > transfer. I start rz by pressing CTRL-] and typeing "! rz" at the telnetã > command prompt. I've tried starting rz in aã > subshell, suspending telnet and starting rz in the parent shell.ã >ã > It works when I use screen, or zmodem, but I want to know why it doesn't worã > when I do it. Can it work, or is what I'm doing just not possible.ã >ã > Any hints or info appreciated.ã >ãã Ar> I think "!" does not pipe the ouput from telnet into the program youã Ar> are calling.ãã Ar> I just use ckermit. It detects file transfer petitions and calls theã Ar> required program on the fly. Even KDE's Konsole has support for this.ã Ar> Cool, isn't it?ãã Ar> ---ã Ar> = Synchronet = Vertrauen = Home of Synchronet =ã Ar> [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netãããI had no idea that Konsole could do this until yesterday! It is very cool. ãIt'sãgreat to see software packages which are still updated for modern requirements,ãstill not forgetting older protocols and practices.ããI know how to do this by other means, so I think I'll just take it that telnetãas-is, when used with a TCP connection doesn't handle it.ãã... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.orgã

Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 01 2020 08:45 pmãã > I was wondering about that. rz is somehow supposed to be able to tap into tã > same connection as telnet, but how would it know what that is?ã > ã > The problem is, I've seen specific instructions that show this method and stã > it works. Perhaps it only works for serial, or where telnet has a TTY.ã > ããAs far as I know, regular Linux Telnet does not have the functionality requiredãto call rz and pass the transfer to it when it detects a ZMODEM signal. IN factãI think Telnet can't detect a ZMODEM signal at all.ããI think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but I don't know forãsure.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon May 04 2020 07:04:10ããã Arelor> I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but Iã Arelor> don't know for sure.ããthere is no minicom installed here... nor any other text mode terminal program other than xterm, konsole, and similar that come standard with this Kubuntu installation...ããi open a text terminal window (konsole) and typeãã telnet mybbsããORãã ssh mybbsããwhich connects to my sbbs... i log in, go to the [T]ransfer section, find a file to download, and tell the bbs to send it... that's all i do... the zmodem start sequence triggers my terminal to perform a zmodem download and it saves the file in my normal "Downloads" directory...ããi can also upload files in almost the same manner by using CTRL-ALT-U... it just works :)ããã)\/(arkãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTARã

Rampage wrote to Arelor <=-ãã Ra> Re: Telnet and ZMODEMã Ra> By: Arelor to Boraxman on Mon May 04 2020 07:04:10ããã Ra> Arelor> I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers butã Ra> Iã Ra> Arelor> don't know for sure.ãã Ra> there is no minicom installed here... nor any other text mode terminalã Ra> program other than xterm, konsole, and similar that come standard withã Ra> this Kubuntu installation...ãã Ra> i open a text terminal window (konsole) and typeãã Ra> telnet mybbsãã Ra> ORãã Ra> ssh mybbsãã Ra> which connects to my sbbs... i log in, go to the [T]ransfer section,ã Ra> find a file to download, and tell the bbs to send it... that's all iã Ra> do... the zmodem start sequence triggers my terminal to perform aã Ra> zmodem download and it saves the file in my normal "Downloads"ã Ra> directory...ãã Ra> i can also upload files in almost the same manner by usingã Ra> CTRL-ALT-U... it just works :)ããã Ra> )\/(arkãã Ra> ---ã Ra> = Synchronet = The SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTARããThat is because Konsole is capturing and handling Zmodem traffic, not telnetãitself. I'm guessing that it either used to be able to do it, or only withãcertain types of connections (ie, serial), and that the instructions I've seenãare not applicable to TCP connections, but didn't state so.ããã... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Mind's Eye - mindseye.ddns.net - Melbourne Australiaã

On 05-04-20 07:04, Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-ãã Ar> I think people is using minicom for serial file transfers but I don'tã Ar> know for sure.ããI use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)ããã... A lobster is a crawfish on steroids.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Re: Re: Telnet and ZMODEM
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue May 05 2020 07:15 pm

I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)

I am using ckermit myself. So old-schoolñ :-)

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On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã > I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)ãã Ar> I am using ckermit myself. So old-school­ :-)ããCool. I never used ckermit. :)ããã... The first rule of air combat is to see the other guy first.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã

Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=-ãã -=> On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã > I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)ãã Ar> I am using ckermit myself. So old-school­ :-)ããIf you are connecting to a Commodore Graphics terminal then you can use CGTerm.ã You'll have to download an compile it if you are on *nix. It uses the SDL 1.2ãlibraries.ããThere are downloadable releases for Windows. Look for it on Github.comãããã... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ Jay's Cafe' - bay.jayscafe.net - ports 23, 6401, 6402ã

On 05-11-20 07:46, Jazzy J wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã JJ> @VIA: VERT/JAYSCAFEã -=> Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=-ãã -=> On 05-05-20 04:57, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-ãã > I use SyncTerm for BBS access from Linux and Windows. :)ãã Ar> I am using ckermit myself. So old-school­ :-)ãã JJ> If you are connecting to a Commodore Graphics terminal then you can useã JJ> CGTerm.ã JJ> You'll have to download an compile it if you are on *nix. It uses theã JJ> SDL 1.2 libraries.ããHmm, not sure where Commodore comes from in this thread, but might be useful toãknow. :)ããã... What do you get when you cross a Sysop with*^*(#%$&*@#%NO CARRIERã--- MultiMail/Win v0.51ã þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.auã