• [hispamsx] Diferencia entre un Emulador y un Computer de "carne y hueso"

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    Discrepo totalmente. El Bluemsx es un emulador mucho menos realista para desarrollar que Openmsx.

    Las potentes herramientas de desarrollo que tiene Openmsx as=C3=AD como su flexibilidad para simular distintas configuraciones y modelos de msx
    convierten al Bluemsx en una broma por comparaci=C3=B3n.

    Por otro lado, los timings del vdp no son perfectos en ninguno de los dos emuladores, por lo que puedes encontrarte con sorpresas al correr tu
    programa en un msx real.

    Mi recomendaci=C3=B3n es que desarrolles en Openmsx y de tanto en tanto lo = vayas
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    Saludos.
    On 27 May 2015 03:57, "maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx]" < hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    Hola !!!


    sigo con mi tema de las rutinas en CM.


    En general estoy usando el BlueMSX que, seg=C3=BAn los que saben, es el m=
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    Alguien sabe si hay algo que todav=C3=ADa no tenga resuelto el BlueMSX en comparaci=C3=B3n con un MSX de verdad. Digo, algo que todav=C3=ADa falte =
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    Como siempre, gracias por cualquier respuesta.


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    Pues personalmente prefiero el blueMSX, por su facilidad de uso y el
    depurador que tiene.
    Es cierto que los tiempos del VDP y otros detalles no son perfectos, pero
    va muy bien para ir probando mientras vas desarrollando.
    Pero no te olvides nunca de ir probando de cuando en cuando en un MSX real, para evitar sorpresas.
    El 27/05/2015 08:17, "Jos=C3=A9 =C3=81ngel Morente msxjam@gmail.com [hispam= sx]" <
    hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> escribi=C3=B3:



    Discrepo totalmente. El Bluemsx es un emulador mucho menos realista para desarrollar que Openmsx.

    Las potentes herramientas de desarrollo que tiene Openmsx as=C3=AD como s=
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    flexibilidad para simular distintas configuraciones y modelos de msx convierten al Bluemsx en una broma por comparaci=C3=B3n.

    Por otro lado, los timings del vdp no son perfectos en ninguno de los dos emuladores, por lo que puedes encontrarte con sorpresas al correr tu
    programa en un msx real.

    Mi recomendaci=C3=B3n es que desarrolles en Openmsx y de tanto en tanto l=
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    vayas probando en un msx de verdad para asegurar que todo va como debe.

    Saludos.
    On 27 May 2015 03:57, "maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx]" < hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    Hola !!!


    sigo con mi tema de las rutinas en CM.


    En general estoy usando el BlueMSX que, seg=C3=BAn los que saben, es el = mejor
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    Alguien sabe si hay algo que todav=C3=ADa no tenga resuelto el BlueMSX e=
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    comparaci=C3=B3n con un MSX de verdad. Digo, algo que todav=C3=ADa falte=
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    que no est=C3=A9 funcionando correctamente en la emulaci=C3=B3n. No quis= iera ponerme
    a hacer una rutina usando algo que no est=C3=A9 del todo probado en el e= mulador.


    Como siempre, gracias por cualquier respuesta.


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    Pues personalmente prefiero el blueMSX, por su facilidad de uso y el depurador que tiene.

    Pues no, sigo en desacuerdo. La potencia del depurador del OpenMSX no tiene rival hoy en d=C3=ADa.

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    real, para evitar sorpresas.


    Exacto, esa es la clave. Desarrollar usando emulador, ir probando en el MSX=
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    Y si es posible, probando en muchos modelos de MSX para detectar alguna
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    Gracias Jos=C3=A9 por tu respuesta:

    mira que yo no me pon=C3=ADa entre los expertos para decir que emulador e=
    s
    mejor, ni de cerca. Solo comento lo que leo por ahi de los que saben m=C3=
    =A1s.

    Aunque, a modo personal, si te puedo decir dos o tres cosas que he visto.

    El color entre azul y celeste del famoso 15,4,4 coincide mucho m=C3=A1s e=
    n mi
    recuerdo (y los que tuvimos una MSX como m=C3=A1quina de la infancia no v=
    amos a
    olvidar nunca ese color de arranque) el del BlueMSX que el del OpenMSX qu=
    e
    es mucho m=C3=A1s fuerte.
    Las letras son exactas r=C3=A9plicas en el Blue y no tan parecidas en el =
    Open


    Las letras son las mismas porque ambas las dibuja la propia BIOS, que es la misma siempre.

    En cuanto a lo de los colores, tienen una sencilla explicaci=C3=B3n: =C2=BF= tuviste
    MSX1 o MSX2? Los colores no se ven iguales en ambos ordenadores (incluso aunque se trate de un MSX2 emulando a un MSX1) y tambi=C3=A9n cambian seg= =C3=BAn el
    modelo de TV si usabas toma de antena RF.

    OpenMSX tiene en cuenta eso e incluso tiene calibrada la tabla de valores
    de color para cada modelo por separado (e incluso tiene en cuenta las
    ligeras diferencias entre las distintas versiones del VDP seg=C3=BAn si el fabricante es Yamaha o Toshiba).



    y por =C3=BAltimo, un juego que jugaba quiz=C3=A1s demasiado de ni=C3=B1o=
    , el The Castle
    corre a la velocidad correcta en el Blue y un poco, solo un poco (aunque perceptiblemente) m=C3=A1s r=C3=A1pido en el Open y en el fMSX...


    Eso ser=C3=A1 porque en el BlueMSX lo est=C3=A1s jugando a 50 Hz (modo PAL,=
    como
    seguramente era tu MSX) y en OpenMSX por defecto arranca seg=C3=BAn la norm=
    a
    japonesa, a 60Hz (NTSC). Todos los juegos que corras a 60Hz ir=C3=A1n un 20=
    % m=C3=A1s
    r=C3=A1pidos.


    esto es s=C3=B3lo como usuario, luego no se cu=C3=A1l es el m=C3=A1s fiel e=
    n cuanto a su
    r=C3=A9plica de la arquitectura interna.

    __,_._

    Como te digo, las diferencias que comentas se deben a lo que te he
    explicado. Sin embargo, s=C3=AD hay una cosa en la que BlueMSX es ligeramen=
    te
    mejor que OpenMSX: en la latencia de teclado en Windows.

    Es decir, en un MSX real, la respuesta a las teclas es instant=C3=A1nea, mientras que los emuladores hay un ligero retardo que a veces se nota y
    otras no, pero ah=C3=AD est=C3=A1. En juegos de mucha precisi=C3=B3n tipo a= rcade, puede
    llegar a notarse bastante.
    En ese sentido, el BlueMSX responde un poco mejor que OpenMSX, cuya emulaci=C3=B3n al ser much=C3=ADsimo m=C3=A1s compleja, tambi=C3=A9n requie=
    re de m=C3=A1s m=C3=A1quina.

    Saludos.

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    El openmsx tiene mucho m=C3=A1s. Emula todos los modelos de msx conocidos, = uno
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    Pero tienes que bajarte de otro sitio los ficheros de emulaci=C3=B3n de cad=
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    modelo. No vienen con el emulador por razones de Copyright.

    En la lista de modelos tienes incluso tus ansiadas Talent ;)

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    mohai y Jos=C3=A9:

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    2) en el Catapult (que ser=C3=ADa como el motor de arranque?) cuando pong=
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    Como hago para que arranque el Int=C3=A9rprete MSX Basic? O el Open no ti=
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    El color entre azul y celeste del famoso 15,4,4 coincide mucho más en mi recuerdo (y los que tuvimos una MSX como máquina de la infancia no vamos a olvidar nunca ese color de arranque) el del BlueMSX que el del OpenMSX que es mucho más fuerte.
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    El color te variara incluso entre distintos MSX segun modelo y segun
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    Hola

    Las letras son las mismas porque ambas las dibuja la propia BIOS, que es la misma siempre.

    A menos que use la C-BIOS de marras. Entonces si que son distintas. Pero
    solo salen en el arranque ya que la C-BIOS tiene Basic, asi que supongo
    que no debe ser eso.

    Es posible que tenga las opciones de ajustar el ancho de pantalla
    activadas? Segun las pongas te pone mas o menos margenes y la pantalla
    mas o menos estrecha, por lo que las fuentes pueden parecer un poco
    diferentes. Que cambia el aspect ratio, vamos.

    Saludos

    Juan Luis, MsxKun

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    On 27 May 2015 20:18, "MsxKun msx_forever@yahoo.es [hispamsx]" < hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    Hola


    Las letras son las mismas porque ambas las dibuja la propia BIOS, que
    es la
    misma siempre.

    A menos que use la C-BIOS de marras. Entonces si que son distintas. Pero
    solo salen en el arranque ya que la C-BIOS tiene Basic, asi que supongo
    que no debe ser eso.

    Pero la cbios no es un msx. As=C3=AD de simple.

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    On 27 May 2015 20:18, &quot;MsxKun <a href=3D"mailto:msx_forever@yahoo.es">= msx_forever@yahoo.es</a> [hispamsx]&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hispamsx@ya= hoogroups.com">hispamsx@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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    &gt; Hola<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; &gt; Las letras son las mismas porque ambas las dibuja la propia BIOS,=
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    &gt; &gt; misma siempre.<br>
    &gt;<br>
    &gt; A menos que use la C-BIOS de marras. Entonces si que son distintas. Pe=
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    &gt; solo salen en el arranque ya que la C-BIOS tiene Basic, asi que supong=
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    &gt;<br>
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    es que ese es mi problema... no puedo hacer que el Open arranque el
    Interpreste Basic, me sale un error del tipo "este bios es s=C3=B3lo para c= orrer
    cartdrige" es esto posible?? como hacen ustedes para que arranque el Basic.
    Con el Blue eso es muy simple, con el Open, no veo como.


    Insisto. Eso es porque no le has instalado ninguna m=C3=A1quina msx.

    El openmsx viene con unas BIOS no oficiales llamadas C-BIOS que s=C3=B3lo sirven para ejecutar los cartuchos m=C3=A1s comunes y poco m=C3=A1s. De c= ompromiso,
    digamos.

    Pero con esas BIOS no est=C3=A1s a=C3=BAn emulando un msx completo.

    Para poder comenzar, como ya hemos explicado, tienes que instalar en
    openmsx los zip con las BIOS y ficheros xml que sirven para simular los
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  • From Maximiliano Uzal maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx]@hispamsx@yahoogroups.com to hispamsx@yahoogroups.com on Wed May 27 17:08:58 2015
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    ok, voy a ver de donde me puedo bajar alg=FAn modelo. Gracias por todas sus respuestas, debe ser molesto encontrarse con preguntas muy b=E1sicas para ustedes. Desde ya gracias !!!!

    El 27 de mayo de 2015, 16:48, Jos=E9 =C1ngel Morente msxjam@gmail.com [hispamsx] <hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> escribi=F3:




    On 27 May 2015 21:44, "maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx]" < hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    es que ese es mi problema... no puedo hacer que el Open arranque el
    Interpreste Basic, me sale un error del tipo "este bios es s=F3lo para co=
    rrer
    cartdrige" es esto posible?? como hacen ustedes para que arranque el Basi=
    c.
    Con el Blue eso es muy simple, con el Open, no veo como.


    Insisto. Eso es porque no le has instalado ninguna m=E1quina msx.

    El openmsx viene con unas BIOS no oficiales llamadas C-BIOS que s=F3lo
    sirven para ejecutar los cartuchos m=E1s comunes y poco m=E1s. De compr=
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    digamos.

    Pero con esas BIOS no est=E1s a=FAn emulando un msx completo.

    Para poder comenzar, como ya hemos explicado, tienes que instalar en
    openmsx los zip con las BIOS y ficheros xml que sirven para simular los modelos espec=EDficos de msx que quieras.



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    &gt; es que ese es mi problema... no puedo hacer que el Open arranque el In= terpreste Basic, me sale un error del tipo &quot;este bios es s=F3lo para c= orrer cartdrige&quot; es esto posible?? como hacen ustedes para que arranqu=
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    <p dir=3D"ltr">Pero con esas BIOS no est=E1s a=FAn emulando un msx completo=
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    <p dir=3D"ltr">Para poder comenzar, como ya hemos explicado, tienes que ins= talar en openmsx los zip con las BIOS y ficheros xml que sirven para simula=
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    Estamos aqu=C3=AD para ayudarnos...

    Saludos.

    El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 27 de mayo de 2015, Maximiliano Uzal maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx] <hispamsx@yahoogroups.com> escribi=C3=B3:



    ok, voy a ver de donde me puedo bajar alg=C3=BAn modelo. Gracias por toda=
    s sus
    respuestas, debe ser molesto encontrarse con preguntas muy b=C3=A1sicas p=
    ara
    ustedes. Desde ya gracias !!!!

    El 27 de mayo de 2015, 16:48, Jos=C3=A9 =C3=81ngel Morente msxjam@gmail.c=
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    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','msxjam@gmail.com');> [hispamsx] < hispamsx@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hispamsx@yahoogroups.com');>> escribi=C3=B3=
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    On 27 May 2015 21:44, "maxuzal@gmail.com
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    hispamsx@yahoogroups.com
    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hispamsx@yahoogroups.com');>> wrote:



    es que ese es mi problema... no puedo hacer que el Open arranque el
    Interpreste Basic, me sale un error del tipo "este bios es s=C3=B3lo par=
    a correr
    cartdrige" es esto posible?? como hacen ustedes para que arranque el Bas= ic.
    Con el Blue eso es muy simple, con el Open, no veo como.


    Insisto. Eso es porque no le has instalado ninguna m=C3=A1quina msx.

    El openmsx viene con unas BIOS no oficiales llamadas C-BIOS que s=C3=B3l=
    o
    sirven para ejecutar los cartuchos m=C3=A1s comunes y poco m=C3=A1s. D=
    e compromiso,
    digamos.

    Pero con esas BIOS no est=C3=A1s a=C3=BAn emulando un msx completo.

    Para poder comenzar, como ya hemos explicado, tienes que instalar en
    openmsx los zip con las BIOS y ficheros xml que sirven para simular los
    modelos espec=C3=ADficos de msx que quieras.




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  • From Carlos Escobar carlos_escobar@yahoo.com [hispamsx]@hispamsx@yahoogroups.com to hispamsx@yahoogroups.com on Wed May 27 20:08:14 2015
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    Hace tanto que no se mov=C3=ADa la lista :)

    Yo debo tener un cd o dvd con millones de cosas. =C2=A0El tema es que me po= nga a revisar. . Si de casualidad lo encuentro prometo pasarte lo que pueda=
    .


    Saludos desde Tucum=C3=A1n (aunque soy juje=C3=B1o)



    Enviado desde Yahoo Mail en Android

    De:"maxuzal@gmail.com [hispamsx]" <hispamsx@yahoogroups.com>
    Fecha:Mi=C3=A9, May 27, PM a 23:54
    Asunto:Re: [hispamsx] Diferencia entre un Emulador y un Computer de "carne =
    y hueso"

    =C2=A0=20

    bueno,, no puedo encontrarlos. El que me quiera pasar algunas bios para el = OpenMSX ser=C3=A1 bienvenido.


    Gracias!!!




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    Pero es que estaba comparando (si lei bien) entre BlueMSX y OpenMSX, que tampoco son MSX.

    Pero la cbios no es un msx. Así de simple.

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    Pero es que estaba comparando (si lei bien) entre BlueMSX y OpenMSX, que tampoco son MSX.

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    Bravo!

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    Hola


    Pero al menos el software sí lo es :) (me refiero a las BIOS y roms del sistema que son volcados de las originales).

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    width: 72px;
    }

    #photos div div {
    border: 1px solid #666666;
    height: 62px;
    overflow: hidden;
    width: 62px;
    }

    #photos div label {
    color: #666666;
    font-size: 10px;
    overflow: hidden;
    text-align: center;
    white-space: nowrap;
    width: 64px;
    }

    #reco-category {
    font-size: 77%;
    }

    #reco-desc {
    font-size: 77%;
    }

    .replbq {
    margin: 4px;
    }

    #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
    /* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
    margin-right: 2px;
    padding-right: 5px;
    }

    #ygrp-mlmsg {
    font-size: 13px;
    font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
    *font-size: small;
    *font: x-small;
    }

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    font-size: inherit;
    font: 100%;
    }

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    }

    #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {
    font:115% monospace;
    *font-size:100%;
    }

    #ygrp-mlmsg * {
    line-height: 1.22em;
    }

    #ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
    padding-bottom: 10px;
    }


    #ygrp-msg p a {
    font-family: Verdana;
    }

    #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
    color: #1E66AE;
    font-weight: 700;
    }

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    color: #ff7900;
    font-weight: 700;
    }

    #ygrp-reco {
    margin-bottom: 20px;
    padding: 0px;
    }

    #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
    font-size: 130%;
    text-decoration: none;
    }

    #ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
    font-size: 77%;
    list-style-type: square;
    padding: 6px 0;
    }=20

    #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
    margin: 0;
    padding: 0 0 0 8px;
    }

    #ygrp-text {
    font-family: Georgia;
    }

    #ygrp-text p {
    margin: 0 0 1em 0;
    }

    #ygrp-text tt {
    font-size: 120%;
    }

    #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
    border-right: none !important;=20
    }=20
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