• [hispamsx] Lenguajes ensambladores.

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  • From Carlos de Santa-Ana Garcia sdcdsg@yahoo.es [hispamsx]@hispamsx@yahoogroups.com to hispamsx@yahoogroups.com on Tue May 26 17:11:13 2015
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    Bueno, básicamente, lo que entiende el Z80 es código maquina, el
    lenguaje ensamblador es de bajo nivel pero no es lo ve el Z80
    exactamente, gracias a ello se pueden usar muchas cosas añadidas como
    las etiquetas para saltar u otros comandos que quieras añadir, luego
    cuando se ensambla se traducen al código maquina, vamos lo mismo que los lenguajes de alto nivel cuando se compilan o interpretan.


    Un saludo.


    El 26/05/2015 a las 16:34, maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx] escribió:

    Saludos:

    en mi comienzo del estudio del lenguaje ensamblador para MSX, buscando distintos tipos de programas para ensamblar/editar, me tope con el
    tutorial de Pepe Vila (ZilogZ80a)Hasta este momento había visto en
    varios libros y tutoriales los mismos comandos, pero en este tutorial
    que trabaja con el asMSX para ensamblar y el EditPlus para la parte de
    editor de texto me encontré con una cantidad de comandos que en
    ninguna parte figuran como comandos oficiales del Z80 y en sintaxis
    muy extraña. Alguien me puede explicar esta diferencia, siendo que los comandos aceptados por el Z80 están en muchos lados como los mismos.
    No entiendo estas diferencias...Gracias !!!!!






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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bueno, básicamente, lo que entiende el
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    pero no es lo ve el Z80 exactamente, gracias a ello se pueden usar
    muchas cosas añadidas como las etiquetas para saltar u otros
    comandos que quieras añadir, luego cuando se ensambla se traducen
    al código maquina, vamos lo mismo que los lenguajes de alto nivel
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    editor de texto me encontré con una cantidad de
    comandos que en ninguna parte figuran como comandos
    oficiales del Z80 y en sintaxis muy extraña. Alguien
    me puede explicar esta diferencia, siendo que los
    comandos aceptados por el Z80 están en muchos lados
    como los mismos. No entiendo estas
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