Hello everyone,ããIt's been a while since I last posted on this board. ãBut a few weeks ago, I was able to get a hold of a turntableãand a bunch of LPs for around 60 dollars. The turntable itselfãwasn't in the best of shape. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsãmain issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ããOther than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records thatãthat I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.ããI'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsãand maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining ãthese things.ããCheers,ãAtroxiãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hello Atroxi!ãã** On Thursday 15.07.21 - 20:57, Atroxi wrote to All:ãã A> .. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã A> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã A> Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records thatã A> that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.ãã A> I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã A> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã A> these things.ããGet a new stylus/cartridge, first thing!ããIt's much better to just get a needle-cartridge "set" than ãtrying to muck around fitting just a stylus.ããFrom my experience, a new stylus is recommended after a few ãhundred-hours of play.ããEnjoy!ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã At> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã At> these things.ãã Not sure...but I have a whole slew of vinyl LP's that my late Momãand Dad bought over the years (they were married for just over 54ãyears, before pancreatic cancer killed him). I also have severalãof the Clive Cussler books that my Mom had bought.ãã I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship themãout...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally thatãI don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks whoãended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ããDarylãã... Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansasã

Hello Atroxi;ãã-=> Atroxi wrote to All <=-ãã At> It's been a while since I last posted on this board.ã At> But a few weeks ago, I was able to get a hold of a turntableã At> and a bunch of LPs for around 60 dollars. The turntable itselfã At> wasn't in the best of shape. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã At> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã At> Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records thatã At> that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.ãã At> I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã At> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã At> these things.ããThere's specialty shops around you can find online that may have a good newãstylus for you. If I can recall Sansui was an "OK" make back then. Is itãbelt driven? You may need a new belt if so. You're better off with a magneticãdrive system. ããAs for keeping your records in decent shape, store them vertically not ãhorizontally! In time they will warp if you do. Only handle them via theãouter edges and you may use a soft dry cloth to wipe them with. Keep yourãstylus fresh! An old stylus may scrape the insides of the grooves and it willãlose it's sound quality.ãã... Coma - A punctuation markã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Daryl Stout!ãã** On Sunday 18.07.21 - 18:10, Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi:ãã DS> I have no use for either of these, but can't afford toã DS> ship them out...and am leery of trying to hook up withã DS> someone locally that I don't know to get them. I'veã DS> heard too many cases of folks who ended up gettingã DS> killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ããHow about taking the meet-ups to a clearly public place where a ãlot of people (and security cameras) are around?ããããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Daryl Stout to Atroxi on Sun Jul 18 2021 06:10 pmãã > I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship themã > out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally thatã > I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks whoã > ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ã > ããWell, mobsters exchange illegal weapons in public squares or privateãappartments all the time.ããI personally arrange exchanges for second hand stuff in public squares. If Iãdon't know the person I am dealing with I arrange it for going with a couple ofãfriends. The most tense exchange I had done by sending two friends into theãsquare to scout before I went in myself, and I had my friends watch theãexchange from the distance just in case.ããBut seriously, the most common type of incident you are going to face is one ofãthe parties arriving late or failing to show up at all. Which is why you shouldãnot sacrifice much in order to attend an exchange.ããNowadays I just use a logistics agency, since I have a logistic plan with myãecommerce site. The agency just sends a guy in, the guy pays and retrieves theãpackage. The cost is very low but the system only works if you trust the otherãparty to play fair. Otherwise they could give you a package full of bricks.ããLogistic agencies also prvide cash on delivery, which is handy because you canãsend your logistics guy in, the receiver can pay for the package uponãreception, and everybody is happy.ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

On 18 Jul 2021, Daryl Stout said the following...ã ã DS> ã DS> Not sure...but I have a whole slew of vinyl LP's that my late Momã DS> and Dad bought over the years (they were married for just over 54ã DS> years, before pancreatic cancer killed him). I also have severalã DS> of the Clive Cussler books that my Mom had bought.ã DS> ã DS> I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship themã DS> out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally thatã DS> I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks whoã DS> ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ã DS> ããCheck out discogs.org. You may find that some of your albums, especially from some life long collectors, have some real value. Anything reasonably popular/nostalgic is going for $10-$20 a record. The Time Life/As Seen on TV kind of stuff doesn't hold a lot of value, but for beginner collectors who just want to get the experience, you can still sell them for a few $$$.ããAmazon sells mailers for vinyl records. They're not super cheap, but if you sell a few records, then it's not a bad investment.ããRegarding the hookup, if you meet during daylight hours outside a police station or outside of a busy store, your odds of having trouble are low. Alternatively, if you visit antique stores in your area you might find one willing to take your stuff on consignment or just buy you out outright.ããI've only recently started collecting, but it's really important that these things be preserved for the future. </end rant>ããGreenLFC º e> greenleaderfanclub@protonmail.comãInfosec / Ham / Retro º masto> greenleaderfanclub@distrotootãAvoids Politics on BBS º gem> gemini.greenleader.xyzã

How about taking the meet-ups to a clearly public place where aã Og> lot of people (and security cameras) are around?ãã I would do it within an area of a strong police presence, butãconsidering the mindset of certain folks who want to do whateverãthey want, without fear of punishment or consequences, I may beãstuck with it.ãã As 1 Timothy 1:9 notes, "the law was made for the lawless ones".ãAnd, The Lord, He Made The Rules...not me.ããDarylãã... Never drink and drive. Hitting a bump spills your drink.ã

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Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã Og> Get a new stylus/cartridge, first thing!ããI was going to say, won't a worn stylus potentially damage an LP?ããã... Where is the edge?ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã BR> As for keeping your records in decent shape, store them vertically notã BR> horizontally! In time they will warp if you do. Only handle them viaã BR> the outer edges and you may use a soft dry cloth to wipe them with.ã BR> Keep your stylus fresh! An old stylus may scrape the insides of theã BR> grooves and it will lose it's sound quality.ããI've heard a story from two people now, suppose it's become apocryphal. ãCollege radio station is in the basement of a building. Building floods, ãsoaking the records. Albums stacked vertically were intact, but the sleeves ãwere ruined. They bought a bunch of blank cardboard sleeves and cleaned the ãrecords, and found that the records played better, because the waterlogged ãsleeves expanded and straightened out any warp in the records.ããAlthough, it's possible both storytellers went to the same school...ããã... Where is the edge?ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Hey poindexter;ãã-=> poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã pF> I've heard a story from two people now, suppose it's become apocryphal.ã pF> College radio station is in the basement of a building. Buildingã pF> floods, soaking the records. Albums stacked vertically were intact, butã pF> the sleeves were ruined. They bought a bunch of blank cardboard sleevesã pF> and cleaned the records, and found that the records played better,ã pF> because the waterlogged sleeves expanded and straightened out any warpã pF> in the records.ããI've never heard of that happening before but I wouldn't be surprised.ãã pF> Although, it's possible both storytellers went to the same school...ããTrue, ya never know.ãã... Football is a game designed to keep coalminers off the streetsã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hi Ogg!ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã Og> Hello Atroxi!ãã Og> ** On Thursday 15.07.21 - 20:57, Atroxi wrote to All:ãã A> .. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã A> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã A> Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records thatã A> that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.ãã A> I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã A> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã A> these things.ãã Og> Get a new stylus/cartridge, first thing!ãã Og> It's much better to just get a needle-cartridge "set" thanã Og> trying to muck around fitting just a stylus.ãã Og> From my experience, a new stylus is recommended after a fewã Og> hundred-hours of play.ãã Og> Enjoy!ããThanks! I've been looking around and it seems that I can get the stylus forãthisãmodel quite easily but the cartridge assembly might be a tad difficult to get.ããI'll look around more, but thanks for the advice!ãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã At> I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã At> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã At> these things.ãã DS> Not sure...but I have a whole slew of vinyl LP's that my late Momã DS> and Dad bought over the years (they were married for just over 54ã DS> years, before pancreatic cancer killed him). I also have severalã DS> of the Clive Cussler books that my Mom had bought.ãã DS> I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship themã DS> out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally thatã DS> I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks whoã DS> ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ããIt is quite a bit sketchy. I'm not sure though where you can offload those.ãIt would be nice if you can donate that to someone that would really takeãcare of those media. I wish I'm just local to your area but that's alright.ããI hope you're able to find someone who can take care of those things!ãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hello Brian!ãã-=> Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã BR> Hello Atroxi;ãã -=> Atroxi wrote to All <=-ãã At> It's been a while since I last posted on this board.ã At> But a few weeks ago, I was able to get a hold of a turntableã At> and a bunch of LPs for around 60 dollars. The turntable itselfã At> wasn't in the best of shape. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã At> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã At> Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records thatã At> that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.ãã At> I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPsã At> and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintainingã At> these things.ãã BR> There's specialty shops around you can find online that may have a goodã BR> new stylus for you. If I can recall Sansui was an "OK" make back then.ã BR> Is it belt driven? You may need a new belt if so. You're better offã BR> with a magnetic drive system.ããI think it's a direct drive system. I managed to find the repair manual andãthe user manual for this specific model and it doesn't seem to have any belts?ã(I'm not quite sure) I wanted to take a peek inside it but I'm a bit weary ofãdoing so until I managed to get a new stylus for it.ãã BR> As for keeping your records in decent shape, store them vertically notã BR> horizontally! In time they will warp if you do. Only handle them viaã BR> the outer edges and you may use a soft dry cloth to wipe them with.ã BR> Keep your stylus fresh! An old stylus may scrape the insides of theã BR> grooves and it will lose it's sound quality.ããThanks for the advice, I'll take note of it!ãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hello Atroxi;ãã-=> Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã At> I think it's a direct drive system. I managed to find the repair manualã At> and the user manual for this specific model and it doesn't seem to haveã At> any belts? (I'm not quite sure) I wanted to take a peek inside it butã At> I'm a bit weary of doing so until I managed to get a new stylus for it.ããDirect drive will give you typically (warping of the record considering)ãthe cleanest "rumble" from the table itself. Mine are direct drive ãas well. They're designed for broadcast quality and also durability forãcuing them for remote control start and such.ãã At> Thanks for the advice, I'll take note of it!ããYou're quite welcome. I used to be on the radio back in the day when we usedãrecords so I'm pretty familiar with the vinyl and with various turntables. Forãgeneral home use when you're not cuing up a record for broadcast play anyãaverage to above average stylus/cartridge such as audio technica will do fine.ãBut for broadcast usage I prefer stanton cartridges which is what I use. ããAlso follow the manufacturer's recommended weights! A properly balancedãtonearm will also help prolong the life of your records. One that's weightedãtoo lightly can cause skipping and groove damage from the skips. One that isãtoo heavy can also eat into the grooves causing loss of audio quality.ããIf taken care of, vinyl can be a very long lasting form of enjoyable soundãfor your audio pleasures. I have some that are decades in age that still soundãas good as they possibly can.ããEnjoy my friend!ãã... Bacteria - Back door to cafeteriaã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hey Daryl;ãã -=> Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã DS> I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship themã DS> out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally thatã DS> I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks whoã DS> ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.ããWhy not find like a church tag sale and try to unload them there. Vinylãis worth some good $$ and you can donate some to the church where itãhopefully will do some good :)ãã... I have kleptomania but when it gets bad I take something for it.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

It is quite a bit sketchy. I'm not sure though where you can offloadã At> those. It would be nice if you can donate that to someone that wouldã At> really take care of those media. I wish I'm just local to your area butã At> that's alright.ãã At> I hope you're able to find someone who can take care of those things!ãã I ran into a gentleman at the Post Office today, who saw the back of myãT-Shirt, noting the Clive Cussler Collectors Society. He said he was a bigãfan of his, but not a book collector, per se. I would've loved to have hadãhim take those off my hands.ããDarylãã... Put it on my Blackberry? I don't even have a pomegranate!ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansasã

Brian,ãã BR> Why not find like a church tag sale and try to unload them there. Vinylã BR> is worth some good $$ and you can donate some to the church where itã BR> hopefully will do some good :)ãã The libraries and most other areas are real picky on what's donated, withãthe massive surge in COVID-19 cases. Right now in Arkansas, it's those whoãare NOT vaccinated, and especially those 12 or younger.ãã FWIW, I had both my shots in April. I read the story on the booster shots,ãbut despite all my medical conditions, I don't qualify for it. ãã My problem now is dealing with atrial flutter (I had never heard of it ãbefore). My heart rate was racing at 155 in the Emergency Room on July 29, ãand I ended up being hospitalized for 4 days. ãã I'm on a blood thinner now (to prevent clots, that could cause a fatal ãheart attack or stroke), and a medication to stabilize the heart rate and ãthe blood pressure (I already had high blood pressure before this, but the ãmedication was keeping it stable). The medicine stabilized the heart rate ãto 74 (that's what it was when I had a chemical stress test and anãechocardiogram the other day). A friend of mine quipped "It's like 18ãholes of golf...74 is a lot better than 155". <G>ãã BR> ... I have kleptomania but when it gets bad I take something for it.ãã And, schizophrenia beats dining alone. <G> The thing is, with me, myself,ãand I at the table, who picks up the tab for the dinner?? <G>ããDarylãã... Error??!! - Impossible!! My keyboard is error correcting!!ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansasã

Hello Atroxi!ãã** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 12:58, Atroxi wrote to Ogg:ãã A>> .. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã A>> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã[...]ãã A> I've been looking around and it seems that I can get theã A> stylus for this model quite easily but the cartridgeã A> assembly might be a tad difficult to get.ããAnd.. I just noticed that the model is a linear-tracking ãdesign. Those always intrigued me. And, it's a direct-drive ãmachine. Always wanted one of those!ããWhat I primarily subscribe to was the bayonet type mount system ãfor the cartridge assembly.ããMy last remain working system is a woodgrain Pioneer PL-A35. I ãlove the arm/cartridge balancing system. It reminds me of a ãsteampunk world.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Daryl;ãã-=> Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã BR> Why not find like a church tag sale and try to unload them there. Vinylã BR> is worth some good $$ and you can donate some to the church where itã BR> hopefully will do some good :)ãã DS> The libraries and most other areas are real picky on what's donated,ã DS> with the massive surge in COVID-19 cases. Right now in Arkansas, it'sã DS> those who are NOT vaccinated, and especially those 12 or younger.ããGo elsewhere if you wish to see them with someone who can appreciate them!ãIf they're going to let Covid rule that they can't be sold, they they've ãalready let the virus kill them! Mouse and Elephant thing here... not to beãconfused with Moose and Squirrel <G>ããRemember: it's not quarantining, it's government's way of sending you toãillegal house arrest!ããã... Vuja De: the feeling that nothing like this has ever happened before.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Brian,ãã BR> Go elsewhere if you wish to see them with someone who can appreciateã BR> them! If they're going to let Covid rule that they can't be sold, theyã BR> they've already let the virus kill them! Mouse and Elephant thingã BR> here... not to be confused with Moose and Squirrel <G>ãã Man, I miss those old cartoons.ãã But, now with being a cardiac patient, I have more important fish to fryãright now. I was in the hospital for 4 days, with my heart racing at 155ã(I called 911, and was ambulatory to the ER). They finally got me on a ãblood thinner to prevent clots, and a deal to stabilize the heart rateãand blood pressure (it was 74 at the Heart Clinic, where I had a chemicalãstress test and an ECG last week). That chemical stress test makes youãfeel like you're having a heart attack, and it hits about as fast as ifãyour were bitten by a snake!!ãã A fellow ham radio operator said that it's like 18 holes of golf...74ãis much better than 155!! (hi hi).ãã My dilemma now is needing a colonoscopy and an EGD (literally, top toãbottom <G>)...but they want you to stop blood thinners from a week beforeãto 2 days after. If I do that, I could risk a fatal clot (stroke or heartãattack)...and if I don't, I could bleed out.ãã BR> Remember: it's not quarantining, it's government's way of sending youã BR> to illegal house arrest!ãã When I had chicken pox back over 41 years ago, I was in the hospital forãa week, and out of work at a local Burger King, and out of school at theãUniversity Of Arkansas At Little Rock for 2 months, by order of the StateãHealth Department.ãã It was like someone had dropped me in a vat of itching powder, and closedãthe lid. It nearly went into encephalitis, and they put me in isolation.ãThe doctor said "it was the worst case he had ever seen". I had to takeãNASTY oatmeal baths for 3 days...I swore I'd never look at that the sameãway again. :Pãã BR> Vuja De: the feeling that nothing like this has ever happened before. ãã Stolen...or should I say "acquired for tagline research". <G>ããDaryl, WX4QZãã... Deja Booboo: When you feel you've screwed this up before.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansasã

Hey Brian,ãã-=> Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã BR> Hello Atroxi;ãã -=> Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã At> I think it's a direct drive system. I managed to find the repair manualã At> and the user manual for this specific model and it doesn't seem to haveã At> any belts? (I'm not quite sure) I wanted to take a peek inside it butã At> I'm a bit weary of doing so until I managed to get a new stylus for it.ãã BR> Direct drive will give you typically (warping of the recordã BR> considering) the cleanest "rumble" from the table itself. Mine areã BR> direct drive as well. They're designed for broadcast quality and alsoã BR> durability for cuing them for remote control start and such.ãã At> Thanks for the advice, I'll take note of it!ãã BR> You're quite welcome. I used to be on the radio back in the day when weã BR> used records so I'm pretty familiar with the vinyl and with variousã BR> turntables. For general home use when you're not cuing up a record forã BR> broadcast play any average to above average stylus/cartridge such asã BR> audio technica will do fine. But for broadcast usage I prefer stantonã BR> cartridges which is what I use.ããThat's interesting. I grew up during the time that vinyl is already consideredã`obsolete' technology. As such, I never really gave any thought for howãthings were done pre-CD and digital formats.ããNowadays, setting up a `web radio station' is really simple. But I assumeãthingsãare much more complicated before.ãã BR> Also follow the manufacturer's recommended weights! A properly balancedã BR> tonearm will also help prolong the life of your records. One that'sã BR> weighted too lightly can cause skipping and groove damage from theã BR> skips. One that is too heavy can also eat into the grooves causing lossã BR> of audio quality.ããGot it. I'm not quite sure how to do that yet. But I hope I get the time to ãget really into it. :-)ãã BR> If taken care of, vinyl can be a very long lasting form of enjoyableã BR> sound for your audio pleasures. I have some that are decades in ageã BR> that still sound as good as they possibly can.ããIt really is. This might just be placebo working its way but listening toãsound produced through a grooved vinylite is an inherently different ãexperience to just loading up an opus or mp3 file in the computer.ãã BR> Enjoy my friend!ããThanks!ãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hey Daryl,ãã-=> Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã At> It is quite a bit sketchy. I'm not sure though where you can offloadã At> those. It would be nice if you can donate that to someone that wouldã At> really take care of those media. I wish I'm just local to your area butã At> that's alright.ãã At> I hope you're able to find someone who can take care of those things!ãã DS> I ran into a gentleman at the Post Office today, who saw the back ofã DS> my T-Shirt, noting the Clive Cussler Collectors Society. He said he wasã DS> a big fan of his, but not a book collector, per se. I would've loved toã DS> have had him take those off my hands.ããIt will get there, hahaha! It is nice to be able to find someone willing toãtake up the junk that we don't really want to keep instead of just throwingãit away. At least it will give us the peace of mind that whatever we gaveãwill be taken care of and not just rot in some abandoned place.ãã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Atroxi to Brian Rogers on Mon Aug 16 2021 11:37 amãã At> That's interesting. I grew up during the time that vinyl is alreadyã At> considered `obsolete' technology. As such, I never really gave any thoughtã At> for how things were done pre-CD and digital formats.ããCD is a digital format.. Audio on a CD is stored digitally.ãCassette tapes were popular when I was growing up, but CDs had just come around too, so older formats such as vinyl were the old obsolete thing when I was growing up too. It seems there are people who have always liked vinyl though.ããOne thing I liked about cassette tapes was that they were easy to record audio on, compared to vinyl and CD. Even when CD-R discs came out, I don't recall ever seeing a stereo or anything where you could put in a CD-R disc, press a record button, and record from a mic or from the radio. But it was nice to be able to burn onto a CD with a CD burner in a PC.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Hello Atroxi;ãã-=> Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã At> That's interesting. I grew up during the time that vinyl is alreadyã At> considered `obsolete' technology. As such, I never really gave anyã At> thought for how things were done pre-CD and digital formats.ããAs you see however, NO technology is *really* obsolete as long as the deviceãitself still works - which it does. Even the Edophone still works as long asãyou can find the waxes for it. A nice compliment to records is open reel orãsome call it reel-to-reel tape. Better if you can find a unit with DBX noiseãreduction. ãã At> Nowadays, setting up a `web radio station' is really simple. But Iã At> assume thingsã At> are much more complicated before.ããI had one years ago. Some of my old shows are on my website. If you netmailãme I'll be happy to send you the link. I used what we call CARTS both tapeãand CD carts. I was a professional broadcast DJ for decades. Compared toãbroadcast where you need transmitters, licenses, etc. setting up webãstreams are quite simple.ãã At> Got it. I'm not quite sure how to do that yet. But I hope I get theã At> time to get really into it. :-)ããWhen you put your cartridge on the tonearm, set it so that it's perfectlyãhorizontal and adjust the weight gauge to 0. then turn the weight where itãreads to what your manufacturer specs are.ãã At> It really is. This might just be placebo working its way but listeningã At> to sound produced through a grooved vinylite is an inherently differentã At> experience to just loading up an opus or mp3 file in the computer.ããThe sound is slightly different. The insturmentation I feel is a lot cleanerãand more 'natural' compared to today's digital... but that's my opinion.ãToday's digital is a LOT more portable! Music on an iPod or phone tied intoãa car via aux or bluetooth for example.ããfyi: you know you've cranked up your music too loud when...ã-you get feedback from the tonearmã-your vinyl skips from the vibrationsããyes I've done both <G>ãã... He who has burned his mouth blows his soup.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hey Nightfox;ãã-=> Nightfox wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã Ni> CD is a digital format.. Audio on a CD is stored digitally.ã Ni> Cassette tapes were popular when I was growing up, but CDs had justã Ni> come around too, so older formats such as vinyl were the old obsoleteã Ni> thing when I was growing up too. It seems there are people who haveã Ni> always liked vinyl though.ããDo you recall 8-tracks?? Great in theory, horrible in design! One used to seeãsmashed 8-tracks and yards of mylar stretched out along roads like we didãplastic bags just a few years ago LOLããI loved cassettes especially for the car. I still have a cassette player inãmine but I haven't touched it since I got this car. I use a limiter in myãaudio chain when recording onto cassette so I raise the audio above theãtape's noise theshold which also allows me to maintain the volume in the carãabove road noise level.ãã Ni> One thing I liked about cassette tapes was that they were easy toã Ni> record audio on, compared to vinyl and CD. Even when CD-R discs cameã Ni> out, I don't recall ever seeing a stereo or anything where you couldã Ni> put in a CD-R disc, press a record button, and record from a mic orã Ni> from the radio. But it was nice to be able to burn onto a CD with a CDã Ni> burner in a PC.ããYes they were convenient but then again back then radio was of a better qualityãproduct to listen to. Now it's all canned by a computer - which is why I gotãout of the industry!ãã... Rectum - What nearly killed himã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Brian Rogers to Nightfox on Thu Aug 19 2021 10:44 amãã BR> Do you recall 8-tracks?? Great in theory, horrible in design! One used toã BR> see smashed 8-tracks and yards of mylar stretched out along roads like weã BR> did plastic bags just a few years ago LOLããI know of 8-tracks but I've never actually used one. I'm probably too young.. By the time I was growing up, cassette tapes were very common. I've never even seen an 8-track player in a car in my lifetime, unless perhaps it was an older car.ãã BR> Yes they were convenient but then again back then radio was of a betterã BR> quality product to listen to. Now it's all canned by a computer - which isã BR> why I got out of the industry!ããWhat do you mean by "canned by a computer"?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Hey Nightfox;ãã-=> Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Ni> I know of 8-tracks but I've never actually used one. I'm probably tooã Ni> young.. By the time I was growing up, cassette tapes were very common.ã Ni> I've never even seen an 8-track player in a car in my lifetime, unlessã Ni> perhaps it was an older car.ããMy very first car had one in it and no one knew! I purchased it from my momãand she had it for years and didn't know it was there. It was an AM/8-trackãplayer <G> They were convenient but often failed in one way or another.ãã Ni> What do you mean by "canned by a computer"?ããCanned by a computer meaning the announcer records his voice tracks into theãPC and saves the various files, and the computer handles the rest live. Notãat all fun and takes away the human factor from a show.ãã... We do not want sleazy underthings for christmas... Give us moneyã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hey Ogg,ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-ãã Og> Hello Atroxi!ãã Og> ** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 12:58, Atroxi wrote to Ogg:ãã A>> .. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and itsã A>> main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.ãã Og> [...]ãã A> I've been looking around and it seems that I can get theã A> stylus for this model quite easily but the cartridgeã A> assembly might be a tad difficult to get.ãã Og> And.. I just noticed that the model is a linear-trackingã Og> design. Those always intrigued me. And, it's a direct-driveã Og> machine. Always wanted one of those!ããYeah, they are quite fun to use as well! Albeit you can't reallyãmanually move the stylus as with other turntables and you can'tãchange the slip mat since the linear tracking relies on it beingãthat exact slip mat. Luckily mine still hasn't disintegrated soãit's still working great.ãã Og> What I primarily subscribe to was the bayonet type mount systemã Og> for the cartridge assembly.ãã Og> My last remain working system is a woodgrain Pioneer PL-A35. Iã Og> love the arm/cartridge balancing system. It reminds me of aã Og> steampunk world.ããJust looked it up. Man that does evoke some steampunk vibes.ããã... {gemini,https}://rtr.kalayaan.xyz -- visit me! :-)ã--- MultiMail/OpenBSD v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Brian Rogers to Nightfox on Thu Aug 19 2021 07:55 pmãã Ni>> I know of 8-tracks but I've never actually used one. I'm probablyã Ni>> too young.. By the time I was growing up, cassette tapes were veryã Ni>> common. I've never even seen an 8-track player in a car in myã Ni>> lifetime, unless perhaps it was an older car.ãã BR> My very first car had one in it and no one knew! I purchased it from myã BR> mom and she had it for years and didn't know it was there. It was anã BR> AM/8-track player <G> They were convenient but often failed in one way orã BR> another. ããHow do you not know that's there, when the car streo is usually right there next to the steering wheel?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Hello Nightfox;ãã-=> Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Ni> How do you not know that's there, when the car streo is usually rightã Ni> there next to the steering wheel?ããIt was second hand, and no manual. No stereo either was just AM/8-track andãI did find it. :)ãããã... I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Brian Rogers!ãã** On Thursday 19.08.21 - 10:44, Brian Rogers wrote to Nightfox:ãã BR> Yes they were convenient but then again back then radioã BR> was of a better quality product to listen to. Now it's allã BR> canned by a computer - which is why I got out of theã BR> industry!ããDid you get out or get thrown out? :/ There was a radical ãmodernization of the local radio station in my town: Moose FM. ãEnd result, fewer radio hosts were needed. Local programming ãwas scaled back. Jobs were lost.ããI had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music and ãcommercials) at the my university radio station. That was so ãmuch fun. I never had the guts to host my own show, but there ãwere a handful of hosts that just wanted someone to do the ãtechnical part for them. The turntables were awesome and solid ãperformers.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Ogg;ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Og> Did you get out or get thrown out? :/ There was a radicalã Og> modernization of the local radio station in my town: Moose FM.ã Og> End result, fewer radio hosts were needed. Local programmingã Og> was scaled back. Jobs were lost.ããI left the industry. Back in my day I was one of the top hosts in the regionalãratings... but I saw the writing on the wall and I didn't care for that typeãof environment. Not being able to do things at the spur of the moment andãjoke around with callers was just not fun. It's like giving a kid a candyãbar and then when he's half way through taking it away. ãã Og> I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music andã Og> commercials) at the my university radio station. That was soã Og> much fun. I never had the guts to host my own show, but thereã Og> were a handful of hosts that just wanted someone to do theã Og> technical part for them. The turntables were awesome and solidã Og> performers.ããToday they call that function a "producer". That's not that easy of a jobãIF you also have to control when things start because if someone else is doingãthe talking you sometimes aren't quite sure just when to start the nextãelement. I hated doing that. I prefer to run everything myself so I know howãthe flow will be. One thing I was known for was having a tight board and beingãwell produced.ãã... Old preachers never die, they just ramble on, and on, and on, and on....ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Og> I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music andã Og> commercials) at the my university radio station. That was soã Og> much fun. I never had the guts to host my own show, but thereã Og> were a handful of hosts that just wanted someone to do theã Og> technical part for them. The turntables were awesome and solidã Og> performers.ããEveryone I know who has worked in college radio loved it. I wish my college ãhad a proper station, instead they had an audiocast on their in-house cable ãsystem - as well as a couple of local cable TV stations that anyone could ãsign up for, but they were limited to on-campus viewing.ããCable provided some fun times in the '90s. Cable access regulations required ãthat cable providers to provide air time to local talent. In San Francisco ãViacom cable had a full production set with cameras and some basic sets that ãyou could block time for and do a show to be broadcast on cable.ããA couple of friends of mine had a talk show with a band, local guests and a ã"live studio audience" composed of friends. We'd all go out for dinner and ãdrinks afterwards.ããããããã... It's all more or less the same.. but it's all different now.ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Hello Brian Rogers!ãã** On Saturday 21.08.21 - 10:06, Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg:ãã Og>> I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the musicã Og>> and commercials) at the my university radio station. Thatã Og>> was so much fun. I never had the guts to host my ownã Og>> show, but there were a handful of hosts that just wantedã Og>> someone to do the technical part for them. The turntablesã Og>> were awesome and solid performers.ãã BR> Today they call that function a "producer".ããI always thought a producer was someone who backed a show with ãfinances - much like how that term is used in the film ãindustry. But the term that was on the schedule-board was ã"technician".ããã BR> That's not that easy of a job IF you also have to controlã BR> when things start because if someone else is doing theã BR> talking you sometimes aren't quite sure just when to startã BR> the next element. I hated doing that. I prefer to runã BR> everything myself so I know how the flow will be. Oneã BR> thing I was known for was having a tight board and beingã BR> well produced.ããIt went alright. The university radio station had three ãstudios all "connected" and visible to each other by large ãglass windows. I would be in one studio and the host would be ãin another. The host of the show would either give me a hand ãsignal or they give me the key words to listen to before ãstarting a song or breaking to commercial.ããI really enjoyed cueing the tunes on LPs so that the music or ãthe voice over is just enough before the actual lyrics start.ããThen, sometimes it required prepping a taped announcement (I ãthink they were on 8-track cartridges!)ããTo qualify being part of the radio club, we were put through a ãtest that consisted of a mock solo radio show. I did quite ãalright by "producing" a music-themed trivia show, but I really ãjust prefered to manage the equipment and switches and let ãsomeone else do the talking.ããI volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sunday mornings ãand queue the national anthem. That was a cool job with lots of ãswitches to flip and dials to turn.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Brian Rogers on Mon Aug 30 2021 08:59 pmãã > BR> Today they call that function a "producer".ã >ã > I always thought a producer was someone who backed a show withã > finances - much like how that term is used in the filmã > industry.ããThat's an "executive producer".ã-- ã digital manããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #10:ãBSO = Binkley Style OutboundãNorco, CA WX: 65.8øF, 83.0% humidity, 2 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Hey Ogg;ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Og> I always thought a producer was someone who backed a show withã Og> finances - much like how that term is used in the filmã Og> industry. But the term that was on the schedule-board wasã Og> "technician".ããMuch different meanings! A producer helps coordinate a show, may run the board,ãcoordinate any guests, etc.ãã Og> It went alright. The university radio station had threeã Og> studios all "connected" and visible to each other by largeã Og> glass windows. I would be in one studio and the host would beã Og> in another. The host of the show would either give me a handã Og> signal or they give me the key words to listen to beforeã Og> starting a song or breaking to commercial.ããI could never do a show like that. While I realize it may have been easier forãyou, I'd still have an issue doing that.ãã Og> I really enjoyed cueing the tunes on LPs so that the music orã Og> the voice over is just enough before the actual lyrics start.ããTight board work is always a pleasure and self rewarding.ãã Og> Then, sometimes it required prepping a taped announcement (Iã Og> think they were on 8-track cartridges!)ããThey were either 2 or 3 track CARTs. I have a multitude of carts and decks.ãOne of my older ones is an original Harris Critereon from WLS in Chicago.ãIt came with a tech manual and after reviewing it I made an Eq for the ãplayback cans. Sounds pretty damn good.ãã Og> To qualify being part of the radio club, we were put through aã Og> test that consisted of a mock solo radio show. I did quiteã Og> alright by "producing" a music-themed trivia show, but I reallyã Og> just prefered to manage the equipment and switches and letã Og> someone else do the talking.ããI never minded the announcing. I'm sure it was a pretty simple test to take.ãã Og> I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sunday morningsã Og> and queue the national anthem. That was a cool job with lots ofã Og> switches to flip and dials to turn.ããI bet! When I was in high school still, I was doing a sunday morning showãand then had to run the weekly god squad. It was a 500Watt daytime AM thatãplayed hot A/C... borderline CHR. I'd have to fire up the transmitters andãwait a bit for them to be at spec before turning the switch to the sticks outãin back on. ããThe station had a cat, it was it's mascot of sorts which was cool. Feeding theãcat was part of opening duties. It was a pretty neutral cat, not mean but notãoverly friendly.ãã... My computer keeps answering me back ! (No I don't)ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Brian Rogers!ãã** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 18:33, Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg:ãã Og>> It went alright. The university radio station had threeã Og>> studios all "connected" and visible to each other byã Og>> large glass windows. I would be in one studio and theã Og>> host would be in another. The host of the show wouldã Og>> either give me a hand signal or they give me the keyã Og>> words to listen to before starting a song or breaking toã Og>> commercial.ãã BR> I could never do a show like that. While I realize it mayã BR> have been easier for you, I'd still have an issue doingã BR> that.ããIt wasn't a problem at all. We could always get the attention ãof the other person by sending a message over the headphones. ãIt was like working as a team. I learned how different hosts ãpreferred to work. Techs could select a particuilar show to ãwork on, or a host could try to request a specific person to ãwork with.ãã Og>> To qualify being part of the radio club, we were putã Og>> through a test that consisted of a mock solo radio show.ã Og>> [...]ãã BR> I never minded the announcing. I'm sure it was a prettyã BR> simple test to take.ããIt was fairly simple for the most part. But the tester injected ãrandom "emergencies" or something specific that needed to be ãdone. One random request required me to queue up a specific ãcommercial/announcement which tested my ability to find it in ãthe pile of tapes, and even queue it up in an adjoining studio ãand control it back in my main studio. And.. I had to play it ãwithin a specific time integrating it into the flow and context ãof my own show. I loved the ability to control gear in another ãstudio, but it required specific jumpering to set that up.ãã Og>> I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sundayã Og>> mornings and queue the national anthem. That was a coolã Og>> job with lots of switches to flip and dials to turn.ãã BR> I bet! When I was in high school still, I was doing aã BR> sunday morning show and then had to run the weekly godã BR> squad. It was a 500Watt daytime AM that played hot A/C...ã BR> borderline CHR. I'd have to fire up the transmitters andã BR> wait a bit for them to be at spec before turning theã BR> switch to the sticks out in back on.ããYes.. I think my campus station was on AM at the time too. ãThere was a warm up period to reach spec before flipping some ãmain switches.ãã BR> The station had a cat, it was it's mascot of sorts whichã BR> was cool. Feeding the cat was part of opening duties. Itã BR> was a pretty neutral cat, not mean but not overlyã BR> friendly.ããNo litter box duties?ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello poindexter FORTRAN!ãã** On Monday 23.08.21 - 08:21, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:ãã Og>> I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the musicã Og>> and commercials) at the my university radio station. Thatã Og>> was so much fun. [...]ãã pF> Everyone I know who has worked in college radio loved it.ã pF> I wish my college had a proper station, instead they hadã pF> an audiocast on their in-house cable system - as well as aã pF> couple of local cable TV stations that anyone could signã pF> up for, but they were limited to on-campus viewing.ããOur radio station was AM and FM. Some shows were exclusive to ãonly AM or FM, but others were simulcast. Later, a few years ãafter I had graduated, they transitioned to FM stereo with ãtransmitters located off campus.ããThe campus had wired links to many of the buildings on campus ãso that they could conduct a show from anywhere as the need ãarose. I never learned how that was done.ããThe station info is https://www.cfrc.ca/ ..and is available ãover the internet since 2004.ããã pF> Cable provided some fun times in the '90s. Cable accessã pF> regulations required that cable providers to provide airã pF> time to local talent. In San Francisco Viacom cable had aã pF> full production set with cameras and some basic sets thatã pF> you could block time for and do a show to be broadcast onã pF> cable.ãã pF> A couple of friends of mine had a talk show with a band,ã pF> local guests and a "live studio audience" composed ofã pF> friends. We'd all go out for dinner and drinks afterwards.ããSounds like it was good times for sure.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hey Ogg;ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Og> It wasn't a problem at all. We could always get the attentionã Og> of the other person by sending a message over the headphones.ã Og> It was like working as a team. I learned how different hostsã Og> preferred to work. Techs could select a particuilar show toã Og> work on, or a host could try to request a specific person toã Og> work with.ããThat would have helped but we didn't have that sort of luxury, which was fineãfor me since I liked just doing it all myself. The only ones who were evenãable to have an "engineer" were morning show hosts when I was in the commercialãgame, and you weren't necessarily chosen by the host unless they were the ãprogram director. Now the producer/engineer also seems to be sharing in someãof the announcing duties. You can tell the industry is taking by the wayãthey keep slashing the budgets.ãã Og> It was fairly simple for the most part. But the tester injectedã Og> random "emergencies" or something specific that needed to beã Og> done. One random request required me to queue up a specificã Og> commercial/announcement which tested my ability to find it inã Og> the pile of tapes, and even queue it up in an adjoining studioã Og> and control it back in my main studio. And.. I had to play itã Og> within a specific time integrating it into the flow and contextã Og> of my own show. I loved the ability to control gear in anotherã Og> studio, but it required specific jumpering to set that up.ããThat sounded pretty fair all things considered.ãã Og> Yes.. I think my campus station was on AM at the time too.ã Og> There was a warm up period to reach spec before flipping someã Og> main switches.ããYes! Nothing like waiting for an antiquated Harris transmitter to warm upãbefore throwing the switches on!ãã Og> No litter box duties?ããWhew no thank god! It was at the other end of the building so we wouldn't haveãto share in the ferotious feline aroma!ãã... Is it ok to yell "theater" in a crowded firehouse?ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

09-04-21 21:19 Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers about Turntables and LPsãHowdy! Ogg and Brian,ãã Og> @MSGID: <6134217C.2111.dove-hob@capitolcityonline.net>ã Og> @REPLY: <612EB78C.83.dove-hobby@bbs.n1uro.com>ã Og> Hello Brian Rogers!ãã Og> ** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 18:33, Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg:ãã/SNIP\ãã Og>> I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sundayã Og>> mornings and queue the national anthem. That was a coolã Og>> job with lots of switches to flip and dials to turn.ãã/SNIP\ãã Og> Yes.. I think my campus station was on AM at the time too.ã Og> There was a warm up period to reach spec before flipping someã Og> main switches.ããThose 866 Mercury Vapor Tubes (Valves) needed some time beforeãthrowing High Voltage power at them.ããThen They would look pretty flickering in the Power Supply.ããThe newer 3B28 Tube (iirc) didn't flicker but they lasted longer thanãthe 866'es could.ããI told a friend about seeing the advertisement about the 3B28 and heãput two in his E. F. Johnson Valiant Transmitter and never had toãreplace them. They didn't fail like the 866'es did.ããDid You need a Commercial Radio License to operate the transmitter?ãã73 de Ed W9ODR dit ditããã... I have a mind like a steel ...uh...er...whatchamacallit!ã--- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Ed;ãã-=> Ed Vance wrote to Ogg <=-ãã EV> 09-04-21 21:19 Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers about Turntables and LPsã EV> Howdy! Ogg and Brian,ãã*snip*ãã EV> Did You need a Commercial Radio License to operate the transmitter?ããWhen I was first in the industry yes. Later on a permit for the newbies wasãthe only thing they needed and testing was not required. Personally speaking,ãI think the CRL was better than the PC3. Testing does something that makesãpeople appreciate what they have more and their knowledge of what they'reãdoing (operating a transmitter) is improved. In the mid/late 80s when soãmany post 70's jocks were tx operators just logged readings and had no ideaãwhat they were really knowing what they were doing when an issue did appear.ãSome of them were simple to fix, others not so easy.ãã... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.49ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Ed Vance!ãã** On Tuesday 07.09.21 - 10:57, Ed Vance wrote to Ogg:ãã EV> Did You need a Commercial Radio License to operate the transmitter?ããI would imagine that was the case.ããThe history of CFRC here:ããhttps://archives.queensu.ca/exhibits/cfrcããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Ed Vance on Sat Sep 11 2021 10:18 pmããA while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laser turntable:ãhttps://www.elpj.comããIt's a record player that uses a laser (rather than a stylus) to read the grooves on the disc. The advantage would be that since it doesn't make physical contact with the record, it won't wear out the record. Also, they say the sound should be really good since there shouldn't be any hiss from a stylus sliding across the record surface. Also, I think this turntable would be a good candidate to be used for digitizing records.ããI've been curious to try one, but they're so expensive. They cost at least $10,000 (which seems a bit ridiculous to me).. Also, I've read some reviews saying the sound isn't as good as you might think, and that the laser will also pick up dust and translate it to audio, which isn't really a good thing; so the record would need to be very clean before being played in this player.ããIf I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I might be tempted to buy one and get into collecting records.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to All on Tue Sep 14 2021 09:05 amãã > If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I might be tempted toã > buy one and get into collecting records.ããI still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones, but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better" than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of the album art on those beautiful 12" sleeves. It is a hobby though and more power to you! If you find out how those laser record players work/sound, be sure to let us know. :-)ã-- ã digital manããThis Is Spinal Tap quote #43:ãI feel my role in the band is ... kind of like lukewarm water.ãNorco, CA WX: 86.4øF, 21.0% humidity, 7 mph NNE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Sep 14 2021 12:50 pmãã DM> I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones, but Iã DM> really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better" than CDs orã DM> FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of the album art onããYeah, I don't really think records sound better either.. I've also heard that due to the limited amount of space available on a vinyl album, some vinyl versions of songs are shorter than the version available for CD & other formats.ããAnother thing I heeard not too long ago, that I didn't really think much about before, is that the inner grooves of a record isn't as able to reproduce high frequencies as well as the outer grooves. Since records turn at a constant speed, there's less and less area as the groove gets toward the center, which means less surface available to record audio information.ãã DM> those beautiful 12" sleeves. It is a hobby though and more power to you!ã DM> If you find out how those laser record players work/sound, be sure to letã DM> us know. :-)ããI doubt I'll find out any time soon, due to those laser turn tables being so expensive. I've never actually seen any place selling them in my area either.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to All on Tue Sep 14 2021 09:05:19ããIt would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.ããBut in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)ããA good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)ããã8-)ãããã > Re: Turntables and LPsã > By: Ogg to Ed Vance on Sat Sep 11 2021 10:18 pmã >ã > A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laser turntable: https://www.elpj.comã >ã > It's a record player that uses a laser (rather than a stylus) to read the grooves on the disc. Theã > advantage would be that since it doesn't make physical contact with the record, it won't wear out theã > record. Also, they say the sound should be really good since there shouldn't be any hiss from a stylusã > sliding across the record surface. Also, I think this turntable would be a good candidate to be used forã > digitizing records.ã >ã > I've been curious to try one, but they're so expensive. They cost at least $10,000 (which seems a bitã > ridiculous to me).. Also, I've read some reviews saying the sound isn't as good as you might think, andã > that the laser will also pick up dust and translate it to audio, which isn't really a good thing; so theã > record would need to be very clean before being played in this player.ã >ã > If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I might be tempted to buy one and get into collectingã > records.ã >ã > NightfoxããRegards..GeoãooooOOOOooooãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dungeon BBS - Risen from the Ashes! - Canberra, Australia. http://bbs.barnabã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Sep 14 2021 01:06 pmãã > Re: Turntables and LPsã > By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Sep 14 2021 12:50 pmã >ã > DM> I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones,ã > DM> but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better"ã > DM> than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of theã > DM> album art onã >ããi think records sound more 'earthy' and just better.ããbut you guys like rush. ew.ããguess you can hear that guy's elf voice better with your digital recordings.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Hey Digital Man;ãã-=> Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã DM> I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones,ã DM> but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better"ã DM> than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of theã DM> album art on those beautiful 12" sleeves. It is a hobby though and moreã DM> power to you! If you find out how those laser record playersã DM> work/sound, be sure to let us know. :-) --ããI've found over the years that almost everything involved with a conventionalãrecord can affect the sound quality - or lack there of. A belt driven tableãvs magnetic for example can add a lot more table rumble through the tone arm. ãThen you have stylus and cartridge... both of which lose tone with age.ããLast but not least, the quality of the preamp which is the final link in theãaudio chain. A better preamp typically will have better audio. Most peopleãdon't put any thought into the preamp especially since the typical consumerãbuys a unit with one built in and assumes it'll produce decent sound. An ãexample of a very poor unit with a low-end preamp would be a "close-n-play"ãas I show my age lol, and a step above that would be almost any averageãconsumer grade disk "changer" unit. Most of those units also had a rubberãwheel type gear that spun the platter and often the most noisiest.ãã... Blood is too precious a commodity.-Bram Stoker's Draculaã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Nightfox!ãã** On Tuesday 14.09.21 - 13:06, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man:ããã N> Another thing I heeard not too long ago, that I didn'tã N> really think much about before, is that the inner groovesã N> of a record isn't as able to reproduce high frequencies asã N> well as the outer grooves. Since records turn at aã N> constant speed, there's less and less area as the grooveã N> gets toward the center, which means less surface availableã N> to record audio information.ããI've never heard of that. I've heard a lot of issues about ãrecordings from audiophiles and some audio engineers, but not ãthe thing about high-frequencies vs area wrt to inner grooves.ããVinyl (on a prestine system) has always sounded better for me ãcompared to the early CDs pressings that came out in the 80s.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Geo!ãã** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 10:12, Geo wrote to Nightfox:ãã >> A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laserã >> turntable: https://www.elpj.comãã G> It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosityã G> standpoint. But in reality it kinda missed the point ofã G> Vinyl 8-)ããThe elpj site claims that their laser solution produces ã"analog" output. My browser (FF on XP) doesn't render all the ãpages on that site - but the How It Works would be interesting ãif I could read it.ããã G> A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)ããI concur. A good quality vinyl on a fine system (decent needle ãand cartridge) is a pleasure to witness.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Nightfox!ãã** On Tuesday 14.09.21 - 09:05, Nightfox wrote to All:ãã N> A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laserã N> turntable: https://www.elpj.comãã N> It's a record player that uses a laser (rather than aã N> stylus) to read the grooves on the disc. The advantageã N> would be that since it doesn't make physical contact withã N> the record, it won't wear out the record. [...]ããThanks for sharing that. The idea of using a laser to read the ãgrooves of vinyl records sounds like one of those "why didn't I ãthink of that" moments.ããThe site seems to be thrown together (using a basic Wordpress ãtheme) and hasn't been cleaned up properly. How long has this ãlaser turntable been around? I had no idea that this was ãgetting explored back in the 80s. "The first working model, ãthe Finial LT-1 (Laser Turntable-1), was completed in time for ãthe 1986 CES. The prototype revealed an interesting flaw of ãlaser turntables: they are so accurate that they play every ãparticle of dirt and dust on the record, instead of pushing ãthem aside as a conventional stylus would." [https:// ãen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable]ããIt is interesting to read that the specs indicate "black vinyl" ãonly. I guess that leaves out the fancy LPs in alternate ãcolours - for now.ãã N> Also, they say the sound should be really good since thereã N> shouldn't be any hiss from a stylus sliding across theã N> record surface. Also, I think this turntable would be aã N> good candidate to be used for digitizing records.ããI was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few ãyears ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemed ãmoot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of time ãto handle every record manually, and adding all the meta data / ãtags labelling on all the recordings properly, plus the cost of ãadditional storage, plus a decent backup regiment.ãã N> I've been curious to try one, but they're so expensive.ã N> They cost at least $10,000 (which seems a bit ridiculous toã N> me)..ããThey may be made available at audio shows or at certain hi-fi ãshops, soon.ãã N> Also, I've read some reviews saying the sound isn'tã N> as good as you might think, and that the laser will alsoã N> pick up dust and translate it to audio, which isn't reallyã N> a good thing; so the record would need to be very cleanã N> before being played in this player.ããThe 1st generation CD players did a horrible job with CDs when ãthey first came out.ãã N> If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, Iã N> might be tempted to buy one and get into collectingã N> records.ããNo need to buy the laser turntable just yet. Audition one if/ ãwhen you get a chance. The cost of LPs is crazy at $20+ããFurther into the wiki article above: "A similar technology is ãto scan or photograph the grooves of the record, and then ãreconstruct the sound from the modulation of the groove ãrevealed by the image." ..now THAT sounds like an interesting ã(obvious) approach too.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Sep 15 2021 12:20 amãã > I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a fewã > years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemedã > moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of timeã > to handle every record manually, and adding all the meta data /ã > tags labelling on all the recordings properly, plus the cost ofã > additional storage, plus a decent backup regiment.ã > ããI don't think a streaming subscription is a substitute of having your own copy. My father used to brag ofãsome films he had available at Amazon Prime for so cheap, until they took those down of the platform.ããI have taken the time to digitize my VHS or otherwise obtain quality digital copies of my multimediaãbecause of that reason. You cannot count things to be available on the Internet forever, even in theãPirate underdarks.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Sep 15 2021 12:20 amãã Og> theme) and hasn't been cleaned up properly. How long has this ã Og> laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this was ã Og> getting explored back in the 80s. "The first working model, ããI don't know how long this has been around. I think I first came across that laser turntable maybe 8 years ago.. Interesting if it was being explored in the 80s. I'd think the price would be less than it is if that were the case.ãã Og> It is interesting to read that the specs indicate "black vinyl" ã Og> only. I guess that leaves out the fancy LPs in alternate ã Og> colours - for now.ããYeah, I guess that's not too surprising..ãã Og> I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few ã Og> years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemed ã Og> moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of time ã Og> to handle every record manually, and adding all the meta data / ã Og> tags labelling on all the recordings properly, plus the cost of ã Og> additional storage, plus a decent backup regiment.ããThe advantage is it's your own copy of the music. I don't like to rely on streaming services all the time.. Also, storage is cheap. I'd probably prefer to have a CD version though. I ripped my whole CD collection in 2009, and I sometimes still buy music on CD and rip it on my PC.ãã Og> The 1st generation CD players did a horrible job with CDs when ã Og> they first came out.ããI imagine that may be why some people think vinyl sounds better.ãã Og> No need to buy the laser turntable just yet. Audition one if/ ã Og> when you get a chance. The cost of LPs is crazy at $20+ããI'm not sure where I'd be able to borrow one. I haven't seen any in my area.ãã Og> Further into the wiki article above: "A similar technology is ã Og> to scan or photograph the grooves of the record, and then ã Og> reconstruct the sound from the modulation of the groove ã Og> revealed by the image." ..now THAT sounds like an interesting ã Og> (obvious) approach too.ããI've heard of that being done too. I think it would be interesting to have a music collection in the form of photos (as PNGs or JPGs) rather than audio files. I wonder if you could even save some drive space that way.. I wonder if a photo of a vinyl album would be smaller than individual FLAC or MP3 files for the same album.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Geo to Nightfox on Wed Sep 15 2021 10:12 amãã Ge> It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.ãã Ge> But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)ããHow does the laser turntable miss the point of vinyl?ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Hello Geo;ãã-=> Geo wrote to Nightfox <=-ãã Ge> It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.ã Ge> But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)ã Ge> A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)ããI run mine through not one but 2 limiter/compressors and they sound *very* ãclean... as long as the platter isn't warped <G>ãã... Real SysOps have a clock card.ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Geo on Tue Sep 14 2021 23:41:00ããHi Oggããã >ã > G> A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)ã >ã > I concur. A good quality vinyl on a fine system (decent needleã > and cartridge) is a pleasure to witness.ããYeah, my Band just recieved the test pressings for our new albumn, so can't get much fresher vinyl than that 8-)ããThey sound great.8-)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dungeon BBS - Risen from the Ashes! - Canberra, Australia. http://bbs.barnabã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to Geo on Wed Sep 15 2021 09:01:56ããHi Nightfox,ãã > Ge> It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.ã >ã > Ge> But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)ã >ã > How does the laser turntable miss the point of vinyl?ã >ã > Nightfoxã >ããI simply meant that these days its about experiencing the vinyl along with any imperfections. Like we did many years ago.ããIf one wants pristine, there is always streaming or CD.ããOne major benefit though of Laser I guess is NO more wear on the LP's. 8-)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dungeon BBS - Risen from the Ashes! - Canberra, Australia. http://bbs.barnabã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Nightfox on Tue Sep 14 2021 23:35:00ããHi,ãã >ã > N> Another thing I heeard not too long ago, that I didn'tã > N> really think much about before, is that the inner groovesã > N> of a record isn't as able to reproduce high frequencies asã > N> well as the outer grooves. Since records turn at aã > N> constant speed, there's less and less area as the grooveã > N> gets toward the center, which means less surface availableã > N> to record audio information.ã >ã > I've never heard of that. I've heard a lot of issues aboutã > recordings from audiophiles and some audio engineers, but notã > the thing about high-frequencies vs area wrt to inner grooves.ã >ãThis can be overcome by proper tracking adjustment with a good protractor 8-)ããã > Vinyl (on a prestine system) has always sounded better for meã > compared to the early CDs pressings that came out in the 80s.ããDeffinitly. 8-)ããI guess it just different not necessarily better. Its all in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dungeon BBS - Risen from the Ashes! - Canberra, Australia. http://bbs.barnabã

Hello Nightfox!ãã** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 08:33, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:ãã Og>> laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this wasã Og>> getting explored back in the 80s.[...]ãã N> I don't know how long this has been around. I think Iã N> first came across that laser turntable maybe 8 years ago..ã N> Interesting if it was being explored in the 80s. I'd thinkã N> the price would be less than it is if that were the case.ããAccording to the article the first models were about $35K. ãNow, they are $10K; that's a pretty good reduction! LOLãã Og>> I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a fewã Og>> years ago, but when Spotify came along, [...]ãã N> The advantage is it's your own copy of the music. I don'tã N> like to rely on streaming services all the time..ããSpotify offers a download option. Then, it's not required to ãrely on an internet connection at all.ããWhat's the point of recording and filing the tracks of an LP ãwhen I can get exactly the same thing from Spotify in download ãmode?ããã N> Also, storage is cheap. I'd probably prefer to have a CDã N> version though. I ripped my whole CD collection in 2009,ã N> and I sometimes still buy music on CD and rip it on my PC.ããStorage is indeed cheap. I'll still seek out an occassional ãactual CD too.ããã Og>> The 1st generation CD players did a horrible job with CDsã Og>> when they first came out.ãã N> I imagine that may be why some people think vinyl soundsã N> better.ããThat's part of it. The early products had a two-fold problem: ãthe DACs in earlier models were poor, and the mastering of CDs ãwas not well done.ããThis article is a good read and explains some issues that even ãpersist to this day:ããhttp://www.audiodrom.net/en/as-we-see-it-tips-thoughts/65-road-ãto-hellããã Og>> No need to buy the laser turntable just yet. Audition oneã Og>> if/when you get a chance. The cost of LPs is crazy atã Og>> $20+ãã N> I'm not sure where I'd be able to borrow one. I haven'tã N> seen any in my area.ããNot borrow. I mean, go to a facility or audio shop that has ãdemo rooms. But even at $10K per player, I doubt that any ãindependent shop would bother to get one.ããã Og>> Further into the wiki article above: "A similar technology isã Og>> to scan or photograph the grooves of the record, and thenã Og>> reconstruct the sound [...]ãã N> I've heard of that being done too. I think it would beã N> interesting to have a music collection in the form ofã N> photos (as PNGs or JPGs) rather than audio files. I wonderã N> if you could even save some drive space that way.. Iã N> wonder if a photo of a vinyl album would be smaller thanã N> individual FLAC or MP3 files for the same album.ããI wonder about the data-sizes with the photo approach too.ããThe key here is to extract the data established by the vinyl ãgrooves and store it in digital format for repeat listens. But ãthe designers of those players aren't thinking of that for the ãplayer; they are wanting to replicate the real-time play of the ãvinyl, at each and every play.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Arelor!ãã** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 09:04, Arelor wrote to Ogg:ãã >> I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a fewã >> years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemedã >> moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of timeãã A> I don't think a streaming subscription is a substitute ofã A> having your own copy. My father used to brag of some filmsã A> he had available at Amazon Prime for so cheap, until theyã A> took those down of the platform.ããBut my point is that I *do* have my own originals. It just ãdoesn't make sense to go through the time and effort to make ãcopies when I can get them from Spotify.ããShould the day arrive when a certain recording would nolonger ãbe available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I could dig out ãmy original and make a copy of that.ããIt just doesn't make sense to digitize a 1100 LP collection ãwhen the digitization of the mast majority of it is already ãdone by someone else.ããã A> I have taken the time to digitize my VHS or otherwiseã A> obtain quality digital copies of my multimedia because ofã A> that reason. You cannot count things to be available on theã A> Internet forever, even in the Pirate underdarks.ããMakes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have a ãDVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS player so ãthat I could record the content of the VHS onto the HDD and ãthen burn the file to DVD. But some commercial VHS movie tapes ãoutput a scramble signal and can't be copied that way.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Sep 15 2021 11:31 pmãã Og>>> laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this wasã Og>>> getting explored back in the 80s.[...]ãã Og> According to the article the first models were about $35K. ã Og> Now, they are $10K; that's a pretty good reduction! LOLããThat's a good deal then.. :Pãã Og> What's the point of recording and filing the tracks of an LP ã Og> when I can get exactly the same thing from Spotify in download ã Og> mode?ããI sometimes forget the streaming apps offer a download option. But can you play the downloaded file with any music player app, or can you only use Spotify to play the downloaded file? I somehow doubt they'd just let people freely download music files to be shared and played with any software.. I'd imagine there may be some DRM involved, or locking the file so it can't be played with anything else.ãã N>> I imagine that may be why some people think vinyl soundsã N>> better.ãã Og> That's part of it. The early products had a two-fold problem: ã Og> the DACs in earlier models were poor, and the mastering of CDs ã Og> was not well done.ããAnd over the years, record studios have released remastered CDs of many albums. I tend to replace my old copies with remasters, but honestly I usually can't tell much difference in the sound.ããI read an article a while ago saying that with the repeated remasters over the years, one thing they've tended to do is increase the volume, which has the negative effect of reducing the sound quality. Volume increases on remasters is something I haven't really noticed much, but probably because I haven't paid much attention..ãã Og> This article is a good read and explains some issues that even ã Og> persist to this day:ãã Og> http://www.audiodrom.net/en/as-we-see-it-tips-thoughts/65-road-ã Og> to-hellããThat's interesting.. And as I've occasionally digitized a few of my cassette tapes (they were music unavailable on CD as well as some personal recordings), I find that kind of thing interesting.ãã N>> I've heard of that being done too. I think it would beã N>> interesting to have a music collection in the form ofã N>> photos (as PNGs or JPGs) rather than audio files. I wonderã N>> if you could even save some drive space that way.. Iã N>> wonder if a photo of a vinyl album would be smaller thanã N>> individual FLAC or MP3 files for the same album.ãã Og> I wonder about the data-sizes with the photo approach too.ãã Og> The key here is to extract the data established by the vinyl ã Og> grooves and store it in digital format for repeat listens. But ã Og> the designers of those players aren't thinking of that for the ã Og> player; they are wanting to replicate the real-time play of the ã Og> vinyl, at each and every play.ããIf you extract the data from the photos and save them, you're back at having a collection of MP3 and/or FLAC audio files (or perhaps some other audio format).ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Sep 15 2021 11:58 pmãã Og> Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have a ã Og> DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS player so ã Og> that I could record the content of the VHS onto the HDD and ã Og> then burn the file to DVD. But some commercial VHS movie tapes ã Og> output a scramble signal and can't be copied that way.ããIf replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do a process so that the image takes advantage of the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the VHS tape.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Brian Rogers to Digital Man on Wed Sep 15 2021 12:47 amãã > Last but not least, the quality of the preamp which is the final link in theã > audio chain. A better preamp typically will have better audio.ããI don't disagree about the preamp, but the actual "final link" in the audio chain is your eardrums. And mine haven't aged well. Decades of playing drums in loud rock bands and shooting big guns, sometimes without hearing protection, has had its toll. But I can still hear the difference between good and high fidelity, just not nearly as pronounced as when I was much younger.ããOh, and just before your eardrums comes the speakers. :-)ã-- ã digital manããSynchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #79:ãSysop = System OperatorãNorco, CA WX: 76.4øF, 52.0% humidity, 1 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrsã---ã þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.netã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to Ogg on Thu Sep 16 2021 09:32 amãã > Re: Turntables and LPsã > By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Sep 15 2021 11:58 pmã > ã > Og> Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have aã > Og> DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS player soã > Og> that I could record the content of the VHS onto the HDD andã > Og> then burn the file to DVD. But some commercial VHS movie tapesã > Og> output a scramble signal and can't be copied that way.ã > ã > If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs or blu-raã > if available. They usually do a process so that the image takes advantage oã > the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you'rã > still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the VHS tape.ã > ã > Nightfoxã > ããI agree that getting a recent digital copy that has been properly transefer isãoptimal, but from my end, I encounter two issues:ãã1) I am not buying a film I already own, even if for upgrading from a format toãanother.ãã2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including deleted scenes that wereãexcluded from the original for a good reason.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Hello Digital Man!ãã** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 12:57, Digital Man wrote to Brian Rogers:ãã DM> I don't disagree about the preamp, but the actual "final link" in theã DM> audio chain is your eardrums. And mine haven't aged well. [...]ãã DM> Oh, and just before your eardrums comes the speakers. :-)ããAnd oh, guess what? Our brains process the sound digitally! ã..you know, neurons firing, brain interpreting a sound, etc.ãããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Digital Man;ãã-=> Digital Man wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã DM> I don't disagree about the preamp, but the actual "final link" in theã DM> audio chain is your eardrums. And mine haven't aged well. Decades ofã DM> playing drums in loud rock bands and shooting big guns, sometimesã DM> without hearing protection, has had its toll. But I can still hear theã DM> difference between good and high fidelity, just not nearly asã DM> pronounced as when I was much younger.ããAhhh quite true that. I'm surprised mine have held up for as good as theyãhave although there are others who would argue the fact. I've always enjoyedãmusic I can feel not just hear. I've been somewhat lucky in that regard Iãguess. Just not lucky in every other area of aging!ãã DM> Oh, and just before your eardrums comes the speakers. :-)ããI used to have a set of Peavy SP-3s... they had a light inside of them onãthe horn to help absorb some of the clipping. To me that was almost like havingãinternal strobe lights. I did end up getting a set of RatShack Mach I (theãoriginal Mach Is) at a decent price. One of the ultimate in speakers one couldãget. Talk about an insane frequency response!ãã... SGD: Spin and Granulate Disksã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Hello Arelor!ãã** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 14:56, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:ãã >> If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buyã >> the DVDs or blu-ra if available. They usually do a processã >> so that the image takes advantage o the mediums' higherã >> resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you'rã >> still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from theã >> VHS tape.ãã A> I agree that getting a recent digital copy that has beenã A> properly transefer is optimal, but from my end, I encounterã A> two issues:ãã A> 1) I am not buying a film I already own, even if forã A> upgrading from a format to another.ããAnd.. sometimes there is a modest feeling of satisfaction of ãhaving made your own transfer/copy in your own time using your ãown resources.ããI did something similar with a Kate Bush VHS not long ago. ãApparently, the DVD version was next to non-existent. So, it ãwas rather interesting to build separate recordings of each ãsong (they're still on the HDD DVR machine) and now be able to ãwatch anyone at any time instead of end-to-end on VHS. ãMeanwhile, I could produce a DVD where I could pick any video ãselectively.ããThe max 480i from the VHS source doesn't bother me, considering ãthat I didn't have to spend extra $s for my own DVD version.ããã A> 2) Many times, they botch the transfers by includingã A> deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for aã A> good reason.ãããYou mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old ãVHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes" ãas a special feature which could be ignored.ããã--ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Nightfox!ãã** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 09:32, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:ãã Og>> Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I haveã Og>> a DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHSã Og>> player [...]ãã N> If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buyã N> the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do aã N> process so that the image takes advantage of the mediums'ã N> higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., thenã N> you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality imageã N> from the VHS tape.ããIf I happen to come across a shrinkwrapped $5 DVD version of a ãfilm that I may still have on VHS, then maybe I'll buy it. But ãI wouldn't spend $20+ on a DVD version.ããI can count the VHS movies that I own on two hands. And, I'm in ãno hurry with more conversions. If I'm in a mood to watch one ãof those VHS movies since having acquired the DVR HDD machine, ãI'll start the recording process and watch the HDD version. ãAnd if I need to recover space on the HDD, I'll burn the film ãto DVD.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Geo!ãã** On Thursday 16.09.21 - 09:47, Geo wrote to Ogg:ãã G> I guess it just different not necessarily better. Its allã G> in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)ããOMG, is it ever!ããIt may not be easy to know who was the mastering engineer of a ãrecording especially all we do is get material from a stream ãthese days, but who did the mastering could be all the ãdifference in quality.ããI'm the owner of a few thousand CDs since the advent of the CD ãplayer. In time I discovered a common denominator among the ãbest sounding CDs - the best are mastered by Bob Clearmountain ãor Bob Ludwig, or Bernie Grundman. This information was easily ãnoted on physical CDs but not so much now from streaming ãsources. That's sad because anything by those guys no matter ãwhat the genre - was/is great music.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Ogg to Geo on Fri Sep 17 2021 21:51:00ããHi Oggãã > I'm the owner of a few thousand CDs since the advent of the CDã > player. In time I discovered a common denominator among theã > best sounding CDs - the best are mastered by Bob Clearmountainã > or Bob Ludwig, or Bernie Grundman. This information was easilyã > noted on physical CDs but not so much now from streamingã > sources. That's sad because anything by those guys no matterã > what the genre - was/is great music.ããThats where Tidal has been ahead of the Game, They make a concerted effort to include as much Meta Data as they can get with their streams.ãã8-)ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Dungeon BBS - Risen from the Ashes! - Canberra, Australia. http://bbs.barnabã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:31 pmãã > A> 2) Many times, they botch the transfers by includingã > A> deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for aã > A> good reason.ã > ã > ã > You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of oldã > VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"ã > as a special feature which could be ignored.ã > ããYes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.ããThsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish voice actors are noãlonger available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by different voice actorsãthan the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Hello Ogg;ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Geo <=-ãã G> I guess it just different not necessarily better. Its allã G> in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)ãã Og> OMG, is it ever!ãã[snip]ããOne also must take into consideration the tuning of the various insturmentsãused by the individual band members of a group. Nigel Olson has a specificãsound to his drums say than does Neal Pert...and so on. ãã... Odo, is there any more Jell-O in the fridge? Odo?? Odo??!!ã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

Re: If replacing VHS copies..ã By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 amãã > Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã > By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:31 pmã > ã > > A> 2) Many times, they botch the transfers by includingã > > A> deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for aã > > A> good reason.ã > >ã > >ã > > You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of oldã > > VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"ã > > as a special feature which could be ignored.ã > >ã > ã > Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenesã > ã > Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish vã > longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by ã > than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.ã > ã > --ã > gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenã > ããIn the cases I've run into films with cut footage edited back in, they DVD orãBlu Ray allows you to view either version unless it is specifically sold as aãdirectors or editors cut.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.netã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 amãã Ar> Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the addedã Ar> scenes. ããI've found that often times, a DVD (or blu-ray) movie offers you a choice to watch the theatrical release or the extended release(s). Sometimes both versions are on the same disc and there's a menu option, and other times, there are multiple discs with the different versions of the movie. And other times, the deleted scenes are a special feature rather than being added back into the movie.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 amãã > Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the addedã > scenes.ã >ã > Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanishã > voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additionalã > scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie andã > it sucks sucks sucks.ã >ããthey always mess with the releases. i've seen a movie and then seen it later on dvd and it's missing a scene or it has added scenes. i havent seen it in a while, but it happens. when i've seen it, i have no idea why they do it. it doesnt contribute anything.ã---ã þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::ã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 10:58 pmãã > Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã > By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 amã > ã > > Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the addedã > > scenes.ã > ã > > Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanisã > > voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additionaã > > scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie anã > > it sucks sucks sucks.ã > ã > ã > they always mess with the releases. i've seen a movie and then seen it lateã > on dvd and it's missing a scene or it has added scenes. i havent seen it inã > while, but it happens. when i've seen it, i have no idea why they do it. itã > doesnt contribute anything.ããI hate it the most when they mess with the dubbing.ããThe Robin Hood film by Kevin Costner is one of my childhood movies. I watchedãit so often when I was a kid than the dialogues are fireburnt in my brain. Iãhave the movie recorded on a VHS from TV.ããMy mother got me the DVD many years later. The movie is the same, but theyãremade ALL of the Spanish dubbing. Most of the dubbers are actually the sameãvoice actors, but the small infections in the voice are not identical.ãEverytime I watch the DVD it grinds my brain into thin paste because the voicesãfrom the DVD do not match the voices my mind remembers.ããWhy, oh, why?!ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Hello Arelor!ãã** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 11:33, Arelor wrote to Ogg:ãã >> You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]ãã A> Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skipã A> the added scenes.ããHaving no option sounds brutal.ããã A> Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because oftenã A> times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available forã A> the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed byã A> different voice actors than the rest of the movie and itã A> sucks sucks sucks.ããDo you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? I thought that ãyour command of the English language was pretty good - or, does ãthat just apply to the written English?ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 2021 12:27 amãã > Hello Arelor!ã > ã > ** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 11:33, Arelor wrote to Ogg:ã > ã > >> You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]ã > ã > A> Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skipã > A> the added scenes.ã > ã > Having no option sounds brutal.ã > ã > ã > A> Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because oftenã > A> times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available forã > A> the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed byã > A> different voice actors than the rest of the movie and itã > A> sucks sucks sucks.ã > ã > Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? I thought thatã > your command of the English language was pretty good - or, doesã > that just apply to the written English?ããI often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:ããI often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need to watch it inãSpanish, so watching it in English is not an option.ããSome DVDs (not many, but some) come with only an audio track, so you cannotãselect language.ããMany times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original voices and it sucks toãditch it out in order to have a consistent experience.ããThen there are Australian films and the like, which are not in English, noãmatter the falsehoods they spread. Australian is to English what Mexican is toãSpanish!ããã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 05:47 pmãã > I've found that often times, a DVD (or blu-ray) movie offers you a choice toã > watch the theatrical release or the extended release(s). Sometimes bothã > versions are on the same disc and there's a menu option, and other times,ã > there are multiple discs with the different versions of the movie. Andã > other times, the deleted scenes are a special feature rather than beingã > added back into the movie.ããMy wife loves F.R.I.E.N.D.S. We have the series on DVD, they cut out so much on the streaming "TV" versions. The DVD versions have a lot of cut jokes.ããThat being said it's easier for us to watch on streaming and so we still do inspite of that.ãã---TLMãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Nite Eyes BBS - To make people happy about my tagline everywhere...ã

Hello Arelor!ãã** On Monday 20.09.21 - 03:48, Arelor wrote to Ogg:ãã >> Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? [...]ãã A> I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:ãã A> I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those needã A> to watch it in Spanish, so watching it in English is not anã A> option.ããAh.. thought so. Having brandy during a film is more fun with ãfriends.ããã A> Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to originalã A> voices [...]ããNow *that* I did not expect to hear.ããã A> Then there are Australian films and the like, which are notã A> in English, no matter the falsehoods they spread.ã A> Australian is to English what Mexican is to Spanish!ããLOL. Ozzie english is rather quaint. Specific lingo might be ãtricky to follow, but the accent doesn't trouble me.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

OGG wrote to ARELOR <=-ãã OG> But my point is that I *do* have my own originals. It justã OG> doesn't make sense to go through the time and effort to makeã OG> copies when I can get them from Spotify.ãã OG> Should the day arrive when a certain recording would nolongerã OG> be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I could dig outã OG> my original and make a copy of that.ããStatler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that wasãa single release) is available everywhere, but the album? Nope!ããSide A is something you can put on and close your eyes and you'reãTHERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it transferred ãover... :-)ããããã... He who dies with the most TAGLINES wins!ã--- MultiMail/Mac v0.52ã þ wcQWK 8.0 ÷ Omicron Theta * Horn Lake, MS * winserver.orgã

Re: If replacing VHS copies...ã By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Sep 20 2021 08:38 pmãã > A> Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to originalã > A> voices [...]ã > ã > Now *that* I did not expect to hear.ããDubbing is one of the few things we Spaniards do well. The other things we doãwell are making Gazpacho, taking naps and crashing Spain into the ground.ããDub actors in here receive a lot of international recognizion and acclaim. Theyãare so good when compared to regular Spanish actors (the ones who make movies)ãthat there are cases in which we get the Spanish actor voiced over by anãSpanish voice actor. Because the voice actor is great and the regular actor isãa sucker who is on the screen because of some political dealing, usually.ãã--ãgopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalkenãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FLã

Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-ãã Ni> If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs orã Ni> blu-rays if available. They usually do a process so that the imageã Ni> takes advantage of the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHSã Ni> onto DVD etc., then you're still really only getting a 480p(?) qualityã Ni> image from the VHS tape.ããI find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in 480p, ãthey're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some color correction ãin the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are apparently getting remastered, ãand the widescreen shots look pretty good.ããWhat I didn't like was having re-mastered graphics in ST:TOS while keeping ãthe original low-res film shots. It would have been an amusing easter egg to ãsee them retcon the U.S.S. Constellation's number in the remake (the ãoriginal Constellation was NCC-1017 because they kit-bashed a storebought ãEnterprise kit and re-arranged NCC-1701...)ã... See you on the other side.ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-ããã Ar> I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:ãã Ar> I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need to watch itã Ar> in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an option.ãããOne of my favorite movies is "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" starring David ãBowie, Tom Conti and Ryuichi Sakamoto. It's been out of print for years, so ãI set up an eBay search for it.ããI finally found it - as "Feliz Navidad, Senor Lawrence". Cheap. It was the ãcorrect region, so I bought it. Put it in my computer to rip it and read up ãon foreign language versus alternate language subtitles. DIalog is in ãEnglish, and subtitles are in Spanish.ããThere's a lot of Japanese dialog that drives the story, so watching it and ãtrying to translate Spanish subtitles of Japanese dialog was quite a mental ãchore.ãããã... Listen in total darkness, very quietlyã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 2021 08:00 amãã PF> I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in 480p, ã PF> they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some color correctionã PF> in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are apparently getting remastered, ã PF> and the widescreen shots look pretty good.ããStar Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the image in 4:3 format rather than making it widescreen - They didn't shoot the series in a way that would allow them to make it widescreen. If they expanded the scans of the shot, you'd see camera/audio equipment or the edges of the sets, etc. that you aren't supposed to see. And cropping the image to produce a widescreen image isn't ideal either, since you'd be losing part of the image.ããHowever, they have not remastered DS9. I've read that one reason is because DS9 was apparently shot on videotape, which doesn't lend itself well to a remaster (whereas TNG was shot on 35mm film, making TNG a better candidate for a remaster). Also, apparently DS9 used computerized special effects more often than TNG, and the 3D models & such used for the special effects are difficult or impossible to find (they may have been lost). The special effects were rendered at basically 480p resolution, so to remaster it, they'd have to re-create the special effects from scratch and re-render them in high definition. Also, unfortunately the TNG remaster has apparently not sold well enough for them to consider doing the job to remaster DS9 properly.ããSince TNG was filmed on 35mm film, they were able to gather all the 35mm film negatives and re-scan them in high definition before adjusting the color & picture, etc.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 23 2021 13:47:04ãã PF>> I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast inã PF>> 480p, they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do someã PF>> color correction in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 areã PF>> apparently getting remastered, and the widescreen shots look prettyã PF>> good. ã Ni> Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire showã Ni> was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the image in 4:3ããWhat does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????ã-+-ããLupine Furmenã-Dallas Vinsonã Furmens Folly (FIDO 1:123/257) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23ã SSH: furmenservices.net:23222ã Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232ã Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322ãããDallasãã... Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Furmen's Folly - furmenservices.net:23ã

Hello Lupine Furmen!ãã** On Thursday 23.09.21 - 17:50, Lupine Furmen wrote to Nightfox:ãã PF>>> I find it interesting that with some TV shows that [...]ãã Ni>> Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and [...]ãã LF> What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????ã LF> -+-ããSometimes we forget to adjust the Subj when the convo veers on ãa new course. /ããI try to do my best:ãã https://susepaste.org/54263146ãããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Re: Re: Turntables and LPsã By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 2021 05:50 pmãã Ni>> Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entireã Ni>> show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept theã Ni>> image in 4:3 ãã LF> What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????ããThread drift.. It happens often.ããNightfoxãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.comã

Re: when hobbies take a new turnã By: Ogg to Lupine Furmen on Fri Sep 24 2021 07:33:00ããThis whole thing actually reminds me that I really need to find the time toãhook up my USB turntable and start getting my records all converted to digitalãwhile they are still playable.ã-+-ããLupine Furmenã-Dallas Vinsonã Furmens Folly (FIDO 1:123/257) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23ã SSH: furmenservices.net:23222ã Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232ã Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322ãããDallasãã... I only touch base with reality on an as-needed basis!ãã---ã þ Synchronet þ Furmen's Folly - furmenservices.net:23ã

Hello Lupine Furmen!ãã** On Friday 24.09.21 - 13:30, Lupine Furmen wrote to Ogg:ãã LF> This whole thing actually reminds me that I really need toã LF> find the time to hook up my USB turntable and startã LF> getting my records all converted to digital while they areã LF> still playable. -+-ããAnd there can be some great rewards after that. Some CD or ãstreaming versions are not like the original LP releases.ããOne of the tracks on, Chris de Burgh's Spanish Train and Other ãStories LP features a longer ending and a special effect near ãthe end. That ending is not found on alternate media.ããA friend of mine noticed the ommission too and said, "Chris deãBurgh's " A Spaceman Came Travelling" has a neatãinstrumental after a pause at the end of the track that is onãthe LP but is missing from the CD. It always annoyed me veryãmuch because I thought is was key to the song."ããWednesday's, Last Kiss, the harmonies sound very different on ãthe 45 RPM version which I have compared to the Spotify ãversion.ããOf my 1100 LPs, a few dozen are surely unique and not found on ãalternative media. It would be cool to have some of them ãdigital so that they could be more portable and be able to que ãthem up at a whim of the moment.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Ogg wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-ãã Og> And there can be some great rewards after that. Some CD orã Og> streaming versions are not like the original LP releases.ãã Og> One of the tracks on, Chris de Burgh's Spanish Train and Otherã Og> Stories LP features a longer ending and a special effect nearã Og> the end. That ending is not found on alternate media.ããPaul Weller's debut solo CD has a "vignette" between two of the tracks ãthat's the sound of a needle hitting the parking track, the resonation of ãsomeone lifting a turntable's dust cover, taking the needle off, flipping ãthe record, placing the needle back on the record and closing the dust ãcover. I'd taped the CD to listen in my car and thought I'd been really ãsloppy recording it!ããããã... DESQview/386 - the only way to multitask!ã--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.ã

Hello JIMMY ANDERSON!ãã** On Monday 20.09.21 - 22:42, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to OGG:ãã OG>> Should the day arrive when a certain recording wouldã OG>> nolonger be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* Iã OG>> could dig out my original and make a copy of that.ãã JA> Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (thatã JA> was a single release) is available everywhere, but theã JA> album? Nope!ãã JA> Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes andã JA> you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get itã JA> transferred over... :-)ããInteresting. One song, available. But not the rest of the ãalbum.ããWho knows what barganing goes on in arranging the licensing.ããA few CD copies for sale on discogs, but they're not cheap! ãMeanwhile, all the tunes are obtainable to purchase as MP3s.ããI really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25 ãYears Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly on ãSpotify) ..but by the time I went to give it a shot, it was ãnolonger available to stream.ããSame story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.ãã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Brian Rogers!ãã** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 00:47, Brian Rogers wrote to Digital Man:ãã BR> I've found over the years that almost everything involvedã BR> with a conventional record can affect the sound qualityã BR> [...]ãã BR> [...] Then you have stylus and cartridge... both of whichã BR> lose tone with age.ããI thought it was just the stylus that would wear out. But ãbecause of the cost, it's just as easy to get a whole new ãcartrige+stylus combined.ããã BR> Last but not least, the quality of the preamp which is theã BR> final link in the audio chain. A better preamp typicallyã BR> will have better audio. [...]ããI've been pretty happy with generic consumer hi-fi AM/FM/ ãReceiver amp combos. I'm impressed with people's systems that ãhave dedicated amps for just for LP/CD use, but my listening ãspaces have been relatively small over the years (mostly ãapartments) so the difference in sound with a audiophile ãquality amp vs a receiver would not be much.ããã--- OpenXP 5.0.50ã * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)ã þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTPã

Hello Ogg;ãã-=> Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-ãã Og> I thought it was just the stylus that would wear out. Butã Og> because of the cost, it's just as easy to get a whole newã Og> cartrige+stylus combined.ããCartridges also wear with age and usage... however the ear tends not to noticeãthe degredation of sound as much as you would with a worn stylus. Typicallyãyou should change your cartridge every 5th or so stylus change. The newerãones may get you better milage :)ãã Og> I've been pretty happy with generic consumer hi-fi AM/FM/ã Og> Receiver amp combos. I'm impressed with people's systems thatã Og> have dedicated amps for just for LP/CD use, but my listeningã Og> spaces have been relatively small over the years (mostlyã Og> apartments) so the difference in sound with a audiophileã Og> quality amp vs a receiver would not be much.ããI'm a bit impressed with the modern stuff tbh. I have an inexpensive soundbarãsystem with 4" subwoofer and it sounds pretty nice for what it is. If Samsungãdidn't block the FM receiver in the phones I could link it with bluetooth forãradio listening... but I can also use the various streaming apps. Still thoughãnothing like old school audiophile stuff. Bass is more natural sounding thanãelectronically generated sound.ãã... Books: "Vacation Spot in the Tropics"....by Sandy Beechã--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ SBBS - Carnage! Hartford, CT bbs.n1uro.com:2300ã

OGG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-ãã JA> Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (thatã JA> was a single release) is available everywhere, but theã JA> album? Nope!ãã JA> Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes andã JA> you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get itã JA> transferred over... :-)ãã OG> Interesting. One song, available. But not the rest of theã OG> album.ãã OG> Who knows what barganing goes on in arranging the licensing.ãã OG> A few CD copies for sale on discogs, but they're not cheap!ã OG> Meanwhile, all the tunes are obtainable to purchase as MP3s.ããOkay - you prompted me to look there - yeah, not cheap, but I didãsome other looking...ããhttps://mozaart.com/en/r/maple-street-memories-the-statler-brothersããI'm currently listening while typing this reply and cookingãsupper. :-) ãã OG> I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25ã OG> Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly onã OG> Spotify) ..but by the time I went to give it a shot, it wasã OG> nolonger available to stream.ãã OG> Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.ããMight check the site I link above? I did a search but didn'tãfind it...ããAnd where are the MP3's available for Maple Street Memories? I ãWILL be adding that to my collection!!!ãããããããã... I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.ã--- MultiMail/Mac v0.52ã þ wcQWK 8.0 ÷ Omicron Theta * Horn Lake, MS * winserver.orgã

Jimmy,ãã JA> I'm currently listening while typing this reply and cookingã JA> supper. :-)ãã A true multi-tasker. <G>ãã JA> ... I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.ãã My, aren't we the impatient one?? <G>ããDarylãã... Ah'm Legorn of Borg. Prepare, Ah Say, Prepare to be assimilated, son.ã--- MultiMail/Win v0.52ã þ Synchronet þ The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansasã

Hello JIMMY ANDERSON!ãã** On Thursday 14.10.21 - 16:50, JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to OGG:ãã JA> https://mozaart.com/en/r/maple-street-memories-the-ã JA> statler-brothersããmozzart.com is a clever implementation of the "free" youtube ãfiles wrapped into a dedicated music player/database with ãplaylist capability. But the youtube audio doesn't exceed ã128kbps; probably good enough for the "good enough" listener.ããã OG>> I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25ã OG>> Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly..ãã OG>> Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.ãã JA> Might check the site I link above? I did a search but didn'tã JA> find it...ããThey would be foolish to allow it "free" on YT and not on ãSpotify.ããã JA> And where are the MP3's available for Maple Street Memories? Iã JA> WILL be adding that to my collection!!!ããBut your mozaart/YT find for Maple Street Memories is ãinteresting. It seems that one collection of tunes has slipped ãthe producer's radar.ããã
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