Hello everybody!ããI am interested to know if somebody is using a BSDesque Linux distributionãaround here. By that I mean, distributions that have a -stable core system andãthen a ports package system for the rest.ããI have been using Slackware for some years and I consider it very close toãthat. The official install has a "core" (not exactly a real core, but aãsoftware base that is official and not intended to change much within a singleãrelease). Then you can run sbotools on it (or a similar solution) and beãcreative with how you manage all the extras.ããThe reason I am asking is because Slackware -stable's core is aging, I'd needãsomething newer for certain purposes, and I don't want to run -current or anyãother pure rolling distribution.ããI am currently using - guess what - BSD's as replacements in some systems, butãI actually need a Linux kernel for certain cases.ããIdeas and comments appreciated. Let's keep the ball rolling.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 amããHello.ããI am running Slackware 14.2 with a custom kernel, compiling 5.9 LTSãis not a difficult task at all. Also, you can upgrade the MESAãslackbuild up to 13.0.6 without issues, offering a slightlyãbetter GL support.ããGood luck :).ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 amãã Ar> I am interested to know if somebody is using a BSDesque Linux distributionã Ar> around here. By that I mean, distributions that have a -stable core systemã Ar> and then a ports package system for the rest.ãã Gentoo is about the closest you'll get. Its package management system is called "portage". It downloads the source for each package, then compiles it with your custom compile flags.ããOften times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat racist, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanese make)ããI run Gentoo on my dev box, which is also the machine that hosts my dialup line (which then forwards to my BBS server). ããDaiTenguãã... Die, my dear doctor? That's the last thing I shall do.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: anthk to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 07:53 amãã > Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã > By: Arelor to All on Sun Oct 11 2020 09:36 amã > ã > Hello.ã > ã > I am running Slackware 14.2 with a custom kernel, compiling 5.9 LTSã > is not a difficult task at all. Also, you can upgrade the MESAã > slackbuild up to 13.0.6 without issues, offering a slightlyã > better GL support.ã > ã > Good luck :).ã > ããKernel updates are not what deprive me of sleep. Usually it is stuff like glibc, which I'd need to update for someãspecific reason, but sucks to manage yourself.ããHP Propietary plug-ins for printers and scanners are also offenders. If you want to use a modern one, you have toãbackport hplip to Slackware -stable. It is not that you can't do it, but I'd expect a distribution not to force meãto backport infrastructure software for devices that are years old already - and are supported by the vendor.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: Arelor to anthk on Tue Oct 20 2020 04:43 pmããTrue, but often Slackware packages from slackbuilds can be upgraded straight with noãdependecies, such as MESA in my case, having a nice boost from 11.x to 13.0.6.ãI guess HPLIP was written in Python right? Then upgrading it from a package sourcesãwould be just a little chore, such as setting the VERSION envvar right.ãAnyway, AlienBob has upgraded packages for a lot of software just in case.ãã-- Unix junkie --ã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: DaiTengu to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 02:46 pmãã > Gentoo is about the closest you'll get. Its package management system is called "portage". It downloads the source for eacã > package, then compiles it with your custom compile flags.ã > ã > Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat racist, derogatory term for people that soup up thã > cars, often of Japanese make)ã > ã > I run Gentoo on my dev box, which is also the machine that hosts my dialup line (which then forwards to my BBS server).ã > ã > DaiTenguã > ããThanks for the tip.ããI have actually been looking at Gentoo. I don't like the fact everything is rolling, and compiling everything seems too timeãconsuming. It is the sort of thing that would work if you had 50 identical computers, though. You could build a packageãcompiling cluster and then deploy packages to all your machines. I used to do that with OpenBSD since it comes with theãsoftware required to set a compilation cluster by default :-)ããVoid Linux is also interesting, but it is also rolling.ããI will probably end up trying both for a couple of months each though.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: anthk to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 07:06 pmãã > Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã > By: Arelor to anthk on Tue Oct 20 2020 04:43 pmã > ã > True, but often Slackware packages from slackbuilds can be upgraded straight with noã > dependecies, such as MESA in my case, having a nice boost from 11.x to 13.0.6.ã > I guess HPLIP was written in Python right? Then upgrading it from a package sourcesã > would be just a little chore, such as setting the VERSION envvar right.ã > Anyway, AlienBob has upgraded packages for a lot of software just in case.ã > ã > -- Unix junkie --ã > ããI tried running a newer version of HPLIP in Slackware-stable some time ago and it failed to run, but recently I managed toã"backport" it. The package built - I have yet to test it - but seriously, when you step out of the default with this sort ofãthing, you are just adding more work upon your shoulders. You can do it if need be, but you should not be forced to do it.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.esãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being a somewhat racã >, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanese make)ããThat brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's I built aã575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japanese 'fast' carsãwere referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term is left over fromãthat. :)ãã---ã þ SLMR Rob þ Round up the usual suspectsã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributionsã By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Wed Oct 21 2020 05:53 pmãã Ar> Thanks for the tip.ãã Ar> I have actually been looking at Gentoo. I don't like the fact everythingã Ar> is rolling, and compiling everything seems too time consuming. It is theã Ar> sort of thing that would work if you had 50 identical computers, though.ã Ar> You could build a package compiling cluster and then deploy packages toã Ar> all your machines. I used to do that with OpenBSD since it comes with theã Ar> software required to set a compilation cluster by default :-) ãã Yeah, Gentoo has distcc. I've always wanted to stand it up on a small cluster at work. Now that we're getting a bunch of dual-CPU AMD EPYC 64-core boxes (for a total of 256 CPUs per server with AMD's version of hyperthreading enabled). I wonder how long it would take to compile something like KDE with distcc across a dozen of those machines....ãã Ar> Void Linux is also interesting, but it is also rolling.ãã Not something I've ever looked into. I'm not against rolling releases, you just have to keep up with them. Like right now I'm stuck, because I have some old software on my Gentoo box, and it really wants to rip Python 2.7 out of my system. So I need to find a workaround.ããDaiTenguãã... If you don't go to people's funerals, they won't come to yours.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributiã By: Rob Mccart to DAITENGU on Thu Oct 22 2020 12:19 amãã DA>>Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being aã DA>>somewhat rac ã RM> >, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japaneseã RM> make) ãã RM> That brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's Iã RM> built a 575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japaneseã RM> 'fast' cars were referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term isã RM> left over from that. :)ãã That term was still somewhat popular in the early 90's. ããDaiTenguãã... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.comã

Re: BSD-Like Linux distributiã By: DaiTengu to Rob Mccart on Fri Oct 23 2020 12:43 amãã > Re: BSD-Like Linux distributiã > By: Rob Mccart to DAITENGU on Thu Oct 22 2020 12:19 amã > ã > DA>>Often times people call it "Linux for ricers" ( "ricers, being aã > DA>>somewhat racã > RM> >, derogatory term for people that soup up their cars, often of Japanesã > RM> make)ã > ã > RM> That brought back memories of my 'misspent' youth. In the early 70's Iã > RM> built a 575 HP Chevelle SS and, at the time, the much more rare Japanesã > RM> 'fast' cars were referred to as Rice Burners. I'd imagine your term isã > RM> left over from that. :)ã > ã > That term was still somewhat popular in the early 90's.ã > ã > DaiTenguã > ã > ... When you haven't got enough iodine in your blood you get a glacier.ã > ãFirst Fast and Furious movie introduced most people to tuners and ricers.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã